Donald Trump Versus Hillary Clinton

[jakee 1,595]

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I don't see anyone in this forum advocating the death of all muslims. What I do see however are people expressing concern for border security and how to handle the very real threat of terrorism - but they are dismissed as paranoid and told that they shouldn't be so concerned - that toddlers with guns are more of a threat than terrorism - it's ridiculous.

If that's all you see then you're walking around with a pretty sizeable set of blinders on. You seem to be determined to stick to that narrative no matter what though so I don't think there's any point explaining (again) why the xenophobes are xenophobic.

2 things though; 1) Disliking Trump for being Trump is different than, say, disliking all construction company owners because of Trump.

2) One reason to be worried about Trump is what some of his policies (torture and kill the families of suspected terrorists) would do to fuel Islamic terrorism.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kallend 2,149]

Coreeece

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People are scared shitless of Islamic extremists, yet the same people that share your fear of Trump supporters, call them paranoid and xenophobic.

No, the people who are scared of all muslims because of Islamic extremists are called paranoid xenophobes.

Fine, and those that are scared of Trump and all his supporters are paranoid bigots.

Reprise: Given the choice between a narcissistic blowhard foulmouthed xenophobic insincere lying spoiled silver-spooned bigot with bad hair whose policy positions are fluid, and Ted Cruz, I'll take the bad hair guy.

I think Cruz is more dangerous than Trump.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[GTAVercetti 0]

Luckily, I never Godwin'd anything then. Whew.

MANY, not all, of Trump supporters are xenophobic, not just concerned.

A xenophobe doesn't JUST worries about security. That is kind of the definition of xenophobia. Trump supporters (and Cruz) often display xenophobia, not concern. An absolutely paranoid and irrational fear of anything outside of the country.

Have you ever BEEN to a freeper board? Or the comments of any article about, even tangentially, muslims?

Those commenters are not just worried about security. They actively hate. Couple that with people I have actually met who actively hate and I feel that I can safely come to a conclusion that this applies to enough Trump supporters to validate my statement.

Certainly there are those who are JUST worried about security. But those people are not supporting Trump in nearly the same numbers. Because those people are reasonable and know the things Trump wants to do range from insane to improbable.

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

ryoder

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I mean Nixon had to be all politically correct and call it a war on drugs when what he really launched was a war on blacks and hippies.

Trump doesn't have to use veiled language like that. A lot of hate has built up since the political correctness of the Nixon era.

Ah, someone has been reading the same article I just read today?

https://harpers.org/archive/2016/04/legalize-it-all/



Actually, no haven't read that article. I will try and give it a read later if I can. But, should not that I by no means think that legalizing all drugs is the right answer.

[billvon 3,118]

>I don't see anyone in this forum advocating the death of all muslims.

Three examples from three different threads:

Catfishhunter: Glass fucking parking lot...all I have to say about it - GRAPHIC VIDEO OF ISLAMIC MURDER!

Rhino: I agree with the glass parking lot thing. Fuck them all.

Funks: I say 48 hours for all friendlies to get out and then turn that entire part of the world into a freakin parking lot.

[wmw999 2,588]

OK, even I'll admit those go back a ways
Of course, one of those guys was back recently talking about what's going to happen if Trump isn't the Republican candidate...

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[nolhtairt 0]

Man, do I miss Funks on here... Good times...

[SivaGanesha 2]

Belgium is hurting today because of Hillary's decision to support the Iraq war.

Nor do I think Donald would be any better.

I will be looking beyond the frontrunners when it comes to whom to support in the primaries.

"It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014

[kallend 2,149]

SivaGanesha

Belgium is hurting today because of Hillary's decision to support the Iraq war.

That is a bit of a stretch. The CinC who LIED to Congress about the intel and who ordered the invasion was GWB. The Secretary of State who lied to the UN was Colin Powell.

While I fault Congress for not being more skeptical of the administration's claims, (and am on record faulting it at the time) no-one in Congress ordered the troops in.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[normiss 897]

That Trump, such a class act.
What a piece of shit.

I'm confused more and more everyday on how anybody on the planet would want a douche nozzle like this in ANY office.

[RonD1120 62]

You do not understand the subjective nature of people. When people are living in fear, pain or anger they do not think logically, left brain. They think emotionally from the right brain. They make decisions on instinct.

People will suspend facts in order to choose someone they think will fight for them. They want the dysfunction to stop.

We used to make choices for our leaders analyzing the party platforms. We voted for who we thought would do the best for the nation.

Those days are gone. Socialism is killing the American spirit. People feel the desperation. Obamacare, Islamic terrorism and social unrest are threatening us. No one is providing protective leadership.

Trump appeals to our emotions and it does not matter what he says. He acts tough and that is all that is recognized.

Decades of distrust have brought us to our current collective mindset. It started with Vietnam and has peaked in the last seven years with an administration that feeds chaos.

I think it will take a major catastrophe to unite us.

Or, as I posted before:

2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Forgiveness -- Love -- Peace is the way up.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[turtlespeed 226]

normiss

That Trump, such a class act.
What a piece of shit.

I'm confused more and more everyday on how anybody on the planet would want a douche nozzle like this in ANY office.

