jakee 1,599 #51 April 1, 2016 turtlespeed****** I know I know, you don't think people should follow the laws if you don't agree with them. So you clearly agree that women should be punished for having an abortion if abortions were illegal. What should the punishment be in your opinion? I simply agree that women should be held accountable IF abortions become illegal and the woman is convicted in a court of law. Who do you agree with? Because it's not Donald Trump, he clearly disagrees with you; "If Congress were to pass legislation making abortion illegal and the federal courts upheld this legislation, or any state were permitted to ban abortion under state and federal law, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman. The woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb." QuoteWhy don't you want people to follow the law? Why doesn't Trump want people to follow the law?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 900 #52 April 1, 2016 Seems to depends on the law and the perspective of who's breaking it. Trump seems to support breaking a LOT of laws. Then denying it. Then flipping position again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #53 April 1, 2016 jakee********* I know I know, you don't think people should follow the laws if you don't agree with them. So you clearly agree that women should be punished for having an abortion if abortions were illegal. What should the punishment be in your opinion? I simply agree that women should be held accountable IF abortions become illegal and the woman is convicted in a court of law. Who do you agree with? Because it's not Donald Trump, he clearly disagrees with you; "If Congress were to pass legislation making abortion illegal and the federal courts upheld this legislation, or any state were permitted to ban abortion under state and federal law, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman. The woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb." QuoteWhy don't you want people to follow the law? Why doesn't Trump want people to follow the law? Aggravated Assault is a crime - If I pay you to commit aggravated assault, it is just as illegal as committing the crime myself. It could be listed under the felony murder rule as well. I NEVER said I WHOLLY agree with Trump -I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,599 #54 April 1, 2016 Quote It could be listed under the felony murder rule as well. Abortion? Should it? Quote I NEVER said I WHOLLY agree with Trump On this you disagree with him. You also disagree with the republican party, the democratic party, the pro-choice movement, the undecideds, and most of the pro-life movement too. But you've got your mini-me rushmc onside, so that's something.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #55 April 1, 2016 jakee Quote It could be listed under the felony murder rule as well. Abortion? Should it? Quote I NEVER said I WHOLLY agree with Trump On this you disagree with him. You also disagree with the republican party, the democratic party, the pro-choice movement, the undecideds, and most of the pro-life movement too. But you've got your mini-me rushmc onside, so that's something. You do know the difference between could and should, so, I'll say that the statements stand. Asked and answered counselor.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,470 #56 April 1, 2016 Hi turtle, QuoteIt could be listed under the felony murder rule as well. It could be a lot things; but it is not. These would be state laws not federal laws. It depends upon on the law in the state in which it occurred. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,599 #57 April 1, 2016 QuoteYou do know the difference between could and should, Yeah, that's why I'm asking a follow up question. Quoteso, I'll say that the statements stand. I'm not saying it doesn't stand, I'm asking a follow up question. QuoteAsked and answered counselor. When? In what post did you answer the question 'should it'?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,159 #58 April 1, 2016 jakee********* I know I know, you don't think people should follow the laws if you don't agree with them. So you clearly agree that women should be punished for having an abortion if abortions were illegal. What should the punishment be in your opinion? I simply agree that women should be held accountable IF abortions become illegal and the woman is convicted in a court of law. Who do you agree with? Because it's not Donald Trump, he clearly disagrees with you; "If Congress were to pass legislation making abortion illegal and the federal courts upheld this legislation, or any state were permitted to ban abortion under state and federal law, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman. The woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb." QuoteWhy don't you want people to follow the law? Why doesn't Trump want people to follow the law? The reptile (Turtle, not Trump) is quite consistent. He has stated very clearly that he considers abortion to be murder. www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4775179#4775179 That being the case, seeking an abortion is the same as solicitation to murder and has a severe penalty.