Tim Cook vs the FBI

[ryoder 1,590]

FBI claims to have cracked the phone: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-has-accessed-san-bernardino-shooters-phone-without-apples-help/2016/03/28/e593a0e2-f52b-11e5-9804-537defcc3cf6_story.html

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/03/28/472192080/the-fbi-has-successfully-unlocked-the-iphone-without-apples-help

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

ryoder

FBI claims to have cracked the phone: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-has-accessed-san-bernardino-shooters-phone-without-apples-help/2016/03/28/e593a0e2-f52b-11e5-9804-537defcc3cf6_story.html

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/03/28/472192080/the-fbi-has-successfully-unlocked-the-iphone-without-apples-help

I think it was very important for the government that this case never made it through the judicial system.

If the ruling had gone against the government, it would have lost the ability to "bully" smaller companies without the cash flow to fight them.

[ryoder 1,590]

SkyDekker

***FBI claims to have cracked the phone: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-has-accessed-san-bernardino-shooters-phone-without-apples-help/2016/03/28/e593a0e2-f52b-11e5-9804-537defcc3cf6_story.html

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/03/28/472192080/the-fbi-has-successfully-unlocked-the-iphone-without-apples-help

I think it was very important for the government that this case never made it through the judicial system.

If the ruling had gone against the government, it would have lost the ability to "bully" smaller companies without the cash flow to fight them.

And had it gone for the govt, it would have set a precedent.
I've read articles arguing this was the real goal.

Edited to fix horrendous typo.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

ryoder

******FBI claims to have cracked the phone: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-has-accessed-san-bernardino-shooters-phone-without-apples-help/2016/03/28/e593a0e2-f52b-11e5-9804-537defcc3cf6_story.html

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/03/28/472192080/the-fbi-has-successfully-unlocked-the-iphone-without-apples-help

I think it was very important for the government that this case never made it through the judicial system.

If the ruling had gone against the government, it would have lost the ability to "bully" smaller companies without the cash flow to fight them.

And it it had for for the govt, it would have set a precedent.
I've read articles arguing this was the real goal.

If that was the real goal, it doesn't make sense they would have found a way to get out of the litigation.

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SkyDekker

If that was the real goal, it doesn't make sense they would have found a way to get out of the litigation.

Sure it does. Once it was known there was a third party who could help, then all the air got sucked out of their primary argument. If they had continued, they would have lost; badly. That might have also set a precedent they didn't want.

By dropping the case, they leave open the possibility of trying again later down the line.

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Sure it does. Once it was known there was a third party who could help, then all the air got sucked out of their primary argument. If they had continued, they would have lost; badly. That might have also set a precedent they didn't want.

I don't think at all it sucked the air out of their argument at all. Nor do I think the Justice Department would have ever pursued this to the end.

The ability to threaten long legal battles is much more important to the government. The reason for the lawsuit wasn't to get a decision, it was to show other companies they can and will fight them. They will even fight a monster company, of course until conveniently somebody else comes around.

The government was never going to risk their ability to "bully" over this case. AT least not in my opinion.

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SkyDekker

I don't think at all it sucked the air out of their argument at all.

Their primary argument was there was NO other way to do it. That's the only way they can invoke the All Writs act, if the ONE company is the ONLY way it can be done.

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[ryoder 1,590]

SkyDekker

If that was the real goal, it doesn't make sense they would have found a way to get out of the litigation.

See what the gov't is saying now: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/03/us-says-it-would-use-court-system-again-to-defeat-encryption/

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Of course they are saying that, fits right in with what I was saying all along. Have to keep the threat alive.

[normiss 891]

I see Korean phones in my future.

[Stumpy 284]

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***If that was the real goal, it doesn't make sense they would have found a way to get out of the litigation.

Sure it does. Once it was known there was a third party who could help, then all the air got sucked out of their primary argument. If they had continued, they would have lost; badly. That might have also set a precedent they didn't want.

By dropping the case, they leave open the possibility of trying again later down the line.

They did also get their asses handed to them by Issa on this one because they f'd up and messed with the phone early in the investigation which locked them out of it.
I think they figured things were going against them this time so they are just keeping their powder dry for a case where the court of public opinion is firmly on their side.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[normiss 891]

It would appear, as expected, there was nothing of value on the terrorist's cell phone.

[gowlerk 2,273]

Tim Cook is a little upset at the latest attack:

https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-ceo-tim-cook-calls-orlando-shooting-act-of-terrorism-and-hate/

I know the police have the shooters phone. If it's a locked Iphone do you think he should help the police retrieve the information from it?

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[JerryBaumchen 1,463]

Hi Ken,

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If it's a locked Iphone do you think he should help the police retrieve the information from it?

If they get a court order: yes.

Jerry Baumchen

[billvon 3,107]

>If it's a locked Iphone do you think he should help the police retrieve the information from it?

Help them? Yes.

Create a new tool that allows Apple to crack anyone's Iphone? No.

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gowlerk

Tim Cook is a little upset at the latest attack:

https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-ceo-tim-cook-calls-orlando-shooting-act-of-terrorism-and-hate/

I know the police have the shooters phone. If it's a locked Iphone do you think he should help the police retrieve the information from it?

From the photos posted on social media, I think this is a moot point since those don't show iPhones.

https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1442&bih=1195&q=Omar+Mateen&oq=Omar+Mateen&gs_l=img.3..0i24.2855.2855.0.3755.1.1.0.0.0.0.53.53.1.1.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.1.52.cTVFKsZa7cA

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[turtlespeed 226]

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***Tim Cook is a little upset at the latest attack:

https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-ceo-tim-cook-calls-orlando-shooting-act-of-terrorism-and-hate/

I know the police have the shooters phone. If it's a locked Iphone do you think he should help the police retrieve the information from it?

From the photos posted on social media, I think this is a moot point since those don't show iPhones.

https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1442&bih=1195&q=Omar+Mateen&oq=Omar+Mateen&gs_l=img.3..0i24.2855.2855.0.3755.1.1.0.0.0.0.53.53.1.1.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.1.52.cTVFKsZa7cA

Holy crap - he reminds me of Zimmerman. There is a look in his eyes.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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turtlespeed

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From the photos posted on social media, I think this is a moot point since those don't show iPhones.
https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1442&bih=1195&q=Omar+Mateen&oq=Omar+Mateen&gs_l=img.3..0i24.2855.2855.0.3755.1.1.0.0.0.0.53.53.1.1.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.1.52.cTVFKsZa7cA

Holy crap - he reminds me of Zimmerman. There is a look in his eyes.

Well, there is the classic sanpaku shot in there, but not all of his "looks" make him look crazy, just like a douchebag.

http://www.skepdic.com/sanpaku.html

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