Which is worse?
1) possibly insulting another's wife
2) posting a commercial of a VP candidate pushing an old woman off a cliff?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[normiss 897]

While you closed with "Forgiveness -- Love -- Peace is the way up. ", that's not your message.
Your message is hate.

Come down from the mountains and back to real life Ron, it's messing you up and making you anti-social.

[RonD1120 62]

normiss

While you closed with "Forgiveness -- Love -- Peace is the way up. ", that's not your message.
Your message is hate.

Come down from the mountains and back to real life Ron, it's messing you up and making you anti-social.

WOW!

I am speechless.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[normiss 897]

We've arrived at the same point, again.

[rehmwa 2]

RonD1120

***While you closed with "Forgiveness -- Love -- Peace is the way up. ", that's not your message.
Your message is hate.

Come down from the mountains and back to real life Ron, it's messing you up and making you anti-social.

WOW!

I am speechless.

no, you shouldn't be

that post (agree or not) was a good discussion to have and it has some basis that many cultural changes that we've forced upon ourselves is, in itself, much of the root cause. (the bad that comes with the good)

but you lose 90% of the readers when you say we need a disaster, and then you lose 99% when you quote scripture....

no one will talk about the useful content, you'll just get bashed on the closing statements and the message is wasted

know your audience

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[ryoder 1,590]

normiss

That Trump, such a class act.
What a piece of shit.

I'm confused more and more everyday on how anybody on the planet would want a douche nozzle like this in ANY office.

Check this out;
TDS found a line in a Michael Douglas movie that Cruz apparently plagiarized: http://www.cc.com/full-episodes/kuy9wr/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-march-23--2016---lindsey-graham-season-21-ep-21083
(It is in the first 2 minutes.)

ETA Oh, it gets even better!
At 11:00 They interview Lindsay Graham, and of course they start with the clip about killing Ted Cruz on the floor of the Senate, and ask him why he is endorsing Cruz now. His answer is great!

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[434 2]

Was it the socialism that killed American spirit? I thought it was the capitalism!

Well done believing in fairy tales

[Coreeece 2]

jakee

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I don't see anyone in this forum advocating the death of all muslims. What I do see however are people expressing concern for border security and how to handle the very real threat of terrorism - but they are dismissed as paranoid and told that they shouldn't be so concerned - that toddlers with guns are more of a threat than terrorism - it's ridiculous.

If that's all you see then you're walking around with a pretty sizeable set of blinders on. You seem to be determined to stick to that narrative no matter what though so I don't think there's any point explaining (again) why the xenophobes are xenophobic.

...but you're missing the moral of the whole story - that if people are gonna scare themselves shitless over some fictive that Trump and his supporters somehow represent a new age Nazi-like regime, then IMO, you pretty much lose the fucking right to call someone else out on their paranoia.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[gowlerk 2,276]

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We used to make choices for our leaders analyzing the party platforms. We voted for who we thought would do the best for the nation.

To use a very English expression...Poppycock. People have always voted mostly on their feelings and what they thought would be best for themselves first, and country second.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[Coreeece 2]

rehmwa

that post (agree or not) was a good discussion to have and it has some basis that many cultural changes that we've forced upon ourselves is, in itself, much of the root cause. (the bad that comes with the good)

but you lose 90% of the readers when you say we need a disaster, and then you lose 99% when you quote scripture....

no one will talk about the useful content, you'll just get bashed on the closing statements and the message is wasted

I don't think it's so much about losing readers. If someone doesn't like all or part of an ideology of someone else, they will only look for the bad, rather than trying to understand and discuss the finer points of the post.

If they can find nothing wrong, they just say, "you have a message of hate!" - and then just stomp off, hoping that the label sticks to the worldview of the poster.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[SethInMI 174]

ryoder

TDS found a line in a Michael Douglas movie that Cruz apparently plagiarized: http://www.cc.com/full-episodes/kuy9wr/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-march-23--2016---lindsey-graham-season-21-ep-21083

oh that was rich.

It's flare not flair, brakes not breaks, bridle not bridal, "could NOT care less" not "could care less".

[normiss 897]

"Actually I'm saying my party is completely screwed up." was my favorite jewel in there.
He's right. I'd like to see the GOP completely collapse in upon itself.
Fuck those guys.

[RonD1120 62]

rehmwa

******While you closed with "Forgiveness -- Love -- Peace is the way up. ", that's not your message.
Your message is hate.

Come down from the mountains and back to real life Ron, it's messing you up and making you anti-social.

WOW!

I am speechless.

no, you shouldn't be

that post (agree or not) was a good discussion to have and it has some basis that many cultural changes that we've forced upon ourselves is, in itself, much of the root cause. (the bad that comes with the good)

but you lose 90% of the readers when you say we need a disaster, and then you lose 99% when you quote scripture....

no one will talk about the useful content, you'll just get bashed on the closing statements and the message is wasted

know your audience

Yeah, good point.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[Elisha 1]

normiss

That Trump, such a class act.
What a piece of shit.

I'm confused more and more everyday on how anybody on the planet would want a douche nozzle like this in ANY office.

My wife it hotter than your wife so I should be POTUS!