Donald Trump Versus Hillary Clinton

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jakee

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When shit starts sucking - we take notice.

Shit doesn't suck. Life is good now.

Not compared to the 90's man - wtf are you smoking?

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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jakee

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Back when life was good, we didn't really care about politics. . . fuck, life was good under Clinton.

You woudn't have said that at the time. Rose tint is probably the most powerful psychological force known to man.

seriously, wtf do you know about it?

If you didn't have a job during the Clinton admin, you were a fucking loser...it didn't make any sense.

You could literally walk down the street and find a $10/hour job within 2hours max. . .

wtf man?

Do you know what $10 an hour was back 20-30 years ago?

shit, nowadays people would kill for $8 an hour - fuck you.

it just goes to show how ignorant you people are. . .

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[RonD1120 62]

wolfriverjoe

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...Those days are gone. Socialism is killing the American spirit. People feel the desperation. Obamacare, Islamic terrorism and social unrest are threatening us. No one is providing protective leadership.

Trump appeals to our emotions and it does not matter what he says. He acts tough and that is all that is recognized...

Ron's got it pretty close.

The "desperation" however, is manufactured.

The Rs have fed into the fears and hatred of the blue collar conservatives for the past 7 years (well, for a lot longer than that, but really hard the last 7 years).

They didn't come right out and say it, but they made sure any possible increase in legal immigration or legalizing those here illegally failed miserably ("amnesty" anyone?).

They fed people the "death panel" lie about Obamacare (like the insurance companies didn't already make those kind of decisions).

They feel squeezed out as the good blue collar jobs go overseas. They feel forced to accept things they used to be able to make "invisible" (minorities, gays, that sort of thing). They still have a better standard of living than somewhere well above 90% of the rest of the world, but that doesn't matter. They are afraid they will lose what they have.

So along comes Trump. He starts off as a typical "Not Professional Politician" and does about as well as they usually do.

But he's a damned good salesman (not businessman, salesman) and he realizes exactly what that type of person wants to hear.

So he says "Mexicans are Rapists", "No more Muslim Immigrants", "Build a Wall & Make Mexico Pay for It", and the most ridiculous, "Make America Great Again" (making America great is ridiculous, it's just that he says this and nothing else about what will be changed or how).

And the scared and indignant sheep buy it. Hook, line and sinker.

They think "he's one of us", when he isn't. They make up shit about him, shit like "Trump is 100% behind the 2nd Amendment" when he's on record in favor of the AWB.

This sort of "hero worship" is dangerous.

Demagogues like this are dangerous.

He feeds on the adulation, then tells them more of what they want to hear, without any real substance. And the cycle builds.

Assuming he gets elected (and that's admittedly a stretch), what would happen if he "suggested" that armed citizens form "posses" and start rounding up illegal immigrants? (they could all wear khaki shirts. A red armband with a white circle with a large black "T" would be a nice accessory).

DanG said that Trump scared him, not his supporters.

Both scare me rather badly. Because I know what has happened historically when this sort of thing gets going.

I'm a white male. Unless Trump starts going after Gingers, I'm safe. At least from the direct threat. But the fallout and chaos and aftermath of what might happen will be rather messy. Nobody will be fully safe from that...

Except maybe people like Ron, safe in his retreat. Ironic, isn't it?

And someone asked why Trump was scarier than Muslim terrorists. After all, the "MTs" had killed thousands.

Well, yeah. 3k in one very successful attack. Other than that, how many in the US in, say, the last 25 years? Less than 100.
How many skydivers went in in the same time frame? (guessing around 600).
How many traffic fatalities? Try around 750k (about three quarters of a million)

Terrorism isn't really on my list of stuff I'm worried about. I'm far more concerned about some idiot taking me out when I'm on my motorcycle.

I agree, this desperation has been manufactured. That is the whole point. It has been manufactured by the power in Washington D.C. Both Rs and the Ds have played their power cards. Both sides have their respective funding sources.

My particular evil focus is on George Soros.

The point is that about 50% or more of the population is scared and angry. Trump is appealing to that emotional distress. He is coming across as assertive and expressive.

That same 50% or more is beyond disgust when considering Hillary and the current occupier of the White House.

Back in the late '60s and early '70s the talk on the DZ was about killing communists and beating the Soviets in the world parachute meet.

Now the talk on the DZ is about same sex marriage, free stuff from the government and all Christians must die.

Those of us that joined the military and fought against socialism/communism are in a state of meltdown watching our country fall to our enemies.

If we do not find a national unifying purpose, the social chaos, along with the worldwide economic collapse, with bring total governmental control.

Blame whoever you want. It does not matter. SHTF is coming.

Being an intellectual neutral is defeat.

