Should Trump release his tax returns

[gowlerk 2,277]

You and brenthutch are proving the authors statement:

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"Partisan audiences will savage fact-checks that contradict their views, and that’s true of both the right and the left."

You don't like the message, therefore it must be both biased and untrue. Although the story is from The NY Times, the fact checking quoted is not. It is from Politifact. Here is a link to where they explain who they are and who funds them. Very open and very upfront.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/blog/2011/oct/06/who-pays-for-politifact/


But go ahead, shoot the messenger. It's the traditional thing to do.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[normiss 898]

Maybe he should release how many foreign worker visas his companies have obtained in preference over 'Muricans.
Seems to me his policies and his math are at odds.

[brenthutch 444]

Ranking Bill "I never had sex with that women" Clinton, as the most honest politician, doesn't pass the smell test.

[gowlerk 2,277]

brenthutch

Ranking Bill "I never had sex with that women" Clinton, as the most honest politician, doesn't pass the smell test.

That reflects YOUR bias. Keep in mind that the list isn't that long. It's mostly the current candidates and it does not go very many years back.

Saying that it doesn't pass the smell test is pretty much the same thing as saying it lacks truthiness. But I know what you mean, we all bring our own preconceptions to the table. It helps me to try to be aware of them so that I don't give them too much weight.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[turtlespeed 226]

gowlerk

***Ranking Bill "I never had sex with that women" Clinton, as the most honest politician, doesn't pass the smell test.

That reflects YOUR bias. Keep in mind that the list isn't that long. It's mostly the current candidates and it does not go very many years back.

Saying that it doesn't pass the smell test is pretty much the same thing as saying it lacks truthiness. But I know what you mean, we all bring our own preconceptions to the table. It helps me to try to be aware of them so that I don't give them too much weight.Just because you agree with it doesn't make it true.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[gowlerk 2,277]

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Just because you agree with it doesn't make it true.

Well, that's true. Of anything. Do you have a reasonable point to make, or is that all?

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

brenthutch

Ranking Bill "I never had sex with that women" Clinton, as the most honest politician, doesn't pass the smell test.

I am not saying the following is true. But, think of it this way. Let's say that this is the only lie Bill Clinton ever told. That would make him the most truthful politician out there, ever.

Now let's compare Bill BJ Clinton to another politician who has maybe told 50 lies during his career. You may believe that those 50 lies weren't as bad, plus you can kind of understand why he lied about them, or why he misstated the truth a little.

Now in your mind, the second politician is a lot more truthful.

[brenthutch 444]

So the takeaway is that all Republicans are liars and Democrats almost always tell the truth. Got it.

[turtlespeed 226]

brenthutch

So the takeaway is that all Republicans are liars and Democrats almost always tell the truth. Got it.

Unless you are on the other side of the center, then it is the opposite.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[headoverheels 334]

brenthutch

So the takeaway is that all Republicans are liars and Democrats almost always tell the truth. Got it.

The general takeaway is that those who lie less have already left the race, so lying must be pretty effective.

[gowlerk 2,277]

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So the takeaway is that all Republicans are liars and Democrats almost always tell the truth. Got it.

If that's what you see, then I guess so. Sort of like "We report, you decide"

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[gowlerk 2,277]

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The general takeaway is that those who lie less have already left the race, so lying must be pretty effective.

Well then.... that's a little cynical you....you must be a lot like me.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[brenthutch 444]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?autoplay=1&v=-dY77j6uBHI

A few moments with one of the most honest politicians, according to politifact.

[gowlerk 2,277]

brenthutch

https://m.youtube.com/watch?autoplay=1&v=-dY77j6uBHI

A few moments with one of the most honest politicians, according to politifact.

You believe what you want to believe. She is probably just as slick as slick Willy though. She's going to make a very good President. And sometimes she will lie.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[ryoder 1,590]

IRS releases statement disputing Trump: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/irs-donald-trump_us_56d083b5e4b0871f60eb2c06

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[turtlespeed 226]

ryoder

IRS releases statement disputing Trump: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/irs-donald-trump_us_56d083b5e4b0871f60eb2c06

That last line is a kicker, eh?

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Goldburd added that while a tax audit is not an criminal investigation, it would still be inadvisable for Trump to release his tax information.

Well, no, it's not illegal for him to release them.

It would be extremely poor legal council.

But you knew that didn't you?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[gowlerk 2,277]

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That last line is a kicker, eh?

Editor's note: Donald Trump is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist,birther and bully who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims -- 1.6 billion members of an entire religion -- from entering the U.S.


Do ya think Ariana is mad at the Donald?

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[headoverheels 334]

ryoder

IRS releases statement disputing Trump: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/irs-donald-trump_us_56d083b5e4b0871f60eb2c06

An exchange from the comments on that article:

..Didn't know the IRS asked your religious preference

..When Trump said in that interview that he would like to bang his daughter the IRS figured he was a Christian.

[DougH 270]

I don't think any candidate should release their tax returns.

My reasoning is the misleading reporting that goes on about taxes.

The media twists and bends interpretation of taxes constantly, in a deliberate effort to mislead readers who don't have a strong grasp on taxes.

Perfect example "Bank of America made XX billion dollars and they didn't pay any US taxes in 2011"

Common newspaper reader (that has a super low effective tax rate due to our progressive tax structure) - Man that is bullshit, I pay so much in taxes, the system is rigged.

Reality - BOA has massive net operating losses from the financial crisis that reduced their regular taxable income.

I would be on board if the media wasn't so unethical about how they reported complex subjects like companies and persons tax positions.

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