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rushmc

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Since Trump speak is bad Obama speak should be too?

That has got the be the most Tarzan sentence you've ever written.

Answer the question

Use English in your question. What the fuck is Trump speak and what is Obama speak?

[billvon 3,116]

>Answer the question

Trump speak bad no reason Obama should be speak bad.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>Answer the question

Trump speak bad no reason Obama should be speak bad.

But he already did

But at least your double standard is out there for all to see.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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rushmc

***>Answer the question

Trump speak bad no reason Obama should be speak bad.

But he already did

But at least your double standard is out there for all to see.

The only thing "out there for all to see" is you proving that your reading skills are on par with your writing skills.

Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana

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rushmc

***>Answer the question

Trump speak bad no reason Obama should be speak bad.

But he already did

But at least your double standard is out there for all to see.

Uhm no.

You making absolutely no sense is what is out there for all to see.

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AAARRRRRGH!

Please - PLEASE - P L E A S E !!!!

It is SITE - not Sight.

It makes my noodle hurt.

Thank you, I've been wanting to say that for a long time. But I'm too liberal!

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[DanG 1]

I pointed it out to Marc a few times. It won't stick.

- Dan G

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DanG

I pointed it out to Marc a few times. It won't stick.

And it isn't his fault, just the fault of the education system at the time.

But other than that, people need to take responsibility for themselves.

[wmw999 2,588]

Charles Krauthammer on the topic (I think this is a really good editorial)
I got this from the Houston Chronicle; I believe it's under copyright protection.

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The campaign menace awakens future danger
Charles Krauthammer says both supporters and foes of Trump bear responsibility for heightening chance of violence in White House race.
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WASHINGTON — By international and historical standards, political violence is exceedingly rare in the United States. The last serious outburst was 1968 with its bloody Democratic Convention riots. By that standard, 2016 is, as yet, tame. It may not remain so.

The political thuggery that shut down a Donald Trump rally in Chicago last week may just be a harbinger. It would be nice, therefore, if we could think straight about cause and effect.

The immediate conventional wisdom was to blame the disturbance on the “toxic climate” created by Trump. Nonsense. This was an act of deliberate sabotage created by a totalitarian left that specializes in the intimidation and silencing of political opponents.

Its pedigree goes back to early 20th-century fascism and communism. Its more recent incarnation has been developed on college campuses, where for years leftists have been taunting, disrupting and ultimately shutting down and shutting out conservative speakers of every stripe — long before Trump.

The Chicago shutdown was a planned attack on free speech and free assembly. Hence the exultant chant of the protesters upon the announcement of the rally’s cancellation: “We stopped Trump.” It had all of the spontaneity of a beer hall putsch.

Given the people, the money and the groups (including MoveOn.org) behind Chicago, it is likely to be replicated, constituting a serious threat to civilized politics. But there’s a second, quite separate form of thuggery threatening the 2016 campaign — a leading candidate who, with a wink and a nod (and sometimes less subtlety), is stoking anger and encouraging violence.

This must be distinguished from what happened in Chicago, where Trump was the victim and for which he is not responsible. But he is responsible for saying of a protester at his rally in Las Vegas that “I love the old days. You know what they used to do to guys like that … ? They’d be carried out on a stretcher, folks.”

He told another rally that if they see any protesters preparing to throw a tomato, to “knock the crap out of them … I promise you I will pay for the legal fees.” Referring in an interview to yet another protester, Trump said “maybe he should have been roughed up.”

At the Vegas event, Trump had said, “I’d like to punch him in the face.” Well, in Fayetteville, N.C., one of his supporters did that for him — sucker-punching in the face a protester being led away. The attacker is being charged with assault.

Trump is not responsible for the assault. But he is responsible for refusing to condemn it. Asked about it, he dodged and weaved, searching for extenuation.

“The man got carried away.” So what? If people who get carried away are allowed to sucker-punch others, we’d be living in a jungle.

Trump said it was obvious the cold-cocker “obviously loves his country.” What is it about punching a demonstrator in the face that makes evident one’s patriotism? Particularly when the attacker said on television, “Next time we see him, we might have to kill him.”

Whoa! That’s lynch talk. And rather than condemn that man, Trump said he would be instructing his people to look into paying his legal fees.

This from the leader of the now strongest faction in the Republican Party, the man most likely to be the GOP nominee for president.