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #59 April 2, 2016 kallend************ I know I know, you don't think people should follow the laws if you don't agree with them. So you clearly agree that women should be punished for having an abortion if abortions were illegal. What should the punishment be in your opinion? I simply agree that women should be held accountable IF abortions become illegal and the woman is convicted in a court of law. Who do you agree with? Because it's not Donald Trump, he clearly disagrees with you; "If Congress were to pass legislation making abortion illegal and the federal courts upheld this legislation, or any state were permitted to ban abortion under state and federal law, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman. The woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb." QuoteWhy don't you want people to follow the law? Why doesn't Trump want people to follow the law? The reptile (Turtle, not Trump) is quite consistent. He has stated very clearly that he considers abortion to be murder. www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4775179#4775179 That being the case, seeking an abortion is the same as solicitation to murder and has a severe penalty. True! However - what I think has nothing to do with circumstances. IF - it were illegal, then I would hope the authorities would do their job.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,599 #60 April 2, 2016 QuoteIF - it were illegal, then I would hope the authorities would do their job. If it were illegal then the first thing for the authorities to do woud be to classify how it is ilegal. so, should it be listed under felony murder?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #61 April 2, 2016 jakeeQuoteIF - it were illegal, then I would hope the authorities would do their job. If it were illegal then the first thing for the authorities to do woud be to classify how it is ilegal. so, should it be listed under felony murder? Yes.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,599 #62 April 2, 2016 turtlespeed***QuoteIF - it were illegal, then I would hope the authorities would do their job. If it were illegal then the first thing for the authorities to do woud be to classify how it is ilegal. so, should it be listed under felony murder? Yes. Then in states that have the death penalty women who have an abortion could be executed?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 900 #63 April 2, 2016 Due to felony murder, yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,159 #64 April 3, 2016 turtlespeed***QuoteIF - it were illegal, then I would hope the authorities would do their job. If it were illegal then the first thing for the authorities to do woud be to classify how it is ilegal. so, should it be listed under felony murder? Yes. Maybe you should export some of that intellectual honesty to the GOP establishment. www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/04/trumps_abortion_gaffe_highligh.html... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,470 #65 April 3, 2016 Hi John, Quotethe GOP establishment This is, one of many, reasons why I do not vote for any Republican. Once they join the modern world, they might just get my vote. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #66 April 3, 2016 kallend The reptile (Turtle, not Trump) is quite consistent. He has stated very clearly that he considers abortion to be murder. www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4775179#4775179 That being the case, seeking an abortion is the same as solicitation to murder and has a severe penalty. Charles Manson is serving life in prison for only soliciting murder, and he wasn't even present when it occurred."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,159 #67 April 3, 2016 The Independent tells it like it is: www.independent.co.uk/voices/this-could-be-the-end-for-donald-trump-a6966136.html... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #68 April 3, 2016 kallend The Independent tells it like it is: www.independent.co.uk/voices/this-could-be-the-end-for-donald-trump-a6966136.html We'll see. A. C. Neilsen made his mark by checking the actual buying habits of consumers, rather than taking their word for it. It seems that, if you asked whether a person used Palmolive (a pedestrian soap) or Lux (an upscale soap), people tended to say Lux. When it came time to BUY, however, the sales of Palmolive outstripped Lux by a long shot. Thus, even though people have said (again) that what McDonald has said in public is VERY BAD, they may still vote for him. Given what I have seen people vote into office so far, I should be beyond the horror with which I am possessed as this campaign season unfolds. Sanders is likable but clueless. The rest of the field is beneath contempt, each for their own disgusting set of reasons. The fact that this is the best we can do suggests that we may as well throw in the towel. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,159 #69 April 4, 2016 The Donald is Determined... to increase the deficit: taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-donald-trump-s-tax-plan... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 900 #70 April 7, 2016 Seems the Drumpf family is feeling the burn. I guess we just have to trust that he will fix those China issues when he's elected. Sorry, I couldn't even type that with a straight face. He's a complete shyster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
