2015 sets new record for warming

[rushmc 23]

normiss

Given the way you wrote it, I would have to agree.

such a great contributor

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 886]

The irony, there it is!

[rushmc 23]

normiss

The irony, there it is!

You got this right

Like the idiot bait!!!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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The set up you have right now puts no dollars in the utility coffers to cover that maintenance

Isn't that what his monthly connection fee should be going towards?

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

DanG

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The set up you have right now puts no dollars in the utility coffers to cover that maintenance

Isn't that what his monthly connection fee should be going towards?

Not normally (but states do differ)

Usually the monthly fee is to offset the administrative costs of the service

KWH rates usually hold the fees to cover the maintenance of the service

It is done this way so that everyone covers their own costs


Look at it this way

the utility company needs to build the service to you to cover your MAX usage at a given point in time

this is the same for building generation to cover peak usage.

Covering peak requirements cost huge amounts of money when compared to what it would take to build for middle to average usage

This disparity is covered (commercially anyway) by having a multiplier on the account based on their max KW of load. This is known as demand billing.

There will be some changes to the demand I think because in like Bill's case, he has very little KW demand but, the utilities still need to recover costs that are associated with providing him with a connection to the grid.

I think it may move more toward what is called billing for excess facilities. And this is paying for infrastructure built to provide service but does not generate enough electrical usage to cover the capital or O and M costs of the line

One bet I will make

When these rate proposals start being sent to the utility boards, it is going to get very loud.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,100]

>the utility company needs to build the service to you to cover your MAX usage
>at a given point in time

>this is the same for building generation to cover peak usage.

>Covering peak requirements cost huge amounts of money when compared to
>what it would take to build for middle to average usage

Exactly. So if lots of people adopt load-reducing, load-shifting or peak generation systems, then those huge amounts of money are no longer needed since peaks are reduced. Peak loads go down, the utility saves money and everyone wins.

Which is why most utilities have incentives to implement the above.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>the utility company needs to build the service to you to cover your MAX usage
>at a given point in time

>this is the same for building generation to cover peak usage.

>Covering peak requirements cost huge amounts of money when compared to
>what it would take to build for middle to average usage

Exactly. So if lots of people adopt load-reducing, load-shifting or peak generation systems, then those huge amounts of money are no longer needed since peaks are reduced. Peak loads go down, the utility saves money and everyone wins.

Which is why most utilities have incentives to implement the above.

I do not disagree
However
A grid will be needed that is different from todays grid

We are already starting building to cover that which can not be covered today

while what you post looks simple, it is not
It takes different controls, fusing and coordination.
Where we had small conductors today that are single phase may need to be up sized and upgraded to three phase.

A lot will depend on the area

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,100]

>A grid will be needed that is different from todays grid

That's definitely true. It will need to be more intelligent and will need to supply better/faster signals to generators, VAR providers, distributed generation, loads, ramp-up suppliers etc.

>while what you post looks simple, it is not

Also agreed there. Control of AC grids is not a simple topic. This will get easier as we transition to DC transmission and distribution, but we are at least a decade away from a significant move in that direction.

>Where we had small conductors today that are single phase may need to be up
>sized and upgraded to three phase.

In some cases. In other cases, the requirement to move current (which drives conductor size) will go down as operating voltages go up and load management becomes more effective.

[rushmc 23]

Oh oh

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Tony Heller at Real Science blog is countering the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's claim that 2015 was the "hottest year ever" and accusing them of suppressing data that would show that the Earth in fact hasn't experienced any warming over the last 58 years.

Radiosonde data that was referenced during NOAA's recent press briefing on climate change showed only the last 37 years in the graph, according to Heller. And he gives a clue as to why:


The earlier data showed as much pre-1979 cooling as the post-1979 warming.

So, Heller explained that he combined the two graphs at the same scale and found that the earth's atmosphere "has not warmed at all since the late 1950s."

"The omission of this data from the NOAA report, is just their latest attempt to defraud the public," Heller states. "NOAA’s best data shows no warming for 60 years."

"But it gets worse," he adds. "The graph in the NOAA report shows about 0.5C warming from 1979 to 2010, but their original published data shows little warming during that period."

Other charts included on the Real Science blog shows how much the NOAA has altered temperature data to show an increase in temps and therefore "prove" global warming. But Heller has called them out:


Due to Urban Heat Island Effects, the NOAA surface data shows nearly one degree warming from 1979 to 2010, but their original radiosonde data showed little warming during that time. Global warming theory is based on troposphere warming, which is why the radiosonde data should be used by modelers – instead of the UHI contaminated surface data.

NOAA's efforts are keeping in step with President Obama's continued talking point that the last few years have been the hottest on record. It's no wonder why they have to obscure the data.

A judge just ordered NOAA to release all emails regarding this topic
They have been fighting this for months

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[gowlerk 2,269]

Tony Heller at Real Science blog

You are quoting a self promoting fanatic who can't even use his real name most of the time. "Real Science Blog". How come you always quote loose cannons and not real scientists?

Is this the best you can do? More deadenders?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Goddard


This guy is so far out that he even claims to understand the climate on Venus.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[kallend 2,144]

gowlerk

Tony Heller at Real Science blog

You are quoting a self promoting fanatic who can't even use his real name most of the time. "Real Science Blog". How come you always quote loose cannons and not real scientists?

Is this the best you can do? More deadenders?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Goddard


This guy is so far out that he even claims to understand the climate on Venus.

With a BS in geology from Arizona State University and a Master's degree in electrical engineering from Rice University he's clearly a "Real Scientist (TM)" and an expert in atmospheric physics.

