kallend 2,144 #401 March 23, 2016 images.washingtonpost.com/?url=https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp-content/uploads/sites/43/2016/03/201512-201602.gif&op=noop Looks pretty warm to me, except off Greenland and Antarctica where melting ice runoff leaves cool blobs on the ocean surface.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #402 March 23, 2016 kallendimages.washingtonpost.com/?url=https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp-content/uploads/sites/43/2016/03/201512-201602.gif&op=noop Looks pretty warm to me, except off Greenland and Antarctica where melting ice runoff leaves cool blobs on the ocean surface. Yep.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,100 #403 March 23, 2016 From National Geographic: ==================== Earth Hasn’t Heated Up This Fast Since the Dinosaurs’ End People are sending carbon into the atmosphere ten times faster than during the hottest period in the past 66 million years. PUBLISHED Mon Mar 21 12:00:00 EDT 2016 National Geographic Carbon is pouring into the atmosphere faster than at any time in the past 66 million years—since the dinosaurs went extinct—according to a new analysis of the geologic record. The carbon emissions rate is ten times greater today than during the prehistoric hot period that is the closest precedent for today's greenhouse warming. That period, known as the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM), was marked by a massive release of the Earth's natural carbon stores into the atmosphere. (It’s not clear what caused the PETM, but volcanic eruptions and methane gas release are suspects.) The excess carbon triggered a 5°C (9°F) temperature increase, along with drought, floods and extinctions. The new analysis of the sediment record concludes that the carbon rush at the start of the PETM extended over at least 4,000 years. That translates to about 1.1 additional gigatons of carbon per year. Today, fossil fuel burning and other human activity release 10 gigatons of carbon annually. Richard Zeebe, an oceanographer at the University of Hawaii at Manoa, who led the research published Monday in Nature Geoscience, said the findings show the challenge for predicting how the planet will change. "It means we don't have a really good analog in the past for the massive amount of carbon we're releasing," he said. "Even if we look at the PETM and say the transition to a warmer climate may have been relatively smooth, there's no guarantee for the future." . . . The new estimate of the rate of carbon release at the PETM onset is similar to that found in 2011 by a team led by Pennsylvania State University. The Penn State group based their sediment analysis on what is known as an "age model;" they dated a sediment core sample drilled in Norway based on physicists' recreation of the rhythms of Earth's orbit around the sun. Slight changes in that orbit leave a pattern of iron concentrations in the sediment. Lee Kump, head of geosciences at Penn State, said he was "heartened" that the new approach arrived at numbers in line with his team's estimates, although he noted both papers come to the same conclusion. =============== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,144 #404 March 23, 2016 turtlespeed***images.washingtonpost.com/?url=https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp-content/uploads/sites/43/2016/03/201512-201602.gif&op=noop Looks pretty warm to me, except off Greenland and Antarctica where melting ice runoff leaves cool blobs on the ocean surface. Yep. Meaningless drivel - no scale on the axes, no source cited, undefined units... But probably the best you can do.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #405 March 23, 2016 kallend******images.washingtonpost.com/?url=https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp-content/uploads/sites/43/2016/03/201512-201602.gif&op=noop Looks pretty warm to me, except off Greenland and Antarctica where melting ice runoff leaves cool blobs on the ocean surface. Yep. Meaningless drivel - no scale on the axes, no source cited, undefined units... But probably the best you can do. Still, though, it's better than you did. I actually created my own - you could only copy and paste, eh gov-nah'?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,100 #406 March 23, 2016 >Still, though, it's better than you did. I actually created my own Good for you! Attached is reality (i.e. not made up.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,269 #407 March 23, 2016 QuoteMeaningless drivel - no scale on the axes, no source cited, undefined units... But probably the best you can do. Come on John, give him a break. It clearly says "sporkforge.com" in the lower right corner of the graphic. How much documentation do you need?Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #408 March 23, 2016 billvon>Still, though, it's better than you did. I actually created my own Good for you! Attached is reality (i.e. not made up.) How do you know? Did you do the research yourself?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,100 #409 March 23, 2016 >How do you know? >Did you do the research yourself? Nope. I've never gone in either, but I still teach students that it is, in general, a bad thing. I trust the research on that. Heck, I've never replicated Maxwell's research, either - but I make pretty good money using his laws to design antennas, wireless chargers and transformers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #410 March 23, 2016 billvon>How do you know? >Did you do the research yourself? Nope. I've never gone in either, but I still teach students that it is, in general, a bad thing. I trust the research on that. Heck, I've never replicated Maxwell's research, either - but I make pretty good money using his laws to design antennas, wireless chargers and transformers. AH. SO YOU DON'T KNOW! You only believe. Ron believes stuff too.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,100 #411 March 23, 2016 >AH. SO YOU DON'T KNOW! You only believe. Yes. I don't know that Maxwell's equations are correct, I only believe. I also believe in gravity, the strong and weak forces, and the heliocentric model of the solar system - even though I have never been to the Sun. How liberating it must be for you to not believe such tripe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #412 March 23, 2016 billvon>AH. SO YOU DON'T KNOW! You only believe. Yes. I don't know that Maxwell's equations are correct, I only believe. I also believe in gravity, the strong and weak forces, and the heliocentric model of the solar system - even though I have never been to the Sun. How liberating it must be for you to not believe such tripe. How do you know what I do and don't believe?