More 1033 program uses

[wmw999 2,600]

Sex is more frowned of here than almost anywhere in the world. There are lots of things that aren't necessary; few of the non-destructive ones are vilified.

I wonder if vilifying sex is kind of like hoping that not teaching your kids about procreation will prevent pregnancy.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Coreeece 2]

wmw999

Sex is more frowned of here than almost anywhere in the world. There are lots of things that aren't necessary; few of the non-destructive ones are vilified

I don't think people vilify it as much as they mock or ridicule it - take for example the "eyes on the road" thread in the bonfire where the guy killed himself in a jerking and driving accident.

It's natural to laugh and ridicule this type of sexual behavior - it has nothing to do with anybody's religious views or how one was raised. It takes people like you to go around the internet trying to convince people that there is nothing funny or wrong about it - "it's natural, it's just like going to the bathroom." Ya right, tell that to Paul Reuben. If he had urinated in public, we'd still be watching reruns of pee wee's playhouse.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[turtlespeed 226]

What I find the most ironic and disturbing here, is that a while ago, I was told, after a comment about Hillary and her stances, that actuall did have relevance to the thread, I was to start my own thread if I wanted it changed from the original topic.

Isn't that exactly the opposite of what is happening here?

Where are the underlying threats? Where are the innuendos of being banned if we don't return this thread back on track?

I guess you have to be a moderator to decide what thread here is supposed to be on topic and if you don't like what a poster says in an attempt to show correlation of the the corruption of their choice of candidate or politician - you get warned, and banned.

Ain't it grand?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[turtlespeed 226]

So here is a video -

It seems the reasoning is sound -

But hey - what's another executive order for more regulation between rescuers and protectors?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[rehmwa 2]

SkyDekker

to tell everyone what is and isn't allowed
Because that is the role of government really.

I'm ok that you seem to want to group people that have a true belief in Libertarianism in with Republicans (and Democrats) that try to use it as a crutch - or to rationalize specific positions that appear libertarian, though they support them to drive their own agendas, not personal freedom. I think it's over simplified and avoids the topic, but I'm not too surprised about the approach - classic SC.

But the above....I don't really know where to start with this one.....There is such a HUGE distinction between upholding laws that protect us from others that are predators vs a couple parties that are trying to force feed the public social visions that are in direct conflict with the idea that we should be individually self deterministic and responsible for ourselves.

I'll oversimplify to, just for the fun of it.

Individualism: On one side: belief in individual liberty and self determination. with responsibility. For ourselves, but our own limits are defined by believing this applies to all others too. Nation of individuals, equality.

vs

Group focus: a couple of social philosophies that try to fit people into specific molds with blatant policies to specifically benefit specific classes at the direct expense of others. My problem is mostly that, at best, it pits subgroups against each other, while the positive vision requires a view that ALL of society is ONE group that should be optimized - good idea, but a FAIL in reality. It doesn't happen in real life


This is where someone throws the 'all or nothing' strawman accusation at me. Let's just say we are dramatically lacking in proportion from that first group to offset those in the 2nd group - small tastes of the 2nd group has benefits, we are way beyond small tastes.

those Dems and Reps that want to argue that "THEIR side truly represents the first group" need not apply. The response is canned laughter and applause - we've seen that skit.

...
Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[gowlerk 2,283]

Humans are social animals that live in groups, form tribes and societies. This comes with rules, taboos, and responsibilities. There will always be a tension between individualism and collectivism. No man is an island. You can not enjoy the things you love without the tribe to support you.

There is no right answer to this tension. Individuals drive us forward and are our innovators. But they must always build on what came before them. But be careful what you wish for.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[rehmwa 2]

gowlerk

Humans are social animals that live in groups, form tribes and societies. This comes with rules, taboos, and responsibilities. There will always be a tension between individualism and collectivism. No man is an island. You can not enjoy the things you love without the tribe to support you.

There is no right answer to this tension. Individuals drive us forward and are our innovators. But they must always build on what came before them. But be careful what you wish for.

Good post...but there is a right answer, it's that very tension you bring up. The bad answer is when that tension is out of whack.