When even Anthony Watts and Judith Curry call his claims "bogus" you know he's the anomaly.

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[wmw999 2,577]

Is it where the degrees are from that you're objecting to, or what the degrees are in?

Wendy P.
(Rice grad

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

gowlerk

Tony Heller at Real Science blog

You are quoting a self promoting fanatic who can't even use his real name most of the time. "Real Science Blog". How come you always quote loose cannons and not real scientists?

Is this the best you can do? More deadenders?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Goddard


This guy is so far out that he even claims to understand the climate on Venus.

I will bet you think Mann is a credible scientist

Talk about deadenders

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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rushmc

***Tony Heller at Real Science blog

You are quoting a self promoting fanatic who can't even use his real name most of the time. "Real Science Blog". How come you always quote loose cannons and not real scientists?

Is this the best you can do? More deadenders?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Goddard


This guy is so far out that he even claims to understand the climate on Venus.

I will bet you think Mann is a credible scientist

Talk about deadenders

Notice they didn't play the ball - they played the player.

Nothing about the content - just the person that made the claims.

If he was from MIT they would find a way to discredit him.

If NOAA came out and said the hole thing was a cooked up hoax, they would try their damndest to discredit NOAA.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,100]

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Tony Heller at Real Science blog is countering the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's claim that 2015 was the "hottest year ever" and accusing them of suppressing data that would show that the Earth in fact hasn't experienced any warming over the last 58 years.

Meanwhile from Alaska:
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Alaska’s Iditarod race has to truck in snow
March 02, 2016, 05:00 AM The Associated Press

ANCHORAGE, Alaska — A lack of snow in Alaska’s largest city is forcing organizers of the famous Iditarod Trail Sled Dog Race to ship tons of it by train for the event’s ceremonial start.

The mild winter in Anchorage also could mean a shorter version of the 11-mile route for the fan-friendly event Saturday, when temperatures are expected to climb above freezing.

The competitive start of the race to the old gold rush town of Nome will be held Sunday in Willow, 50 miles north of Anchorage, where lower temperatures are expected.

There have been other low-snow years affecting parts of the nearly 1,000-mile race. In fact, some might argue that moving the real start of the race last year 225 miles farther north to Fairbanks was far more dramatic because there was a wider section bare of snow last year.
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Could Climate Change Actually Be Good News for Iditarod Sled Dogs?

By: Laura Goldman
March 8, 2016

About Laura
Follow Laura at @lauragoldman

Because of the lack of snow in Alaska this winter, the opening ceremony of the 2016 Iditarod Trail Sled Dog Race in Anchorage had to be shortened from 11 miles to 3 — and even for that, snow had to be shipped in by train from Fairbanks for the first time in the 43 years the race has been held.

About 600 miles of last year’s 1,100-mile Iditarod race had to be rerouted for the same reason: there wasn’t enough snow on the usual course from Anchorage to Nome.

Anchorage usually gets about 60 inches of snow by March 1. But this year, only about 22 inches of snow has fallen. Alaska’s statewide average winter temperature has risen more than 6 degrees over the past 60 years, according to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) — an increase that is twice that of any of the 48 contiguous states. And those temperatures are expected to continue rising, up to 4 more degrees by 2050.
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Those lying dog-loving bastards! Don't they know that Tony Heller says it's just as cold as ever?

[rushmc 23]

Weather is once again.........



Climate

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,100]

I see you have gone back to being a Type 1 denier. I predict within 2 months you'll flip back to Type 2. "Look, I NEVER SAID the Earth wasn't warming - but we have nothing to do with it! See, Willie Soon Jr. said so."

[gowlerk 2,269]

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Notice they didn't play the ball - they played the player.

Nothing about the content - just the person that made the claims.

I don't need to play that ball. It's clearly under inflated. The player? Already fouled out. Even his friends don't believe him!

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[rushmc 23]

Now the Alinsky attack

You are on a roll

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

gowlerk

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Notice they didn't play the ball - they played the player.

Nothing about the content - just the person that made the claims.

I don't need to play that ball. It's clearly under inflated. The player? Already fouled out. Even his friends don't believe him!

Now you claim to have coversations with my friends.

Which ones? What is their names?

You guys are really goofy these days

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

They are really losing it tonight!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,100]

>Now the Alinsky attack

And you are trying the Chewbacca defense! Nice try.

Meanwhile, back in reality, we have the top ten warmest years in recorded history:

Year Anomaly F
2015 1.62
2014 1.33
2010 1.26
2013 1.19
2005 1.17
1998 1.13
2009 1.13
2012 1.12
2003 1.10
2006 1.10

It seems like only yesterday you were posting stories entitled "there's only one problem with global warming - it ended in 1998!" Now 1998 doesn't even make the top five.

[rushmc 23]

Noaa data?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,100]

>Noaa data?

And NASA GISS, and HADCRUT 4. And Japan Meteorological Agency.

[gowlerk 2,269]

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Now you claim to have coversations with my friends.

Which ones? What is their names?

You guys are really goofy these days

Really, it's not always about you. I was talking about Tony Heller's friends. His Wattsup friends, or ex friends, they won't print him anymore so he had to start his own blog. But he'll always have you believing, right?

Like I told you before, you are not really a player. You've taken yourself out of the game. You are just a sniper on the sidelines with a pea shooter. Completely irrelevant except as a plaything to tease. Your nonsense is so easy to completely discredit that it's laughable. Make an effort, keep up, get in the game.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.