And who, when asked Wednesday about the possibility of being denied the nomination at the convention if he’s way ahead in delegates but just short of a majority, said: “I think you’d have riots. I wouldn’t lead it but I think bad things would happen.”

Is that incitement to riot? Legally, no. But you’d have to be a fool to miss the underlying implication.

There’s an air of division in the country. Fine. It’s happened often in our history. Indeed, the whole point of politics is to identify, highlight, argue and ultimately adjudicate and accommodate such divisions. Politics is the civilized substitute for settling things the old-fashioned way — laying your opponent out on a stretcher.

What is so disturbing today is that suffusing our politics is not just an air of division but an air of menace. It’s being fueled on both sides: one side through organized anti-free speech agitation using Bolshevik tactics; the other side by verbal encouragement and threats of varying degrees of subtlety.

They may feed off each other but they are of independent origin. And both are repugnant, both dangerous and both deserving of the most unreserved condemnation.

Charles Krauthammer’s email address is letters@charleskrauthammer.com.

Wendy P

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

For a guy who really does not like Trump, I would agree with you and say he got it right for the most part.

There were a few big points in his article. The following being one of the biggest.

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The immediate conventional wisdom was to blame the disturbance on the “toxic climate” created by Trump. Nonsense. This was an act of deliberate sabotage created by a totalitarian left that specializes in the intimidation and silencing of political opponents.

Its pedigree goes back to early 20th-century fascism and communism. Its more recent incarnation has been developed on college campuses, where for years leftists have been taunting, disrupting and ultimately shutting down and shutting out conservative speakers of every stripe — long before Trump.

This is also one of the biggest points.

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Trump is not responsible for the assault. But he is responsible for refusing to condemn it.

Hopefully more here will look at what is going on as you do.

I doubt Bill or Sky will but that is the way it is.

thanks Wendy
I think Charles spells it out pretty well

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

DanG

I pointed it out to Marc a few times. It won't stick.

MEH

I bounce back and forth

Not sure why that one gives me problems


But it does.....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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rushmc

For a guy who really does not like Trump, I would agree with you and say he got it right for the most part.

There were a few big points in his article. The following being one of the biggest.

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The immediate conventional wisdom was to blame the disturbance on the “toxic climate” created by Trump. Nonsense. This was an act of deliberate sabotage created by a totalitarian left that specializes in the intimidation and silencing of political opponents.

Its pedigree goes back to early 20th-century fascism and communism. Its more recent incarnation has been developed on college campuses, where for years leftists have been taunting, disrupting and ultimately shutting down and shutting out conservative speakers of every stripe — long before Trump.

This is also one of the biggest points.

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Trump is not responsible for the assault. But he is responsible for refusing to condemn it.

Hopefully more here will look at what is going on as you do.

I doubt Bill or Sky will but that is the way it is.

thanks Wendy
I think Charles spells it out pretty well

Actually, without needing to cherry pick points, I agree with his full editorial. Lots of blame to go around.

Like Coreece you are attributing a position to me that I have never stated.

[ryoder 1,590]

I only recently learned a couple interesting things about Krauthammer:
- He is a paraplegic due to a diving injury during his first year in medical school.
- He graduated Harvard Medical School and is a board certified psychiatrist.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

***For a guy who really does not like Trump, I would agree with you and say he got it right for the most part.

There were a few big points in his article. The following being one of the biggest.

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The immediate conventional wisdom was to blame the disturbance on the “toxic climate” created by Trump. Nonsense. This was an act of deliberate sabotage created by a totalitarian left that specializes in the intimidation and silencing of political opponents.

Its pedigree goes back to early 20th-century fascism and communism. Its more recent incarnation has been developed on college campuses, where for years leftists have been taunting, disrupting and ultimately shutting down and shutting out conservative speakers of every stripe — long before Trump.

This is also one of the biggest points.

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Trump is not responsible for the assault. But he is responsible for refusing to condemn it.

Hopefully more here will look at what is going on as you do.

I doubt Bill or Sky will but that is the way it is.

thanks Wendy
I think Charles spells it out pretty well

Actually, without needing to cherry pick points, I agree with his full editorial. Lots of blame to go around.

Like Coreece you are attributing a position to me that I have never stated.

you are most likely correct
That cant be said for Bill however

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Krauthamster nails it.

the fringies will all agree with selected halves of that article and condemn the rest - let's see who goes that route

I only suspect a handful of the forum regulars will. Most have great reason.

