gowlerk 2,275 #426 March 21, 2016 434We know Clinton is going to win, so the show is over. http://time.com/4266688/george-clooney-support-hillary-clinton/?xid=homepage More Hollywood type support.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #427 March 21, 2016 As a previous post (rightly) pointed out, the presidential race isn't even the most important election come next November, although it gets all the coverage. The more important races are for the senate and house. In fact, in terms of things that directly impact voter's lives, the more local elections (state races, city hall elections, even school board and HOA elections) have more impact than who the president is. But the presidential race gets all the attention, because that's where most of the money goes, and that results in a much better show. That's not to say that the presidential election doesn't influence the legislative elections. Even now the White House race is having an effect: ============= Trump puts GOP House majority in jeopardy Democrats already have reasonable odds of flipping a dozen or so House seats. By Theodoric Meyer and Elena Schneider 03/21/16 05:18 AM EDT Politico Donald Trump is on the verge of two things once thought to be impossible: winning the Republican presidential nomination, and putting Republicans’ historically large House majority in danger. Democrats have for the past year discussed the GOP’s 30-seat majority as a long-term problem, solvable only by shrinking it over several successive elections. But Trump’s remarkable rise in the GOP presidential race, and the backlash he has already provoked among the broader electorate, has suddenly raised the prospect of a large November wave against Trump and the Republicans who would share the ballot with him. The House GOP’s leading indicators — its most vulnerable members, like Reps. Bob Dold and Carlos Curbelo — are already sounding the alarm against Trump and his rhetoric on women, Hispanics and other groups. The party’s outside groups are preparing an intensified fundraising push to help defend the chamber. The respected Cook Political Report downgraded Republicans’ chances in 10 districts Friday. And though the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, which has been stung by overzealous predictions in past years, won’t say outright that the majority is in play, the party is clearly thinking about it. Democrats already had reasonable odds of flipping a dozen or so House seats. But DCCC Chairman Ben Ray Luján recently started highlighting “reach” districts, like those of Rep. John Mica in Florida and Rep. Steve Knight in California, that broaden Democrats’ target list enough to take back the chamber — if local candidates can take advantage of the sudden opportunity. Strategists are now turning their attention to moderate suburbs around Detroit, Minneapolis, Washington and other areas where House Democrats have struggled in recent years but Trump has already shown weakness. . . . For better or worse, Trump supporters might be the most passionate voters in American politics today. It might be Trump’s firebrand rhetoric or divisive policy ideas, but his events draw out a particularly fired-up core. They’ve brought KKK signs, spit in protesters’ faces and sneered at the reporters in the press pen. And at the helm of it all is Trump himself, denying that he’s incited them while simultaneously boasting of the free entertainment the conflicts provide. “That kind of stuff only adds to the excitement,” he said at a Worcester, Massachusetts, rally in November as police dragged away a protester. . . . But most House Republicans are keeping quiet. “The hardest part about it is having to answer every time the nominee says something,” one worried Republican consultant said. “If he says this, ‘Do you agree?’ If he says that, ‘Do you agree?’ That’s the hardest part, not being able to control your race more. I think Trump makes every district tougher and every state tougher for a Republican.” To combat that, Republican outside groups are planning a bigger-than-expected fundraising push to protect the House. "I think there are lots of major donors who may have been budgeting to play in presidential who are now saying we need to make sure we keep the House and the Senate,” said one top GOP strategist, who requested anonymity to describe private conversations. ============================== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #428 March 22, 2016 GTAVercetti***This is the most subjective campaign in my lifetime. That is because politics is now subjective. Less important than facts or compromise is grandstanding, hyperbole, and slander. Each side has been conditioned to never believe anything bad about their side. The difference here though is that numerous outside accounts and facts have been shown to be true about Trump (much of which comes right out of his own mouth). All his business he touted during his victory speech? Lies. His over-extension that caused his bankruptcy? These are things with paper trails to follow. His bigoted remarks? Recorded. His threats to protesters or journalists? Same. And yet, not a whole lot has been PROVEN (and thus she is indicted, prosecuted, whatever) about Hillary. As I said, I don't like her very much but not for any of these "scandalous" issues that are passed around. If the proof comes out and she is caught for it, I will have an even lower opinion. But now, it is all feeling and subjectivity due the conditioning that her side is just WRONG no matter what she says. When that happens, objectivity is pretty much impossible. Hillary could come out tomorrow with a plan to deregulate everything, remove all taxes, and punch Bill in the face, and Trump voters would still hate her because she is Hillary and she has a D beside her name. But you would see a mass revolt from her supported for sure. The way I see it Trump will be heavily controlled by everyone in all branches of the government. Hillary knows how to circumvent that and do underhanded shit that can and will be of detriment to the country. Trump just last the political understanding of how to do that. Thus, he is the safer choice - but Yes - I would still choose Bernie than trump.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #429 March 22, 2016 turtlespeed The way I see it Trump will be heavily controlled by everyone in all branches of the government. Hillary knows how to circumvent that and do underhanded shit that can and will be of detriment to the country. Trump just last the political understanding of how to do that. Thus, he is the safer choice - but Yes - I would still choose Bernie than trump. So this is one of the more interesting posts in the last several pages of mania that Ron brings with him. Something that can be discussed and questioned. I think it was DanG a few pages ago who said it best - for me, it's a risk mitigation scenario. Will Hillary be able to weasel around restrictions that Trump wouldn't? Probably... But I don't think she'd do anything to instantaneously destroy the entire country. The Likelihood is moderate, but so is the Risk. But Trump... (and this is where opinion comes in), like you, I believe will be controlled more heavily by the rest of the government, but is arrogant enough to do something exceptionally dangerous if he can get away with it. A preemptive strike on NK. A complete cessation of trade with China. Screwing Putins wife live on youtube... who knows? He doesn't have the sanity filter that others seem to. It may be deliberate, or it may be the people controlling him screwing up, but while the Liklihood is Low, the Risk is Extreme. That's how I see it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #430 March 22, 2016 billvonDonald Trump is on the verge of two things once thought to be impossible: winning the Republican presidential nomination, and putting Republicans’ historically large House majority in danger. another example of voter stupidity - our safest bet is always keep these branches in conflict with each other...... sigh ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #431 March 22, 2016 GTAVercettiThe fact that so many people find him even remotely a good choice scares the shit out of me. Ya, that's the common theme lately - scared shitless. People are scared shitless of Islamic extremists, yet the same people that share your fear of Trump supporters, call them paranoid and xenophobic. Islamic extremists have killed thousands of us in a single day. There have been major attacks here in the U.S and abroad, along with dozens of foiled attacks over the years. Yet Trump supporters haven't killed anyone - just some highly publicized fisticuffs between the emotionally retarded on both sides.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #432 March 22, 2016 QuoteYet Trump supporters haven't killed anyone - just some highly publicized fisticuffs between the emotionally retarded on both sides. It is not the Trump supporters that everyone is scared of. It is the man himself. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #433 March 22, 2016 Coreeece***The fact that so many people find him even remotely a good choice scares the shit out of me. Ya, that's the common theme lately - scared shitless. People are scared shitless of Islamic extremists, yet the same people that share your fear of Trump supporters, call them paranoid and xenophobic. Islamic extremists have killed thousands of us in a single day. There have been major attacks here in the U.S and abroad, along with dozens of foiled attacks over the years. Yet Trump supporters haven't killed anyone - just some highly publicized fisticuffs between the emotionally retarded on both sides. Ok. I don't know why you are equating my fear of a president like Trump with fear of terrorists. That may be a reason many of his believers like him, but the two don't equate. Unless you somehow think Trump will make us safer? And so my fears are not justified but theirs are? I guess? Because I certainly don't think he will do ANYTHING to make us more secure, prosperous, or stronger.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #434 March 22, 2016 turtlespeed The way I see it Trump will be heavily controlled by everyone in all branches of the government. Hillary knows how to circumvent that and do underhanded shit that can and will be of detriment to the country. Trump just last the political understanding of how to do that. Thus, he is the safer choice - but Yes - I would still choose Bernie than trump. I am not willing to take that gamble. Imagine Trump as a angry badger. Sure, all the wildlife handlers say, "Don't worry, we got this." And 9 times out of 10, they do. Until they don't. And then that angry badger fucks shit up. Yeah, it is one time, but that one time eats your chickens, kills your dog, bites your neighbor, and fucks your sister. Huh. I think I lost track of that analogy. Oh well. Point stands.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #435 March 22, 2016 DanGNo, it is supposed to point out that many of your attitudes are antithetical to Christian principles. Actually it shows how his attitude is pretty much the same as the attitude displayed by the more extreme Muslims. Adapt or we will fight you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #436 March 22, 2016 RonD1120****** If I am the last Christian to make it into eternal life so be it. Based on the very unChristian things you write here, I suspect you are deluding yourself. This is all you need to know about my relationship with Jesus the Christ. He was an actor with fake blood all over him and a lot of makeup? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #437 March 22, 2016 SkyDekker*** This is all you need to know about my relationship with Jesus the Christ. He was an actor with fake blood all over him and a lot of makeup? No, I think he's referring to a distant cousin of mine. I'm pretty sure the guy is no blood relation of Ron's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #438 March 22, 2016 winsor****** This is all you need to know about my relationship with Jesus the Christ. He was an actor with fake blood all over him and a lot of makeup? No, I think he's referring to a distant cousin of mine. I'm pretty sure the guy is no blood relation of Ron's. That is correct, I'm adopted.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #439 March 22, 2016 Deuteronomy 23:2 a concern? I've actually never understood how jebus himself got into heaven after reading that nugget. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #440 March 22, 2016 normiss Deuteronomy 23:2 a concern? I've actually never understood how jebus himself got into heaven after reading that nugget. Note: there is no reference to 'heaven,' 'hell' or 'satan/lucifer/beelzebub' in the Torah. Some of this shows up in later writings, but the liturgy is based entirely upon the Penatateuch. Thus, 'Assembly of the Lord' refers herein to the Temple or other earthly family gatherings. Devarim/'Deuteronomy' was 'the book' until Ezra the Scribe assembled the other four 'prequels,' sometime after the Babylonian Exile. Devarim is thus the most archaic account of the Children of Israel, and records a lot of the wrinkles of the big, dysfunctional family that got ironed out later. Anyone who takes this stuff at face value really doesn't get it. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,275 #441 March 22, 2016 QuoteAnyone who takes this stuff at face value really doesn't get it. Of course not. That's why we need "priests" and other fraudsters to interpret the fables for us. It all comes down to one fact. Do as I say, and believe what I tell you to believe or THE MAN will torture you for eternity.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #443 March 22, 2016 Actual math on primaries/caucuses so far: Total number of Americans eligible to vote 218,959,000 Total number of Americans registered to vote 146,311,000 Source: http://www.statisticbrain.com/voting-statistics/ "So far, Republicans have cast 19.8 million votes at primary and caucus elections this year, and Democrats have cast 14.8 million." Look at the attached graph for the numbers of votes the remaining candidates have actually received. Source: http://qz.com/644111/trump-voters-make-up-about-5-6-of-the-voting-age-population/ Interesting thing is the order: 1. Clinton 2. Trump 3. Sanders 4. Cruz"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #444 March 22, 2016 normiss Deuteronomy 23:2 a concern? I've actually never understood how jebus himself got into heaven after reading that nugget. He knew a guy...that knew a guy."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #445 March 22, 2016 Almost as clear as Star Wars. Gotta love a good fiction I suppose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #446 March 22, 2016 >Yet Trump supporters haven't killed anyone That's a great example of how low our standards have gotten for political discourse in the US. "Hey, Trump supporters aren't so bad - they haven't killed anyone yet!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #447 March 22, 2016 Quote"So far, Republicans have cast 19.8 million votes at primary and caucus elections this year Which is roughly a third of the number of republicans who will vote, based on 2012 numbers. That is a pretty sizeable group of voters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #448 March 22, 2016 QuotePeople are scared shitless of Islamic extremists, yet the same people that share your fear of Trump supporters, call them paranoid and xenophobic. No, the people who are scared of all muslims because of Islamic extremists are called paranoid xenophobes. QuoteYet Trump supporters haven't killed anyone - Not important either way, but I absolutely guarantee you that is not true. There are definitely people who support Trump who are also murderers.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #449 March 22, 2016 billvon>Yet Trump supporters haven't killed anyone That's a great example of how low our standards have gotten for political discourse in the US. Ya, if you want to deliberately miss the point - which btw, you've been doing a lot lately. billvon"Hey, Trump supporters aren't so bad - they haven't killed anyone yet!" That's what you're saying. I was speaking to the hypocrisy of those that admittedly are scared shitless of Tump and/or his supporters, while calling others paranoid xenophobes when they express concern about being scared shitless of terrorism.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #450 March 22, 2016 jakeeQuotePeople are scared shitless of Islamic extremists, yet the same people that share your fear of Trump supporters, call them paranoid and xenophobic. No, the people who are scared of all muslims because of Islamic extremists are called paranoid xenophobes. Fine, and those that are scared of Trump and all his supporters are paranoid bigots.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
