Tim Cook vs the FBI

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ryoder

From The Register:
Amazon kills fondleslab file encryption with latest Fire OS update
Well, that's one way to differentiate from Apple

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/03/amazon_kills_fire_os_encryption/

Hoe Lee Fuk

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[normiss 891]

Agreed.

Where do we return the units to?

crap

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normiss

Agreed.

Where do we return the units to?

crap

File 13

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[ryoder 1,590]

ryoder

From The Register:
Amazon kills fondleslab file encryption with latest Fire OS update
Well, that's one way to differentiate from Apple

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/03/amazon_kills_fire_os_encryption/

Amazon backtracks: http://fortune.com/2016/03/05/amazon-to-restore-fire-encryption/

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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ryoder

***From The Register:
Amazon kills fondleslab file encryption with latest Fire OS update
Well, that's one way to differentiate from Apple

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/03/amazon_kills_fire_os_encryption/

Amazon backtracks: http://fortune.com/2016/03/05/amazon-to-restore-fire-encryption/

I love it - let the consumer control the market with their votes of dollars.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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turtlespeed

******From The Register:
Amazon kills fondleslab file encryption with latest Fire OS update
Well, that's one way to differentiate from Apple

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/03/amazon_kills_fire_os_encryption/

Amazon backtracks: http://fortune.com/2016/03/05/amazon-to-restore-fire-encryption/

I love it - let the consumer control the market with their votes of dollars.

Ya, nice publicity stunt...

"Amazon kills fire encryption? - What's fire encryption?"

"Ooooh look, Kindles are on sale!"

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[ryoder 1,590]

General Michael Hayden tosses a refrigerator into Hell: http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2016/03/07/fmr-nsa-cia-chief-hayden-sides-with-apple-over-feds.html

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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ryoder

General Michael Hayden tosses a refrigerator into Hell: http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2016/03/07/fmr-nsa-cia-chief-hayden-sides-with-apple-over-feds.html

I think it is a moderately brilliant ploy on the part of the Gov't, claiming "woe is me, trying to get past the brilliant security of Apple is beyond our meager abilities, etc.," while they are likely already going through the details of what was on the phone.

'Losing' the 'battle' with Apple could have people thinking "ha, ha, ha, I have all this incriminating information that the FBI can't access! I'm so smart!"

Disinformation is a key element of the cat and mouse game that is intelligence.


BSBD,

Winsor

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winsor

'Losing' the 'battle' with Apple could have people thinking "ha, ha, ha, I have all this incriminating information that the FBI can't access! I'm so smart!"

Disinformation is a key element of the cat and mouse game that is intelligence.

I think people tend to worry about the wrong things. I think your statements above sort of point this out.

I fear practically nothing from the US Government in this.

I fear quite a bit from people who would like to steal my phone and get at my credit cards and the rest of my digital life.

Unfortunately, the government having the ability to break into my phone would give huge advantages to the people I do fear.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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winsor

***General Michael Hayden tosses a refrigerator into Hell: http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2016/03/07/fmr-nsa-cia-chief-hayden-sides-with-apple-over-feds.html

I think it is a moderately brilliant ploy on the part of the Gov't, claiming "woe is me, trying to get past the brilliant security of Apple is beyond our meager abilities, etc.," while they are likely already going through the details of what was on the phone.

'Losing' the 'battle' with Apple could have people thinking "ha, ha, ha, I have all this incriminating information that the FBI can't access! I'm so smart!"

Disinformation is a key element of the cat and mouse game that is intelligence.


BSBD,

Winsor

Snowden is claiming something similar and has stated that the FBI is full of it saying they cannot get in.

[JerryBaumchen 1,464]

Hi Sky,

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that the FBI is full of it saying they cannot get in

A few days ago the WSJ had an article ( with photos & instructions ) on how get in.

Jerry Baumchen

[ryoder 1,590]

Former security official Richard A. Clarke gives his opinion to NPR: http://www.npr.org/2016/03/14/470347719/encryption-and-privacy-are-larger-issues-than-fighting-terrorism-clarke-says

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[ryoder 1,590]

Lindsay Graham switches from the FBI's side to Apple's:
http://fortune.com/2016/03/10/apple-fbi-lindsay-graham/

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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There was a good story on CBS 60 Minutes last night; an interview with Pavel Durov. He's the creator of a popular chat app that is encrypted and includes self-destructing messages; he was kicked out of Russia after refusing to censor his social media app of anti-government protests. Seems to be a smart, thoughtful guy. His app is definitely used by terrorists, along with people who simply want privacy. And the same debate were having here with Apple is being had over his apps.

Seeing the same issues through another lens is pretty thought-provoking. He said that he spends significant time going through his users and removing terrorist stuff. Even that is down this line; why is it OK that he removes terrorist stuff, but not anti-government stuff? It is, to me, but that's quite subjective nonetheless.

There are benefits to much of the software and automation we have; they can't be without downsides, and I think it's worth discussing. I'm not thrilled with terrorists having a good encrypted app. However, I'm less happy with the thought of its not being available to the rest of us.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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There was a good story on CBS 60 Minutes last night; an interview with Pavel Durov. He's come up with a chat app that is encrypted and includes self-destructing messages;

Doesn't that already exist? Mark Cuban has been going on about it for quite some time, as in more than a year.

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It's probably the same thing; I reworded for clarity.

Wendy P m

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[ryoder 1,590]

John Oliver weighs in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsjZ2r9Ygzw

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[ryoder 1,590]

http://www.wired.com/2016/03/fbi-now-says-may-crack-iphone-without-apples-help/

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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ryoder

http://www.wired.com/2016/03/fbi-now-says-may-crack-iphone-without-apples-help/

Wired won't let me read the article unless I disable my ad blocker. A little ironic, but I'm sure the story is available elsewhere.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[ryoder 1,590]

Strange.
I have an adblocker on Chrome w/o issue.
Another link: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/21/fbi-apple-court-hearing-postpone-unlock-terrorist-iphone

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[gowlerk 2,273]

I'm running AdBlock Plus on Firefox. Wired detected it and would not allow me to scroll past the first page unless I either turned it off, or agreed to pay. (Subscription, $1 per week)

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Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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gowlerk

I'm running AdBlock Plus on Firefox. Wired detected it and would not allow me to scroll past the first page unless I either turned it off, or agreed to pay. (Subscription, $1 per week)

You are canuckisatnian . . . Nuff said.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[ryoder 1,590]

Ah...I just scrolled down that page and triggered it.
I had already read the story on another lesser-known site, so I had not read all the way down.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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quade

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I can agree with the general sentiment of your post, but what would be the anticipated death toll of such a "disaster?"

Shall I do the "for want of a nail the war was lost" scenario?

Certainly you must be familiar with the concept. If not;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_Want_of_a_Nail

Okay, so . . . let's see.

Let's say you're a reasonably low level flunky at an electrical switch manufacturing plant.

Friday night you lose your phone in a bar. Some guy picks it up and immediately sells it on the black market. Another guy buys the phone and immediately begins to try to crack into it because, you know what, the information in the phone is potentially FAR more valuable than the phone itself. Lucky for that guy he also paid to get a copy of this new FBI iPhone cracking software. He's in and he just downloaded everything. Your porn, your sexts to your girlfriend, your entire collection of WHAM off iTunes. Man, this guy hit the jackpot. Well, no, not really . . . unless you happen to be like a LOT of people and keep the names and email addresses of co-workers and a bunch of password files, because, who the F can remember that crap?

So now that guy resells your contacts and passwords. THAT is the money. Why?

Industrial espionage and hackers in general.

Only he sold it to China who has a bone to pick with the US.

Hey, you know that virus Stuxnet? No? Maybe you should read about that. I'll wait.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet

Okay. Up to speed?

Guess what China wanted your work email and passwords for? They're trying to insert code into a silly $10 electrical switch being made by your company.

Why?

Hey did you know a stupid $10 electrical switch has the potential to cripple the entire US economy for 10 years? No? You didn't now that? The right cascade of failures inserted into the electrical grid could end up shutting down power for the entire country. Also, did you know a lot of things run on electricity too? Like . . . water?

Oops.

Also, do you have any idea how many people in the US might not live through it? No? Never thought about it before? Well, you're in good company really. Most people don't.

Certainly Trump hasn't.

Yep. It's entirely within the realm of possibility a compromised phone could lead to untold deaths.

Now, am I saying that is going to be the case? No.

What I'm saying is you never know which thread is going to unravel the whole thing, but I can tell you this for certain, we're safer with strong encryption than without it.

wow - It is Ryhs sock puppet come to life -

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[ryoder 1,590]

So it seems an Israeli company is assisting the FBI: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/israeli-firm-helping-fbi-open-110755086.html

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.