ryoder 1,590 #1 March 2, 2016 Long article about recent, (and current), studies of what makes a portion of an electorate favor authoritarianism: http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,468 #2 March 2, 2016 Hi Robert, Quotestudies Re: 'In South Carolina, a CBS News exit poll found that 75 percent of Republican voters supported banning Muslims from the United States. A PPP poll found that a third of Trump voters support banning gays and lesbians from the country. Twenty percent said Lincoln shouldn't have freed the slaves.' The R's are showing their true colors. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 343 #3 March 2, 2016 Isn't this a re-write? I remember reading about this kid's dissertation (cited in the article) at least a week ago. I specifically remember it because of the link to authoritarianism -- something I had not thought of before. Since then, I've listened to the candidates from this different perspective, so I've thought of it often enough that the memory of the student's paper and conclusions have stuck with me.See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus Shut Up & Jump! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #4 March 2, 2016 I just searched the name and found this brief article which I recall reading before, but I don't recall how I found it: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #5 March 2, 2016 TriGirlIsn't this a re-write? I remember reading about this kid's dissertation (cited in the article) at least a week ago. I specifically remember it because of the link to authoritarianism -- something I had not thought of before. Since then, I've listened to the candidates from this different perspective, so I've thought of it often enough that the memory of the student's paper and conclusions have stuck with me. I bet a stint in the Gulag will change his tune! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #6 March 2, 2016 What we are seeing is that a sizable fraction of the US population does not, in practice, subscribe to the values that the country advertizes as "American Values". The Donald has simply made it acceptable to be a bigot and a bully once more.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #7 March 2, 2016 ryoder I just searched the name and found this brief article which I recall reading before, but I don't recall how I found it: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533 Maybe HERE? "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #8 March 2, 2016 wolfriverjoe ***I just searched the name and found this brief article which I recall reading before, but I don't recall how I found it: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533 Maybe HERE? Hey! I'll bet that's it!"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 343 #9 March 4, 2016 kallend What we are seeing is that a sizable fraction of the US population does not, in practice, subscribe to the values that the country advertizes as "American Values". The Donald has simply made it acceptable to be a bigot and a bully once more. I heard on NPR this morning a report about how establishment Evangelicals are realizing how their particular brand of Christianity has been hijacked. Okay, that was my interpretation. It's the establishment folks who now want to be called something else, so they won't be associated with the new "Evangelicals" who are rallying behind Trump -- a bigot, bully, "divorced three times," club owner, drinker, etc. They're realizing that those new converts who are subscribing to the title actually espouse "values" counter to what the establishment E's have been preaching. Last comment in the report: the Evangelical population is realizing they're much smaller than they thought. Well, at least one good thing has come from the Trump phenomenon: establishment Evangelicals have been forced to acknowledge that some segments of their population are not what they think, and are making moves to disassociate from them.See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus Shut Up & Jump! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #10 March 4, 2016 TriGirl *** What we are seeing is that a sizable fraction of the US population does not, in practice, subscribe to the values that the country advertizes as "American Values". The Donald has simply made it acceptable to be a bigot and a bully once more. I heard on NPR this morning a report about how establishment Evangelicals are realizing how their particular brand of Christianity has been hijacked. Okay, that was my interpretation. It's the establishment folks who now want to be called something else, so they won't be associated with the new "Evangelicals" who are rallying behind Trump -- a bigot, bully, "divorced three times," club owner, drinker, etc. They're realizing that those new converts who are subscribing to the title actually espouse "values" counter to what the establishment E's have been preaching. Last comment in the report: the Evangelical population is realizing they're much smaller than they thought. Well, at least one good thing has come from the Trump phenomenon: establishment Evangelicals have been forced to acknowledge that some segments of their population are not what they think, and are making moves to disassociate from them. I don't think he drinksI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #11 March 4, 2016 turtlespeed ****** What we are seeing is that a sizable fraction of the US population does not, in practice, subscribe to the values that the country advertizes as "American Values". The Donald has simply made it acceptable to be a bigot and a bully once more. I heard on NPR this morning a report about how establishment Evangelicals are realizing how their particular brand of Christianity has been hijacked. Okay, that was my interpretation. It's the establishment folks who now want to be called something else, so they won't be associated with the new "Evangelicals" who are rallying behind Trump -- a bigot, bully, "divorced three times," club owner, drinker, etc. They're realizing that those new converts who are subscribing to the title actually espouse "values" counter to what the establishment E's have been preaching. Last comment in the report: the Evangelical population is realizing they're much smaller than they thought. Well, at least one good thing has come from the Trump phenomenon: establishment Evangelicals have been forced to acknowledge that some segments of their population are not what they think, and are making moves to disassociate from them. I don't think he drinks That agrees with this: http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/07/10/15-Facts-You-Didn-t-Know-About-Donald-Trump"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #12 March 4, 2016 ryoder ********* What we are seeing is that a sizable fraction of the US population does not, in practice, subscribe to the values that the country advertizes as "American Values". The Donald has simply made it acceptable to be a bigot and a bully once more. I heard on NPR this morning a report about how establishment Evangelicals are realizing how their particular brand of Christianity has been hijacked. Okay, that was my interpretation. It's the establishment folks who now want to be called something else, so they won't be associated with the new "Evangelicals" who are rallying behind Trump -- a bigot, bully, "divorced three times," club owner, drinker, etc. They're realizing that those new converts who are subscribing to the title actually espouse "values" counter to what the establishment E's have been preaching. Last comment in the report: the Evangelical population is realizing they're much smaller than they thought. Well, at least one good thing has come from the Trump phenomenon: establishment Evangelicals have been forced to acknowledge that some segments of their population are not what they think, and are making moves to disassociate from them. I don't think he drinks That agrees with this: http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/07/10/15-Facts-You-Didn-t-Know-About-Donald-Trump Huh - yeah - I read something about an interview he did where he said he didn't drink. What we need is a complete separation of what beliefs that a candidate has in religion takes a seat at the back of the bus.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #13 March 4, 2016 TriGirl *** What we are seeing is that a sizable fraction of the US population does not, in practice, subscribe to the values that the country advertizes as "American Values". The Donald has simply made it acceptable to be a bigot and a bully once more. I heard on NPR this morning a report about how establishment Evangelicals are realizing how their particular brand of Christianity has been hijacked. Okay, that was my interpretation. It's the establishment folks who now want to be called something else, so they won't be associated with the new "Evangelicals" who are rallying behind Trump -- a bigot, bully, "divorced three times," club owner, drinker, etc. They're realizing that those new converts who are subscribing to the title actually espouse "values" counter to what the establishment E's have been preaching. Last comment in the report: the Evangelical population is realizing they're much smaller than they thought. Well, at least one good thing has come from the Trump phenomenon: establishment Evangelicals have been forced to acknowledge that some segments of their population are not what they think, and are making moves to disassociate from them. What has become even more evident to me is the separation of Christian faith and democratic government. There was a strong movement in the '80s to elect Christians to office. I believe that it was some vague notion that we, in America, could establish the theocratic government that Jesus Christ would lead when He returns following the Tribulation. What is fact is that Christians realize the government is a cartel of power brokers. We have now created a stampede of socialist cattle headed for slaughter. We need a power broker to turn the lead before everyone is ground into hamburger for the elite. Christians realize that refusing to vote for Romney was a mistake. He was a Mormon and we could not separate faith from government. Now we want somebody to stop the complete liberal socialist takeover of America. It appears at this point that Trump has the cajones to make it happen.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #14 March 4, 2016 RonD1120 ****** What we are seeing is that a sizable fraction of the US population does not, in practice, subscribe to the values that the country advertizes as "American Values". The Donald has simply made it acceptable to be a bigot and a bully once more. I heard on NPR this morning a report about how establishment Evangelicals are realizing how their particular brand of Christianity has been hijacked. Okay, that was my interpretation. It's the establishment folks who now want to be called something else, so they won't be associated with the new "Evangelicals" who are rallying behind Drumpf -- a bigot, bully, "divorced three times," club owner, drinker, etc. They're realizing that those new converts who are subscribing to the title actually espouse "values" counter to what the establishment E's have been preaching. Last comment in the report: the Evangelical population is realizing they're much smaller than they thought. Well, at least one good thing has come from the Drumpf phenomenon: establishment Evangelicals have been forced to acknowledge that some segments of their population are not what they think, and are making moves to disassociate from them. What has become even more evident to me is the separation of Christian faith and democratic government. There was a strong movement in the '80s to elect Christians to office. I believe that it was some vague notion that we, in America, could establish the theocratic government that Jesus Christ would lead when He returns following the Tribulation. What is fact is that Christians realize the government is a cartel of power brokers. We have now created a stampede of socialist cattle headed for slaughter. We need a power broker to turn the lead before everyone is ground into hamburger for the elite. Christians realize that refusing to vote for Romney was a mistake. He was a Mormon and we could not separate faith from government. Now we want somebody to stop the complete liberal socialist takeover of America. It appears at this point that Drumpf has the cajones to make it happen. Good one.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #15 March 4, 2016 QuoteWe need a power broker to turn the lead before everyone is ground into hamburger for the elite. Right, so electing a billionaire real estate developer will keep the elite out of power? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #16 March 4, 2016 DanG Quote We need a power broker to turn the lead before everyone is ground into hamburger for the elite. Right, so electing a billionaire real estate developer will keep the elite out of power? "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #17 March 4, 2016 Being successful and being elite are different concepts to me.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #18 March 4, 2016 If Donald Trump is not part of the American elite, I don't know who is. I guess when you say elite, you really just mean wealthy, educated, liberals. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #19 March 4, 2016 TriGirlLast comment in the report: the Evangelical population is realizing they're much smaller than they thought. Well, at least one good thing has come from the Trump phenomenon: establishment Evangelicals have been forced to acknowledge that some segments of their population are not what they think, and are making moves to disassociate from them. I agree - Great - now I can tell the difference between them - two groups I still don't back: 1 - Nice guys with good intention that want to push their religion/socialcrap on me through government for my own good - they can balance the centerline Dems (who outnumber them significantly) 2 - Assholes that pretend religion supports their particular assholery even though it doesn't - they can balance the hard core one or two issue Dems - like the race baiters and over-the-top envirofreaks I hope people realize, that if both left the Republicans, then the party would actually be left with just the true libertarians and businessmen and every day folks. I can get behind this and it would likely draw a lot of centrist Dems over too. It would dilute the number crooks too as they tend to gravitate to fanatical parties - now separated. I can hope...... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #20 March 4, 2016 DanGI guess when you say elite, you really just mean wealthy, educated, liberals. that would be appropriate since they also think they are the elite ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #21 March 4, 2016 DanGIf Donald Trump is not part of the American elite, I don't know who is. I guess when you say elite, you really just mean wealthy, educated, liberals. Yep, that's it.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #22 March 4, 2016 RonD1120Being successful and being elite are different concepts to me. You are absolutely correct on that one. Trump was born to his wealth. He didn't earn it (We've had that discussion before)."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 380 #23 March 4, 2016 QuoteThere was a strong movement in the '80s to elect Christians to office. I believe that it was some vague notion that we, in America, could establish the theocratic government that Jesus Christ would lead when He returns following the Tribulation.How do you reconcile that with the 1st amendment? Do you consider your self to be a patriotic American? Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #24 March 4, 2016 RonD1120 ****** What we are seeing is that a sizable fraction of the US population does not, in practice, subscribe to the values that the country advertizes as "American Values". The Donald has simply made it acceptable to be a bigot and a bully once more. I heard on NPR this morning a report about how establishment Evangelicals are realizing how their particular brand of Christianity has been hijacked. Okay, that was my interpretation. It's the establishment folks who now want to be called something else, so they won't be associated with the new "Evangelicals" who are rallying behind Trump -- a bigot, bully, "divorced three times," club owner, drinker, etc. They're realizing that those new converts who are subscribing to the title actually espouse "values" counter to what the establishment E's have been preaching. Last comment in the report: the Evangelical population is realizing they're much smaller than they thought. Well, at least one good thing has come from the Trump phenomenon: establishment Evangelicals have been forced to acknowledge that some segments of their population are not what they think, and are making moves to disassociate from them. What has become even more evident to me is the separation of Christian faith and democratic government. There was a strong movement in the '80s to elect Christians to office. I believe that it was some vague notion that we, in America, could establish the theocratic government that Jesus Christ would lead when He returns following the Tribulation. What is fact is that Christians realize the government is a cartel of power brokers. We have now created a stampede of socialist cattle headed for slaughter. We need a power broker to turn the lead before everyone is ground into hamburger for the elite. Christians realize that refusing to vote for Romney was a mistake. He was a Mormon and we could not separate faith from government. Now we want somebody to stop the complete liberal socialist takeover of America. It appears at this point that Trump has the cajones to make it happen. Umm you are half right. Had the US not focused so much on a church supported government - we would be better off be less divided.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMK 3 #25 March 4, 2016 They really should test the north Georgia drinking water for lead contamination."Pain is the best instructor, but no one wants to attend his classes" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