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,100 #413 March 23, 2016 >How do you know what I do and don't believe? I don't. But I am pretty sure you have never done fundamental research on gravity or EM radiation, so you must rely entirely on belief in terms of your decisions on whether or not those things exist. And based on your disdain towards people who just believe things, you'd pretty much not have to believe them. Unless, of course, you believe only those parts of science that agree with your political leanings, and disbelieve the rest. That would seem hypocritical to me, but as others have pointed out, I am something of a factinista on the nerd patrol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #414 March 24, 2016 billvon >How do you know what I do and don't believe? I don't. But I am pretty sure you have never done fundamental research on gravity or EM radiation, so you must rely entirely on belief in terms of your decisions on whether or not those things exist. And based on your disdain towards people who just believe things, you'd pretty much not have to believe them. Unless, of course, you believe only those parts of science that agree with your political leanings, and disbelieve the rest. That would seem hypocritical to me, but as others have pointed out, I am something of a factinista on the nerd patrol. Well said - Point Duck.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,144 #415 March 25, 2016 I read today that Scotland has now gone coal-free in electrical generation.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,269 #416 March 25, 2016 kallend I read today that Scotland has now gone coal-free in electrical generation. Interesting. Alarmist take...http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/03/24/3763158/scotland-closes-last-coal-plant/ Deadender take.....http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/energy/11139853/Scotland-power-shortage-warning-as-coal-plant-faces-closure.htmlAlways remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,144 #417 March 25, 2016 Latest survey of meteorologists: gmuchss.az1.qualtrics.com/CP/File.php?F=F_cRR9lW0HjZaiVV3... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,269 #418 March 25, 2016 kallendLatest survey of meteorologists: gmuchss.az1.qualtrics.com/CP/File.php?F=F_cRR9lW0HjZaiVV3 Quote 1% think climate change isn’t happening. Here you go. New meaning for the term "one percenter"Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #419 March 25, 2016 gowlerk***Latest survey of meteorologists: gmuchss.az1.qualtrics.com/CP/File.php?F=F_cRR9lW0HjZaiVV3 Quote 1% think climate change isn’t happening. Here you go. New meaning for the term "one percenter" which is exactly why the alarmists muddy the water with the verbage used. the climate changes It has been doing so since the beginning The issue is whether man is affecting the change Nothing new here Move along Cause it is disgustingly dishonest on your part"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #420 March 25, 2016 gowlerk***Latest survey of meteorologists: gmuchss.az1.qualtrics.com/CP/File.php?F=F_cRR9lW0HjZaiVV3 Quote 1% think climate change isn’t happening. Here you go. New meaning for the term "one percenter" which is exactly why the alarmists muddy the water with the verbage used. the climate changes It has been doing so since the beginning The issue is whether man is affecting the change Nothing new here Move along Cause it is disgustingly dishonest way to approach the issue"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #421 March 25, 2016 gowlerk*** I read today that Scotland has now gone coal-free in electrical generation. Interesting. Alarmist take...http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/03/24/3763158/scotland-closes-last-coal-plant/ Deadender take.....http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/energy/11139853/Scotland-power-shortage-warning-as-coal-plant-faces-closure.html Coal is being less used here too Nothing wrong with that if you are ok with your prices going up faster than they need to because of the alarmist lies"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,100 #422 March 25, 2016 >Coal is being less used here too Yep. Less particulate pollution - and fewer dead Americans as a result - is a good thing overall. >Nothing wrong with that if you are ok with your prices going up faster than they need to Except it isn't, due to cheap natural gas. From the EIA short-term energy outlook: ============= Electricity Average wholesale power prices this winter have been lower than in recent years in response to sustained low natural gas prices and warmer-than-normal temperatures in many areas of the country, which have lowered electricity demand. The average on-peak prices in the ISO New England and PJM day-ahead power markets both averaged about $30 per megawatthour (MWh) last month, which is 76% and 66% lower, respectively, than average wholesale power prices in February 2015. ============== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,144 #423 March 25, 2016 billvon>Coal is being less used here too Yep. Less particulate pollution - and fewer dead Americans as a result - is a good thing overall. >Nothing wrong with that if you are ok with your prices going up faster than they need to Except it isn't, due to cheap natural gas. From the EIA short-term energy outlook: ============= Electricity Average wholesale power prices this winter have been lower than in recent years in response to sustained low natural gas prices and warmer-than-normal temperatures in many areas of the country, which have lowered electricity demand. The average on-peak prices in the ISO New England and PJM day-ahead power markets both averaged about $30 per megawatthour (MWh) last month, which is 76% and 66% lower, respectively, than average wholesale power prices in February 2015. ============== Factinista!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #424 March 25, 2016 billvon >Coal is being less used here too Yep. Less particulate pollution - and fewer dead Americans as a result - is a good thing overall. >Nothing wrong with that if you are ok with your prices going up faster than they need to Except it isn't, due to cheap natural gas. From the EIA short-term energy outlook: ============= Electricity Average wholesale power prices this winter have been lower than in recent years in response to sustained low natural gas prices and warmer-than-normal temperatures in many areas of the country, which have lowered electricity demand. The average on-peak prices in the ISO New England and PJM day-ahead power markets both averaged about $30 per megawatthour (MWh) last month, which is 76% and 66% lower, respectively, than average wholesale power prices in February 2015. ============== Due to gas prices because of fracking Electricity is about to go up rapidly to cover the costs of the new gas plants required because of the lies of the alarmists Coal costs are going down rapidly due to lower demand because of the alarmist This is bubble that is about to explode Fuel costs are a direct pass through in many tarrifs Clock is ticking....... and if oil stays too much below 60 bucks a barrel gas prices will rise rapidly making the price hikes of electicity even more alarming"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,269 #425 March 25, 2016 Quoteand if oil stays too much below 60 bucks a barrel gas prices will rise rapidly making the price hikes of electicity even more alarming Ha! Who is being alarmist now? Marc is!Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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