This election is bringing together just as many people as it is dividing.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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Its pedigree goes back to early 20th-century fascism and communism. Its more recent incarnation has been developed on college campuses, where for years leftists have been taunting, disrupting and ultimately shutting down and shutting out conservative speakers of every stripe — long before Trump.

I am surprised you agree with this part.
I mean, you know this is being driven by the teachers on said campuses, right?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,588]

Kids need opportunities to do stupid shit. Really. Some people learn best from their own mistakes. And, sometimes, conventional wisdom isn't really that wise.

I disagree with students disallowing speakers; they should get to choose commencement speakers for their own class (i.e. if the university just chooses the speaker willy-nilly, that's not very representative of the class, is it?). But there are lots of other things I disagree with that have far more consequences in the real world.

But I'd much rather they have the opportunity to practice their freedom, and learn the interface between that and politeness, than to suppress them. And, well, what passes for culture and norms does change with the generations. Colleges are stewpots/cesspools/incubators for a lot of those changes.

Where else but college would we get the brilliance that is Facebook

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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wmw999

Kids need opportunities to do stupid shit. Really. Some people learn best from their own mistakes. And, sometimes, conventional wisdom isn't really that wise.

I disagree with students disallowing speakers; they should get to choose commencement speakers for their own class (i.e. if the university just chooses the speaker willy-nilly, that's not very representative of the class, is it?). But there are lots of other things I disagree with that have far more consequences in the real world.

But I'd much rather they have the opportunity to practice their freedom, and learn the interface between that and politeness, than to suppress them. And, well, what passes for culture and norms does change with the generations. Colleges are stewpots/cesspools/incubators for a lot of those changes.

Where else but college would we get the brilliance that is Facebook

Wendy P.

Practicing their so called freedoms does not mean shutting down those with whom they disagree!

Which was Charles point

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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rushmc

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Its pedigree goes back to early 20th-century fascism and communism. Its more recent incarnation has been developed on college campuses, where for years leftists have been taunting, disrupting and ultimately shutting down and shutting out conservative speakers of every stripe — long before Trump.

I am surprised you agree with this part.
I mean, you know this is being driven by the teachers on said campuses, right?

Some teachers yes.

Like some teachers are members of KKK. And some teachers think muslims need to get banned. And some teachers think evolution should not be taught. Some teachers smoke dope and some teachers are great.

Should we just not have teachers?

I don't agree with much what happens in University politics. Most kids, once they grow up, see the same thing.

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Practicing their so called freedoms does not mean shutting down those with whom they disagree!

So all Muslims, even American citizens, should not be banned from the US?

You keep flip flopping on positions.

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SkyDekker

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Practicing their so called freedoms does not mean shutting down those with whom they disagree!

So all Muslims, even American citizens, should not be banned from the US?

You keep flip flopping on positions.

Huh?

Now you are doing it too?

And you just bitched about it in the other thread.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,116]

Good editorial overall. I disagree with some of the details, but agree on the overall message - that we are creating a downright toxic environment, and that Trump's condoning and encouraging of violence is just the most visible part of the iceberg.

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SkyDekker

***For a guy who really does not like Trump, I would agree with you and say he got it right for the most part.

There were a few big points in his article. The following being one of the biggest.

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The immediate conventional wisdom was to blame the disturbance on the “toxic climate” created by Trump. Nonsense. This was an act of deliberate sabotage created by a totalitarian left that specializes in the intimidation and silencing of political opponents.

Its pedigree goes back to early 20th-century fascism and communism. Its more recent incarnation has been developed on college campuses, where for years leftists have been taunting, disrupting and ultimately shutting down and shutting out conservative speakers of every stripe — long before Trump.

This is also one of the biggest points.

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Trump is not responsible for the assault. But he is responsible for refusing to condemn it.

Hopefully more here will look at what is going on as you do.

I doubt Bill or Sky will but that is the way it is.

thanks Wendy
I think Charles spells it out pretty well

Actually, without needing to cherry pick points, I agree with his full editorial. Lots of blame to go around.

Like Coreece you are attributing a position to me that I have never stated.

That's just what you want us to believe.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[rushmc 23]

Notice no one has stepped up to take the bet I offered?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

billvon

Good editorial overall. I disagree with some of the details, but agree on the overall message - that we are creating a downright toxic environment, and that Trump's condoning and encouraging of violence is just the most visible part of the iceberg.

This is an interesting twist on his piece

Wow

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln