Should Hillery Clinton release Wall Street speach transcripts

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CanuckInUSA

Hillary Clinton should be in prison. The US Justice Department thought nothing about bringing felony charges against General David Patraeus for unauthorized removal and retention of classified information and yet do nothing regarding the security breeches Clinton has done when she used classified information on her own private email server that used only basic encryption techniques any hacker in training knows how to bridge and then lied about it. What Patreus did was wrong. But what Clinton did is an order of magnitude more dangerous. Patreus did not put lives at risk. Clinton has. But fear not. There is no way in hell US Justice Department would ever dream of charging Billary because not only would Clinton's neck be on the line, the spiderweb of the people who knew about Clinton's activities reaches deep into all levels of the Obama Administration.

Is there any wonder why stories such as this are becoming more prevalent in the news thanks to Clinton's security breeches. I have nothing against the average American citizen. But your government is pure evil and the corruption is beyond belief. When you look at who is still in the running to be the POTUS for the next 4 years you have to do perpetual face palms.

Billary Clinton ... is a criminal
Bernie Sanders ... is clueless
Donald Trump ... is a jackass
Ted Cruz ... is an asshole

This is a long video. But it just keeps getting better and better if you are not afraid to learn about the facts of how deep and dangerous Clinton's classified security breeches go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl4RQg4Qfg0

But I can't critic you Yanks too much. My own country (Canada) elected a pure idiot as PM who says "Ugh" every 5th word that comes out of his empty head all because of his last name, his purdy hair and his superior skills as the world's greatest selfie taker.

I'm team CanuckInUSA. You should enter the race as an independent. Our current administration has been wiping their asses with the Constitution, so I'm sure that pesky little natural born citizen prerequisite is moot at this point.

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rehmwa

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Hillary Clinton ... is a criminal
Bernie Sanders ... is clueless
Donald Trump ... is a jackass
Ted Cruz ... is an asshole

I approve of this summary

As do I.
That said, who would you support? I am leaning to the asshole, with clueless in a close second.

[tkhayes 348]

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Aren't pretty much all politicians? Hard to run an election campaign without contributions, unless you want to "invest" $1 billion of your own money.

pretty much the way it is. Everyone complaining about Hillary releasing 'transcripts'?

No one asking for transcripts of your current elected in-office representatives from their meetings with ALEC? hmmm......

[brenthutch 444]

She doesn't have to release them they will be leaked.

[tkhayes 348]

If they are all classified now and marked as classified, then how will they be leaked exactly?

You mean the opponents of HC (accusing Hillary of felony charges) would leak classified documents to prove that she was emailing classified documents? Well that makes a lot of sense then.

[DanG 1]

Why would transcipts of speeches given to private organizations after Clinton left office be classified?

I really can't understand why this is even an issue.

- Dan G

[brenthutch 444]

Drink some coffee.
Payed speeches given to Wall Street fat cats are not state secrets.

[normiss 893]

So why are so many people wanting her to release transcripts?
If you're hired by a private firm to speak at one of their events, why does that need to be public information?

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brenthutch

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Hillary Clinton ... is a criminal
Bernie Sanders ... is clueless
Donald Trump ... is a jackass
Ted Cruz ... is an asshole

I approve of this summary

As do I.
That said, who would you support? I am leaning to the asshole, with clueless in a close second.

the asshole is pretty much a social conservative - which we need like a swimming pool of shit. (Rubio starting to look that way too).

I had to think about it a lot - In Minnesota - we survived Jesse Ventura relatively unscathed. And blunt speech is entertaining. Of them all, I'd think congress would feel enabled to actively throttle back the damage of Trump more than anyone - and with the least public backlash - and those things he's tries that are completely nuts, would be much easier to identify and block. He's not the 'lesser' of all the evils, but he would be the easiest for congress to stop the damage.

Hillary and Cruz are so much business as usual that we'd continue to dive into the hell hole and wouldn't know the difference between them and our last two guys.
Bernie just might get his way a couple of times - the world economy would pay the price for decades.

I'm hoping for another choice still......

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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rehmwa

Of them all, I'd think congress would feel enabled to actively throttle back the damage of Trump more than anyone - and with the least public backlash - and those things he's tries that are completely nuts, would be much easier to identify and block. He's not the 'lesser' of all the evils, but he would be the easiest for congress to stop the damage.

Bernie just might get his way a couple of times - the world economy would pay the price for decades.

I'm hoping for another choice still......

Good post overall, but with regard to the part above - though I get your point - I think you'd have a have a hard time convincing liberals and college students that Bernie would cause more damage than Trump should it come down to those two.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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tkhayes

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Aren't pretty much all politicians? Hard to run an election campaign without contributions, unless you want to "invest" $1 billion of your own money.

pretty much the way it is. Everyone complaining about Hillary releasing 'transcripts'?

No one asking for transcripts of your current elected in-office representatives from their meetings with ALEC? hmmm......

Why is he meeting with one of the Baldwin brothers?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Of them all, I'd think congress would feel enabled to actively throttle back the damage of Trump more than anyone . . .

You have far more trust in Congress than I do.

"Hey, guys, let me ban Muslim immigration and I'll let you repeal Obamacare! It's a win-win, except for those filthy terrorists, am I right?" Sounds like it would be right up their alley.

If anything, Bernie or Hilary is going to get much more pushback from Congress than any GOP candidate. Congress will treat either one of them like Obama II. So if enforcing ineffectiveness is what you want, a democratic candidate is your best bet.

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Coreeece

Good post overall, but with regard to the part above - though I get your point - I think you'd have a have a hard time convincing liberals and college students that Bernie would cause more damage than Trump should it come down to those two.

I don't have to convince them of anything - just how I'd vote. This is just my opinion on what his philosophy would do to us - and the fact that the public is primed to let much of it happen - free stuff and blame is an easy marketing technique. They will believe what they want to believe. As will the rest of us.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[DanG 1]

I agree that Congress would likely keep both Sanders and Trump from implementing much policy. What really scares me about Trump, however, is that a president doesn't need Congress' approval for his conduct of foreign policy. Trump would be a foreign policy nightmare. In recent years it seems like a president doesn't even need Congress to go to war, so long as he claims it is terrorism related. I can seriously see Trump involving us in very serious foreign policy issues, including major combat, that we have no business being in. Sanders doesn't seem all that concerned with foreign policy, although his domestic agenda is ridiculous.

- Dan G

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free stuff and blame is an easy marketing technique.

You might be missing very much of the motivation for many to support Sanders, nor does it speak very highly of your fellow country men and women.

Many people don't want a hand out, they don't want free stuff. They want a fair shake. For probably the first time a whole generation is convinced that they will not do better than their parents, no matter how hard they work.

To them the American Dream is dead.

The majority of his supporters don't want to sit around, do nothing and get a minimal amount of money. They want the exact opposite. They want to be able to get a chance to work hard and make it.

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brenthutch

Drink some coffee.
Payed speeches given to Wall Street fat cats are not state secrets.

I realize that, however the conversation at one point did digress back to HC's email issues and her needing to be in jail so I was commenting on that - which is pretty much the core of the thread anyway...

[tkhayes 348]

SkyDekker

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free stuff and blame is an easy marketing technique.

You might be missing very much of the motivation for many to support Sanders, nor does it speak very highly of your fellow country men and women.

Many people don't want a hand out, they don't want free stuff. They want a fair shake. For probably the first time a whole generation is convinced that they will not do better than their parents, no matter how hard they work.

To them the American Dream is dead.

The majority of his supporters don't want to sit around, do nothing and get a minimal amount of money. They want the exact opposite. They want to be able to get a chance to work hard and make it.

Bingo - and I think people feel that their struggle is pretty futile. No one disagrees that the Middle class has been decimated. Each side disagrees as to how we got there and what is needed to fix it.

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DanG

I agree that Congress would likely keep both Sanders and Trump from implementing much policy. What really scares me about Trump, however, is that a president doesn't need Congress' approval for his conduct of foreign policy. Trump would be a foreign policy nightmare. In recent years it seems like a president doesn't even need Congress to go to war, so long as he claims it is terrorism related. I can seriously see Trump involving us in very serious foreign policy issues, including major combat, that we have no business being in. Sanders doesn't seem all that concerned with foreign policy, although his domestic agenda is ridiculous.

agree with all this

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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tkhayes

***Drink some coffee.
Payed speeches given to Wall Street fat cats are not state secrets.

I realize that, however the conversation at one point did digress back to HC's email issues and her needing to be in jail so I was commenting on that - which is pretty much the core of the thread anyway...

Sorry, the "RE Brenthutch" thing made me think you were commenting on my post. That said, do you think she needs to disclose her speeches?

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tkhayes

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free stuff and blame is an easy marketing technique.

You might be missing very much of the motivation for many to support Sanders, nor does it speak very highly of your fellow country men and women.

Many people don't want a hand out, they don't want free stuff. They want a fair shake. For probably the first time a whole generation is convinced that they will not do better than their parents, no matter how hard they work.

To them the American Dream is dead.

The majority of his supporters don't want to sit around, do nothing and get a minimal amount of money. They want the exact opposite. They want to be able to get a chance to work hard and make it.

Bingo - and I think people feel that their struggle is pretty futile. No one disagrees that the Middle class has been decimated. Each side disagrees as to how we got there and what is needed to fix it.

SD - TK - I'm sorry, but y'all are just simply wrong.

You can find work to work hard at and succeed, unless you only do it half assed.
I am living proof, and so is my daughter.

The fact is - if you have the can do attitude, you can make it - if you have the entitlement attitude - you just won't.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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You might be living proof, and good for you, but there are probably millions that are working just as hard as you are and don't share your success

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SD - TK - I'm sorry, but y'all are just simply wrong.

You can find work to work hard at and succeed, unless you only do it half assed.
I am living proof, and so is my daughter.

The fact is - if you have the can do attitude, you can make it - if you have the entitlement attitude - you just won't.

Yes, if you are ambitious, smart, and a little lucky, or at least not unlucky you can do well. But in the past you only needed to be willing to work to have a good lifestyle in America. That's no longer good enough, and that is what people resent.

That's why all the talk about the 1% etc. Most people understand that bank CEOs work harder, and for many reasons deserve more than Walmart shelf stockers. But the current system does not pay shelf stockers enough to live on.

This imbalance is and will continue to cause resentment and social unrest. If it gets worse, like it appears to be, it's going to cause even more unrest. The pie is still expanding in America for now, but many are just getting crumbs. Even if they do work. And I'm not sure what can be done to change it. I can see the problem, but not the solution.

But one thing for sure, universal health care would go a long way. As it stands too many people are ruined by random health events that end up rippling across the lives of their families. Universal health care IS an expensive social program, but it's also an investment in people. What is a country for, it's companies or it's people?

Oh, I forgot. Companies are people in the USA!

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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tkhayes

You might be living proof, and good for you, but there are probably millions that are working just as hard as you are and don't share your success

I don't know very many people that put the really long hours these days. I do it. It is how it is right now, because I am learning a specific set of "how to" rules that have been perfected into a working model of how to get to the final product on time and under budget.

I have been known to work over 24 hours straight through, so that we meet a schedule and a goal. NONE of the subcontractors work that way, nor do they want to. I'm willing and able to do it. The other guys in the company I work for, didn't or wouldn't do that, missed their schedules, didn't meet their quotas, and didn't get to fly First Class to Vegas for the conference. Most didn't even get to go to the conference. They didn't get the bonus, and didn't get the raise, they got "You know you can do better.", and "All you have to do is what it takes."

When I was a video guy, I saw the people that hustled. They got the most videos, and in turn, they made the most money. The guys that didn't want to hustle back to the editing room to finish their video, and get the next possible load, didn't get the numbers, and thus for those willing, and/or smart enough to adapt and come up with a system that works, get left on lower rungs of the ladder. I was very guilty of that at times, I thought I was adding a level of "artistic flair", when in reality I was simply giving the same video with what "I wanted" in it, not necessarily what the customer wanted. Usually what the customer wanted was speed. I learned from that. I stopped having unhappy customer, and put the video out faster. Everyone was happier. I made more money.

I saw packers that took less breaks, and worked later than others, packing while everyone else enjoyed the beer light, make more money. The people willing to do what they do in a rush, and with the right attitude, got bigger tips. I have seen the right personalities get picked more for AFF instruction. I have seen certain Tamndem instructors make more because they hustled, and had the right attitude.

Would you really want to tell those people that their efforts mean less and everyone should be more equal?

Life is, and never will be, "Fair". You have to make the effort, realize what successful people do in your field to succeed, and emulate them. Rarely has anything in the world of work not been done before.

I know I'm not the first to work really long hours. I just learned that you do what you have to do to get done what needs done so you can meet your expectations, goals, and requirements. Or - you can be ordinary. Your choice. It is ALWAYS the choice of the individual to succeed or not.

Yes, I am aware there may be extenuating circumstances, but for the most part - you can make your own luck if you are willing to put forth the effort.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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turtlespeed

It is ALWAYS the choice of the individual to succeed or not.

Yes, I am aware there may be extenuating circumstances, but for the most part - you can make your own luck if you are willing to put forth the effort.

That depends entirely on your definition of success.
There are plenty out there who put the time in, work ridiculously hard in low paid but essential jobs, and still live paycheck to paycheck. These are the ones that often get painted as lazy/ worthless/ useless by those in congress.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

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Stumpy

***It is ALWAYS the choice of the individual to succeed or not.

Yes, I am aware there may be extenuating circumstances, but for the most part - you can make your own luck if you are willing to put forth the effort.

That depends entirely on your definition of success.
There are plenty out there who put the time in, work ridiculously hard in low paid but essential jobs, and still live paycheck to paycheck. These are the ones that often get painted as lazy/ worthless/ useless by those in congress.

I have not ever seen anyone work rediculously hard.

I have seen people waste their time working, and it was rediculous.

What is rediculously hard? Showing up and doing the job you are being paid to do for 8 hours 5 days a week? The job you agreed to do?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun