turtlespeed 226 #26 March 6, 2016 Bolas***I'm with Bolas in the philosophy of it. In practice - it really is a question of whether we've reached that point enough to let it work - isolated anecdotes are crappy examples pro or con to it though. philosophy is one thing. Application is everything. Considering the rise of micro aggressions and trigger warnings on college campuses we're past the point. In reality, racism basically died long ago, what we have today is mostly classism. As much as I would like to agree with you Randy, It's simply not true. Come with me to Beaumont, or Jasper, Texas and see what's up. Then, let's go to the more prominent neighborhoods in Altlanta and Birmingham. Then we can go to some places in South Carolina, Montana, Oregon, just about everywhere. Detroit, Chicago, Des Moines, New York . . . I agree that there has been great strides, but it is still going to take time for the old engrained teachings and habits to be overcome, even as I say they can never be completely irradicated. I have seen more racism, surprisingly, coming from England as well. I thought England was supposed to be extra non-racist. Racism is alive and well in what people call "reverse Racism" where the black community and other minorities hate Whitey still. It seems that it s a never ending ball of shit that is rolling down hill and picks up as much trash as it sheds on the way down. Bottom line is there will be racism until there are no differences between peoples.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,275 #27 March 6, 2016 QuoteBottom line is there will be racism until there are no differences between peoples. Absolutely. Racism is just a more extreme form of tribalism. We all identify more closely with people who are more like us. White people are not more racist than others. It's up to each of us to be aware of our own prejudices and counter them as well as we can. It's also up to each of us to protect and advance our own clan. Or we would be extinct. At the very least we should all work against organized and government sponsored racism. First the overt laws, which have largely been taken care of. Then the more subtle things like the abuse of the "war on drugs" and preventing "voter fraud". And lastly against racism our own innate actions. In the modern world we all need to expand the definition of just who is part of our tribes.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #28 March 6, 2016 gowlerk At the very least we should all work against organized and government sponsored racism. Like bussing and affirmative action.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,275 #29 March 6, 2016 turtlespeed*** At the very least we should all work against organized and government sponsored racism. Like bussing and affirmative action. Those programs are and were extreme remedies to even more extreme racism. They are both flawed, but were both justified. And both are now gone or on their way out.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #30 March 6, 2016 Let's be blunt: If one were to only change the race of a thug or gang banger but the attitude and mentality was the same, they'd still be a scary individual. If one were to change the race of an illegal immigrant, they'd still be illegal. You could come up with all sorts of other "undesirable" lower class stereotypes: the common thread of all being socioeconomic, not race. We don't really have a racial issue in this country anymore, we have a socioeconomic one that impacts some races more than others due to past racism and also what was done to address it and exploit it.Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #31 March 6, 2016 BolasLet's be blunt: >>>I prefer to be sharp. If one were to only change the race of a thug or gang banger but the attitude and mentality was the same, they'd still be a scary individual. >>>I would say that you are partially right in your thinking here, but perception is reality in most cases. For Instance: If you saw a bunch of Latino gang bangers having a good time in LA - would that affect you more than witnessing the same sized group of Black Panthers doing the same? Now change that to a contingent of 1%rs (assuming you are familiar with who they are and what they represent) Which is worse? You can't honestly say that they would be equal in perceived threat - depending on what race you are when you encounter the others. If one were to change the race of an illegal immigrant, they'd still be illegal. >>>Illegal immigration is not a racial issue that I know of. You could come up with all sorts of other "undesirable" lower class stereotypes: the common thread of all being socioeconomic, not race. >>>Yet the socioeconomic make up Of the country is divided by race. It is even categorized by race. As it is a cross the entire world. Just as the descriptors and fatalities box people up in religious groups. We don't really have a racial issue in this country anymore, we have a socioeconomic one that impacts some races more than others due to past racism and also what was done to address it and exploit it. >>>I can show you many places where whiny isn't allowed to go. I can show you many places where all black or African Americans are referred to by the "N" word. I can show you where "Chink" is an accepted descriptor of the Asian folk. Racism is alive and well. It is not as prelevant as it was, but it is very alive.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #32 March 6, 2016 BolasLet's be blunt: If one were to only change the race of a thug or gang banger but the attitude and mentality was the same, they'd still be a scary individual. True. The White Supremacists are just as scary as, say MS13 or the BGD. QuoteIf one were to change the race of an illegal immigrant, they'd still be illegal. There are a lot of white illegals here in the US. Mainly eastern Europeans. Lots of the "criminal element" (think Russian Mafia). I don't hear anything about them, just the Mexicans. QuoteYou could come up with all sorts of other "undesirable" lower class stereotypes: the common thread of all being socioeconomic, not race. That simply isn't true. There are a lot of "well-to-do" minorities who get discriminated against on a regular basis. It has nothing to do with their socio-economic status, it's because of the color of their skin. QuoteWe don't really have a racial issue in this country anymore, we have a socioeconomic one that impacts some races more than others due to past racism and also what was done to address it and exploit it. Unless you've seen it, experienced it, lived it, you wouldn't understand. I live in northeast Wisconsin (near Green Bay). There is a city near here (Appleton) that, until the 60s, was a "sunset city." That meant that all black people had to be out of town by dark. It wasn't a written law, but it was very real. That attitude has changed some, but not a whole lot. My older sister married a black guy. The reaction from a lot of people when she brought him back here (before they were married) was... Interesting. There were people who acted as if they had never seen a black man before in their life. There were probably people who never had seen one "up close and in person." It's an incredibly insular community. And it's not the only place like that. It's a hell of a lot better than it was, say 40 years ago. It's no longer socially acceptable to be openly racist. So the hard-core racist folk have gone underground. At least until Trump brought them out."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #33 March 6, 2016 turtlespeed >>>I can show you many places where whiny isn't allowed to go. . I don't like whiners either.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #34 March 6, 2016 kallend*** >>>I can show you many places where whiny isn't allowed to go. . I don't like whiners either. Yet you live in Chicago. . .. I meant Whitey.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #35 March 6, 2016 turtlespeed****** >>>I can show you many places where whiny isn't allowed to go. . I don't like whiners either. Yet you live in Chicago. . .. I meant Whitey. I'm a textualist, just like Scalia. He'd say that what you WROTE is what you MEANT.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #37 March 6, 2016 normiss Freudian. Tell me about your mother.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 895 #38 March 6, 2016 She's dead, thanks for the reminder. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #39 March 7, 2016 normiss She's dead, thanks for the reminder. I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