And you are correct in thinking I feel safer in the north GA mountains than I did in Tampa, FL. My faith and my friends are a secure comfort.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

Here is another example of our anger and disgust.

Gitmo prisoners released while our soldiers languish in Leavenworth.

I simply cannot comprehend how 50% or more of this country supports this type of government.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/03/21/members-leavenworth-10-languish-in-military-prison-while-gitmo-detainees-freed.html?intcmp=hpbt2

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

Here is young woman directing her anger specifically at Hillary. The language is rough but the point is that people are this angry.

Until we recognize the level of this emotions toward our government and become unified we are doomed.

SHTF

http://constitutionclub.ning.com/forum/topics/check-this-young-girls-opinion-on-hildabeast-as-far-as-i-am?xg_source=msg_mes_network

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[rehmwa 2]

GTAVercetti

Years later, still one of my favorite posters.

Sure, abandon the crowd for a long time and then poke in here during a contentious election........just for the entertainment

You'll see little has changed - everyone is being assholes to each other (except for Wendy, she's smarter and nicer than everyone, period, no exceptions....nuff said ), no minds have changed. mockery and shenanigans galore for those not light of spine.

VERY good to see you here

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[RonD1120 62]

gowlerk

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but you lose 90% of the readers when you say we need a disaster, and then you lose 99% when you quote scripture....

There is a good reason for that. When you quote scripture it is nearly meaningless. All it shows is that you know the Bible well enough to find something relevant to your post. We all know that the Bible can be quoted to support any position at all.

Everyone from the sainted to the damned can find something in scripture to back them up. If you want to be taken seriously, you can appeal to emotion, as you well know. Or logic, which at least some will consider.

Cherry pick a verse from the Bible? Well.... we may as well throw snowballs at each other. From our respective cities or enclaves. The Bible is a road map to living life alright. Any kind of life you care to read into it.

One the main strong points of Scripture is that it fits all situations. That is why it is referred to as the living word.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[kallend 2,150]

RonD1120

One the main strong points of Scripture is that it fits all situations. That is why it is referred to as the living word.

One of the worst things about Scripture is that you can always find a verse somewhere that will support any position you care to take, no matter how stupid or venal.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[RonD1120 62]

kallend

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One the main strong points of Scripture is that it fits all situations. That is why it is referred to as the living word.

One of the worst things about Scripture is that you can always find a verse somewhere that will support any position you care to take, no matter how stupid or venal.

But not to the person who needs it.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[kallend 2,150]

“I’m saying my party is completely screwed up … if it were up to me, we wouldn’t nominate anyone. We’d start all over again.”; Senator Lindsey Graham (R, SC)

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[jakee 1,596]

RonD1120

Here is another example of our anger and disgust.

Gitmo prisoners released while our soldiers languish in Leavenworth.

I simply cannot comprehend how 50% or more of this country supports this type of government.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/03/21/members-leavenworth-10-languish-in-military-prison-while-gitmo-detainees-freed.html?intcmp=hpbt2

Or to put it another way, convicted murderers remain in prison while innocent men who have never been charged or convicted are finally, finally starting to be set free.

So yes Ron, you are angry and you are disgusting.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[gowlerk 2,277]

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Now the talk on the DZ is about same sex marriage, free stuff from the government and all Christians must die.

You are definitely on a roll this morning. Your anger and fear is coming through more clearly than usual. So out of all your comments, I had to choose one, and this is it.

When was the last time you were on a DZ? Or by "on the DZ" do you mean here? Either way, ridiculously untrue. Have you been taking lessons from The Donald?

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[RonD1120 62]

jakee

***Here is another example of our anger and disgust.

Gitmo prisoners released while our soldiers languish in Leavenworth.

I simply cannot comprehend how 50% or more of this country supports this type of government.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/03/21/members-leavenworth-10-languish-in-military-prison-while-gitmo-detainees-freed.html?intcmp=hpbt2

Or to put it another way, convicted murderers remain in prison while innocent men who have never been charged or convicted are finally, finally starting to be set free.

So yes Ron, you are angry and you are disgusting.

Stay with your tribe and you will be OK. The Muslim terrorists in your country seem to be in the outlying communities. Well, until they get to the subways.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

gowlerk

When was the last time you were on a DZ? Or by "on the DZ" do you mean here? Either way, ridiculously untrue. Have you been taking lessons from The Donald?

Here, the last time I was on a DZ was a PGR mission last fall. My motorcycle vest is adorned with parachuting wings, emblems etc. Not one person there bothered to even say hello or ask about my jumping experience.

Not a big deal, I was not there for me but for the fallen hero.

Yeah, I felt out of place just by the vibe, no words spoken.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[normiss 897]

Imagine how they felt.

[RonD1120 62]

normiss

Imagine how they felt.

They were no doubt terrified. All of a sudden their DZ is flooded with old military vets riding motorcycles. And, OMG, one of those white haired guys has DDW and a chaplain's cross on his vest.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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RonD1120

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When was the last time you were on a DZ? Or by "on the DZ" do you mean here? Either way, ridiculously untrue. Have you been taking lessons from The Donald?

Here, the last time I was on a DZ was a PGR mission last fall. My motorcycle vest is adorned with parachuting wings, emblems etc. Not one person there bothered to even say hello or ask about my jumping experience.

Not a big deal, I was not there for me but for the fallen hero.

Yeah, I felt out of place just by the vibe, no words spoken.

If you exude any sort of similarity in how you carry yourself in RL as you do here, I can see why no one wanted to talk to you. Maybe they could sense the fear and paranoia.

Also, people tend to talk to those who are jumping at a DZ, at least in my experience. Not just people wearing patches.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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rehmwa

***Years later, still one of my favorite posters.

Sure, abandon the crowd for a long time and then poke in here during a contentious election........just for the entertainment

You'll see little has changed - everyone is being assholes to each other (except for Wendy, she's smarter and nicer than everyone, period, no exceptions....nuff said ), no minds have changed. mockery and shenanigans galore for those not light of spine.

VERY good to see you here

I know how to pick my timing.

Dropped in to put a canopy up in the classifieds and got sucked right back in.

Some people have changed, but the obstinance has not.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[RonD1120 62]

GTAVercetti

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When was the last time you were on a DZ? Or by "on the DZ" do you mean here? Either way, ridiculously untrue. Have you been taking lessons from The Donald?

Here, the last time I was on a DZ was a PGR mission last fall. My motorcycle vest is adorned with parachuting wings, emblems etc. Not one person there bothered to even say hello or ask about my jumping experience.

Not a big deal, I was not there for me but for the fallen hero.

Yeah, I felt out of place just by the vibe, no words spoken.

If you exude any sort of similarity in how you carry yourself in RL as you do here, I can see why no one wanted to talk to you. Maybe they could sense the fear and paranoia.

Also, people tend to talk to those who are jumping at a DZ, at least in my experience. Not just people wearing patches.

That is what I was saying. It is different now. We used to welcome older jumpers and veterans. We would talk to them because they went before us and experienced the initial problems. We felt like they had something worth sharing and we could learn.

No more. Now you have a app for that.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[ryoder 1,590]

GTAVercetti

Dropped in to put a canopy up in the classifieds and got sucked right back in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[JerryBaumchen 1,468]

Hi Ron,

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That same 50% or more is beyond disgust when considering Hillary and the current occupier of the White House.

The Wall Street Journal recently ran an article on Obama's popularity; it is the highest ( at this point in anyone's administration ) of all of the presidents in recent memory.

I do not know what you read, but every poll recently has Hillary beating every other potential opponent. So where do you get that 50% from?

Jerry Baumchen

[RonD1120 62]

JerryBaumchen

Hi Ron,

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That same 50% or more is beyond disgust when considering Hillary and the current occupier of the White House.

The Wall Street Journal recently ran an article on Obama's popularity; it is the highest ( at this point in anyone's administration ) of all of the presidents in recent memory.

I do not know what you read, but every poll recently has Hillary beating every other potential opponent. So where do you get that 50% from?

Jerry Baumchen

I talk to folks, polls don't mean much. About 50% of those polled do not respond. We get political phone surveys, about two per week, and we just hang up. We are providing you with a false sense of confidence.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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RonD1120

That is what I was saying. It is different now. We used to welcome older jumpers and veterans. We would talk to them because they went before us and experienced the initial problems. We felt like they had something worth sharing and we could learn.

No more. Now you have a app for that.

And did you go up to anyone and say hello to them? Why did you put the onus on them to immediately jump up and say hello just because you were wearing patches? I have been at my DZ since 2003. Very few of our members (especially as we are not a small DZ and there are often a lot of people there) would just go up to a random person wearing skydiving patches and say hello. Especially if it were a busy day. Now, if that person were jumping or gave a warm feeling or approached them, they would be friendly as hell. If that person were say standing beside them and they noticed logos, patches, etc. ESPECIALLY if they were actually jumping.

I know you WANT things to be the way they were. But that is just not how time works. Everyone wants "the good old days." They never EVER come back. You can gripe about it, or you can adapt.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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ryoder

***Dropped in to put a canopy up in the classifieds and got sucked right back in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU

Yup. Pretty much that.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[RonD1120 62]

Please disregard that last message. I don't know anything. I live in the mountains, in the woods, data bits are hang carried.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.