I wish for a better balance where that tension is useful and productive, rather than exploitative and subjective.

I don't think I need to be careful wishing for that.

Strangely enough, a desire for short term relief at the expense of the long term can be driven by a bad/abuse application of either philosophy. Take a look around and see which philosophy is driving the world to economic ruin - that'll let us know which way we are out of balance. I bet the hard cores will all come up with whatever conclusion they prefer. you know my bias.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[skycop 0]

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/local/article38863074.html

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[raftman 12]

If they are so valuable as rescue vehicles, why not give them to the FD rather than the PD?

[skycop 0]

In most cases they share with the FD in rescue scenarios,
http://www.pnj.com/story/news/2014/08/07/gulf-breeze-humvee/13747557/

In the above case using Humvees, in the MRAP's case, when the bullets start flying, the rescue aspect changes, although there are normally medics in the MRAP in either case.

The Radley Balko's of the world simply ignore what the actual uses are, and stick to hyperbole.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[normiss 905]

Hyperbole?
Like the bullets flying comments?
Is that a normal flood rescue situation?


Great use of the vehicles to be sure.

[skycop 0]

They do fly, see attached pics, it's not hyperbole when it's real.
In the case of the pics, it was also IED's and a paramedic was shot.
The use in floods was envisioned as well, it's just a 5 ton truck body with an armored capsule. The weight makes it better for swift water rescues.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[turtlespeed 226]

skycop

They do fly, see attached pics, it's not hyperbole when it's real.
In the case of the pics, it was also IED's and a paramedic was shot.
The use in floods was envisioned as well, it's just a 5 ton truck body with an armored capsule. The weight makes it better for swift water rescues.

Dude - you know tat the cops signed up to be shot. They should have let themselves be shot. If they arrested anyone for shooting at them and the cops not dying, then the cops should be indicted.

So unfair to be able to stop bullets without using your flesh.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[normiss 905]

Holy sheet!
The most bizarre part of that, I used to rent one of the stalls near that shootout (no flooding though ) to build my hot rod and a couple of bikes.
This was at a storage facility on Wrecker Highway between Auburndale and Winter Haven.
That was a hell of a shootout, fire, suicide incident. Dumb ass sure left a mess.

[skycop 0]

We used one in our area as well.
The guy shot out a couple spot lights, I have a few friends who were inside the thing as bullets were pinging off the armor.
It's not hyperbole, using these trucks the way they are being used now was called being resourceful, now it's a conspiracy.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[billvon 3,131]

>If they are so valuable as rescue vehicles, why not give them to the FD
>rather than the PD?

What? You think there might be more appropriate uses?

Why do you hate the police?

[raftman 12]

I don't hate 'em, I just don't trust 'em!

[skycop 0]

https://thehayride.com/2016/08/police-militarization-has-saved-lives-in-the-louisiana-flooding/#comments

You can tell by the tone of the article that this guy was not a fan of the 1033 Program, but he sees the actual uses.
Notice this hasn't received hardly any traction by national news outlets, it doesn't fit the underlying narrative of the national media.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[BIGUN 1,502]

LMAO

IRONY: Tractor doing the MWRAP job in the pic.

Just had to poke atchya on that one.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[skycop 0]

There isn't an MRAP in the pictures, there are 2.5 and 5 ton trucks. But they are painted in the evil OD green.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[BIGUN 1,502]

After 20 years in the Army, I can identify a deuce and a half and a 5 ton. The general conversation of the thread was regarding MRAPs. I was giving you a hard time in jest. Lighten up or I'll propose a surplus farm equipment to cops program and use your article in the proposal.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[skycop 0]

You laugh,
But there already is a surplus tractor program , I was looking at one a few months back. It was so nice someone in the DoD snagged it up (it's their stuff, they get it first).
Remember 96% of the stuff acquired is "non-military grade".
I'm getting 20 first aid kits this week, they look to be in new/unused condition. The shelf life expired on one piece so they were turned in. They are 200 bucks each.
We will increase our capabilities, the only cost, prolly two tanks of gas and my time.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"