SC scotches latest conservative bid to steal elections.

[kallend 2,175]

Unanimous decision:

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-rejects-conservative-bid-to-count-only-eligible-voters-for-districts/2016/04/04/67393e52-fa6f-11e5-9140-e61d062438bb_story.html

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

Yes it was
and you took the bait



http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/04/05/supreme-court-justices-leave-open-reconsidering-one-person-one-vote/

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Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote the opinion of the Court for six justices, including all the liberal justices, plus moderate Justice Anthony Kennedy and moderate-conservative Chief Justice John Roberts.

Even this liberal-dominated block explicitly held that it was not closing the door on the possibility that the Constitution would allow some basis other than total population. The challengers were only arguing that the Constitution required the basis of citizenship or voter eligibility, and the majority held that the Constitution does not definitely require those approaches.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,600]

I think even Scalia would have had trouble voting any other way. The original Constitution, with its 3/5 law for slaves, certainly didn't pay any attention to where those slaves were from. And when it was written, a large percentage still were just "imported" from Africa.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

I think even Scalia would have had trouble voting any other way. The original Constitution, with its 3/5 law for slaves, certainly didn't pay any attention to where those slaves were from. And when it was written, a large percentage still were just "imported" from Africa.

Wendy P.

Wendy
sorry you still do not understand the 3/5 of a person issue.
(you do know that was put in there by the north to try and end slavery, correct?)

It is sad our education system fails us this way
Anywa
And read the article

A good conversation was happening with the justices.
It was kallends subject line that was bull shit

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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and you took the bait

The bait?

What the fuck are you talking about? You think somebody took a case all the way to the Supreme Court in such a way that they could bait an opponent with the decision by the SC? Are you on drugs?

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

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and you took the bait

The bait?

What the fuck are you talking about? You think somebody took a case all the way to the Supreme Court in such a way that they could bait an opponent with the decision by the SC? Are you on drugs?

kallend ran with the liberal twist on the ruling

Are you on drugs?
wow!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,175]

SkyDekker

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and you took the bait

The bait?

What the fuck are you talking about? You think somebody took a case all the way to the Supreme Court in such a way that they could bait an opponent with the decision by the SC? Are you on drugs?

All explained.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[normiss 905]

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It is sad our education system fails us this way
Anywa
And read the article

Is it ever.

[rushmc 23]

normiss

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It is sad our education system fails us this way
Anywa
And read the article

Is it ever.

Ya
I am sure you believe the lefts version of the 3/5s bull shit too

Very sad

But that is what we get when people feel instead of think

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,600]

I read it until the popup came. I'm sorry you think the education system has failed me, simply because I disagree with you (and Breitbart). But hey, look at the upside -- going to school in a third world country at least didn't prevent me from learning how to spell and compose sentences.

No, the SC did not quash all possible dissent; remember that with only eight justices they are trying to decide narrowly. Even the justice you probably consider to be the only "true conservative" (Thomas) was on the same side, although he didn't sign the opinion.

After all, the US justice system allows anyone to bring a case about anything, remember? Just as those stalwart defenders of "the American Way" can, so can those poor low-life losers who sue over stupid shit like equal pay, equal treatment by police, access to legal help, medical malpractice, and all that other stuff that just throws a wrench in a fine-tuned business machine.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[wmw999 2,600]

IIRC, the south wanted the entire slave counted. Please enlighten me about what right-thinking America now considers to be true history?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[normiss 905]

As expected, complete WHOOSH.

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

IIRC, the south wanted the entire slave counted. Please enlighten me about what right-thinking America now considers to be true history?

Wendy P.

the north did not want the slaves counted because it gave the south more power by the number

The north did not want to count them at all

so, in an attempt to get the south to come along the north offered the 3/5s of a person count

The south accepted this because they believed that the south would grow the fastest and then therefore have the power they needed to keep more of their reps in office to maintain slavery.

But this did not happen
The north grew faster and then were able to get more reps in congress and that is when the votes started to end slavery and history was made

Wendy
It is not about agreeing with anyone
It is about knowing history

the left has distorted this story so as to make it look like the Dems ended slavery. Which is NOT the case

So, if I am wrong, WHY would the south want to count every entire slave? If what I posted is not correct, what would that gain the south?

If you don't know, pick your own site to learn about it

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#safe=active&q=the+reason+for+the+3%2F5s+slave+count

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

normiss

As expected, complete WHOOSH.

If you think I missed the missing "y", the whoosh is on you



As expected
as you like to say

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 905]

When a person attempts to insult another person's lack of intelligence and in doing so reveals their own, is it really an insult as was intended?
Nope. It's a fucking laughable embarrassment.
You seem rather skilled in this area.
Whoosh indeed.

[rushmc 23]

normiss

When a person attempts to insult another person's lack of intelligence and in doing so reveals their own, is it really an insult as was intended?
Nope. It's a fucking laughable embarrassment.
You seem rather skilled in this area.
Whoosh indeed.

Now you make a false claim

Being uneducated is not the same as lacking intelligence

And as one who get attacked by the likes of you here and very often the laughable embarrassment is yours alone

Enjoy

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,600]

I wasn't trying to make a point about how slavery ended. I was trying to make a point about how if the precedent in the Constitution is that non-citizens (and specifically-enumerated ones) are counted in representation, then it's unlikely that an Originalist (like Scalia) will say that the Founders' thought process didn't include non-citizens.

The opinion did leave the possibility of trying different ways to count people. Generally the only reason to play with how people are counted in districts is to gerrymander, just as school districts play with student counts for funding, and businesses use "contractors" to avoid paying unemployment and insurance.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

I wasn't trying to make a point about how slavery ended. I was trying to make a point about how if the precedent in the Constitution is that non-citizens (and specifically-enumerated ones) are counted in representation, then it's unlikely that an Originalist (like Scalia) will say that the Founders' thought process didn't include non-citizens.

The opinion did leave the possibility of trying different ways to count people. Generally the only reason to play with how people are counted in districts is to gerrymander, just as school districts play with student counts for funding, and businesses use "contractors" to avoid paying unemployment and insurance.

Wendy P.

And in this case it was a tactic used to try and end slavery!
NOT to lessen the worth of a people or race as you post seemed to implied

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,600]

I wasn't making a point about slavery. One fact can have more than one application. If the original southern-proposed rule of counting slaves had stood, my point about its being a precedent for counting non-citizens and foreign-born people for voting districts would still be valid. Because I wasn't talking about slavery, I was talking about how the Constitution talked about counting people for representation.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

I wasn't making a point about slavery. One fact can have more than one application. If the original southern-proposed rule of counting slaves had stood, my point about its being a precedent for counting non-citizens and foreign-born people for voting districts would still be valid. Because I wasn't talking about slavery, I was talking about how the Constitution talked about counting people for representation.

Wendy P.

Ok
then as the justices stated
The SC has yet to decide if counting should be everyone or just citizens
And they left open that fact
They only ruled on the narrow suit brought to them and that is what they agreed on

Not kallends assertion made in the bs subject line

None the less
Your use of the 3/5s of a person is still off based on its origin

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,609]

rushmc

***I wasn't trying to make a point about how slavery ended. I was trying to make a point about how if the precedent in the Constitution is that non-citizens (and specifically-enumerated ones) are counted in representation, then it's unlikely that an Originalist (like Scalia) will say that the Founders' thought process didn't include non-citizens.

The opinion did leave the possibility of trying different ways to count people. Generally the only reason to play with how people are counted in districts is to gerrymander, just as school districts play with student counts for funding, and businesses use "contractors" to avoid paying unemployment and insurance.

Wendy P.

And in this case it was a tactic used to try and end slavery!
NOT to lessen the worth of a people or race as you post seemed to implied

Good lord Rush, you never do miss an opportunity to display your unique blend of arrogance and stupidity, do you?

If you would just learn to read you would see that Wendy did not state any interpretation of the motivations behind the 3/5 clause, she simply stated its existence and consequences. You are not arguing against her, you are arguing against a position that you invented in your own head and then ascribed to her - presumably for no other reason than it being too long since you'd behaved like a total prick to someone and you needed to relieve the back pressure of bullshit you'd been building up.

After more than a decade of your babbling nonsense on this site it's probably too late for anything to change but if you had any sense of decency it'd be nice if you could choose to either learn how to read and write English, or fuck off.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

Fuck off??



and what was the consequences of the 3/5s count related to this thread?

NOTHING dude!!!!!!!



You are funny

Glad you are not counted..........

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rehmwa 2]

jakee

You are not arguing against ___, you are arguing against a position that you invented in your own head and then ascribed to ___ -

Not to get into the current typical pissing contest - but as an aside, I think this comment can be cut and pasted for 90% of the posts on Speaker's Corner

You've been on a roll with witty diatribes. quality material.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[jakee 1,609]

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NOTHING

Or to put it another way, something

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

jakee

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NOTHING

Or to put it another way, something

I just re-read her post

This case has nothing to do with the 3/5s of a person.
Period.

The 3/5s of a person issue was used to determine how many reps a state got. Not how the states districts were drawn.

Now you and rehmwa go play.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln