2015 sets new record for warming

[SkyDekker 1,465]

turtlespeed

***I believe the wording was "everyone can do it".

Do you not think it is a good ideal to subscribe to? Or do you favor the other side of the coin where the system supports you and yours?

False dichotomy.

[billvon 3,107]

>You are mixing issues
>You currently pay nothing to maintain that grid
>Correct?

Incorrect. I pay a minimum monthly charge.

[rehmwa 2]

billvon

>You are mixing issues
>You currently pay nothing to maintain that grid
>Correct?

Incorrect. I pay a minimum monthly charge.

freakin' socialism.....

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[billvon 3,107]

>Until he starts pushing policy that does not affect him but it hard on others

It affects me and will, overall, improve power quality and reliability of the grid and enable a transition away from coal based power to renewable sources of power. You dislike it because it won't make your company more money, and will in the long run hurt it - so you selfishly oppose it.

Fortunately for the US, most people support it.

>If, like Bill, he ends up purchasing no power because of what he can generate,
> well fine. Except, he now needs to pay what can be called an excess facility fee
>for being connected. He knows he can not make what he needs 24/7.

Incorrect again.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>You are mixing issues
>You currently pay nothing to maintain that grid
>Correct?

Incorrect. I pay a minimum monthly charge.

Nope
That is not the same

That is the O and M administrative fee to cover the record maintenance of your account (paper work)

The cost to maintain your grid connection is in your rate per KWH

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>Until he starts pushing policy that does not affect him but it hard on others

It affects me and will, overall, improve power quality and reliability of the grid and enable a transition away from coal based power to renewable sources of power. You dislike it because it won't make your company more money, and will in the long run hurt it - so you selfishly oppose it.

Fortunately for the US, most people support it.

>If, like Bill, he ends up purchasing no power because of what he can generate,
> well fine. Except, he now needs to pay what can be called an excess facility fee
>for being connected. He knows he can not make what he needs 24/7.

Incorrect again.

Then get off the grid

My company supports DG

Unfortunately renewables are joke sold to the population under lies

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>Until he starts pushing policy that does not affect him but it hard on others

It affects me and will, overall, improve power quality and reliability of the grid and enable a transition away from coal based power to renewable sources of power. You dislike it because it won't make your company more money, and will in the long run hurt it - so you selfishly oppose it.

Fortunately for the US, most people support it.

>If, like Bill, he ends up purchasing no power because of what he can generate,
> well fine. Except, he now needs to pay what can be called an excess facility fee
>for being connected. He knows he can not make what he needs 24/7.

Incorrect again.

You are also incorrect about making money
We are positioning ourselves to do just as well under you view of better too so this in not an issue

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

rehmwa

***>You are mixing issues
>You currently pay nothing to maintain that grid
>Correct?

Incorrect. I pay a minimum monthly charge.

freakin' socialism.....

How does it feel to have no idea of what you are agreeing with???

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,107]

>That is the O and M administrative fee to cover the record maintenance of
>your account (paper work)

And yet my bill contains nonzero amounts for:

DWR Bond Charge
City of San Diego Franchise Fee Differential
Franchise Fees on Electric Energy Supplied by Others
State Surcharge Tax
State Regulatory Fee
Distribution
Transmission
DWR Revenue Adjustment
Minimum Charge Adjustment

Nothing about O+M.

[billvon 3,107]

>Then get off the grid

No thanks. It saves me money on batteries, and I save them money by smoothing their load. It's a win-win for everyone (except those whose livelihood depends on coal, I guess.)

>My company supports DG

Great!

>Unfortunately renewables are joke sold to the population under lies

And yet they work, are growing at a remarkable rate and are generating more energy than our nuclear plants.

I think the US is beginning to realize that "clean coal" is truly an oxymoron - and that the cost isn't worth it.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>Then get off the grid

No thanks. It saves me money on batteries, and I save them money by smoothing their load. It's a win-win for everyone (except those whose livelihood depends on coal, I guess.)

>My company supports DG

Great!

>Unfortunately renewables are joke sold to the population under lies

And yet they work, are growing at a remarkable rate and are generating more energy than our nuclear plants.

I think the US is beginning to realize that "clean coal" is truly an oxymoron - and that the cost isn't worth it.

You will pay your fair share soon.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[gowlerk 2,272]

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I think the US is beginning to realize that "clean coal" is truly an oxymoron - and that the cost isn't worth it.

Clean coal? Not merely an oxymoron, but an insult to our intelligence. The miners die young from mining it, our children get sick from breathing the particulates, the ash is stored in retention ponds that leach or breach, the landscape is mutilated from producing it, and the CO output is high. It has poisoned the air and water of cities since the beginning of the industrial revolution. And it still is in many places.

It gave us many of the good things we have today, but it is time to move past it. Only the deadenders are clinging to their filthy coal cribs.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[rushmc 23]

gowlerk

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I think the US is beginning to realize that "clean coal" is truly an oxymoron - and that the cost isn't worth it.

Clean coal? Not merely an oxymoron, but an insult to our intelligence. The miners die young from mining it, our children get sick from breathing the particulates, the ash is stored in retention ponds that leach or breach, the landscape is mutilated from producing it, and the CO output is high. It has poisoned the air and water of cities since the beginning of the industrial revolution. And it still is in many places.

It gave us many of the good things we have today, but it is time to move past it. Only the deadenders are clinging to their filthy coal cribs.

Ahhh
the deadener diatribe surfaces again

From a radical alarmist no less

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

***

Quote

I think the US is beginning to realize that "clean coal" is truly an oxymoron - and that the cost isn't worth it.

Clean coal? Not merely an oxymoron, but an insult to our intelligence. The miners die young from mining it, our children get sick from breathing the particulates, the ash is stored in retention ponds that leach or breach, the landscape is mutilated from producing it, and the CO output is high. It has poisoned the air and water of cities since the beginning of the industrial revolution. And it still is in many places.

It gave us many of the good things we have today, but it is time to move past it. Only the deadenders are clinging to their filthy coal cribs.

Ahhh
the deadener diatribe surfaces again

From a radical alarmist no less




So coal miners don't die young?

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

******

Quote

I think the US is beginning to realize that "clean coal" is truly an oxymoron - and that the cost isn't worth it.

Clean coal? Not merely an oxymoron, but an insult to our intelligence. The miners die young from mining it, our children get sick from breathing the particulates, the ash is stored in retention ponds that leach or breach, the landscape is mutilated from producing it, and the CO output is high. It has poisoned the air and water of cities since the beginning of the industrial revolution. And it still is in many places.

It gave us many of the good things we have today, but it is time to move past it. Only the deadenders are clinging to their filthy coal cribs.

Ahhh
the deadener diatribe surfaces again

From a radical alarmist no less




So coal miners don't die young?

Stop trying to read minds or put words into other mouths
You are NOT good at it
Read what I posted
I mean nothing more that what is there

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

*********

Quote

I think the US is beginning to realize that "clean coal" is truly an oxymoron - and that the cost isn't worth it.

Clean coal? Not merely an oxymoron, but an insult to our intelligence. The miners die young from mining it, our children get sick from breathing the particulates, the ash is stored in retention ponds that leach or breach, the landscape is mutilated from producing it, and the CO output is high. It has poisoned the air and water of cities since the beginning of the industrial revolution. And it still is in many places.

It gave us many of the good things we have today, but it is time to move past it. Only the deadenders are clinging to their filthy coal cribs.

Ahhh
the deadener diatribe surfaces again

From a radical alarmist no less




So coal miners don't die young?

Stop trying to read minds or put words into other mouths
You are NOT good at it
Read what I posted
I mean nothing more that what is there

That is why there was a"?" at the end of those words. It indicates a question. In this case a question to clarify your position, since there was no substantive response in your post.

I knew your spelling was bad, but thought you knew what a question was. Apologies.

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

************

Quote

I think the US is beginning to realize that "clean coal" is truly an oxymoron - and that the cost isn't worth it.

Clean coal? Not merely an oxymoron, but an insult to our intelligence. The miners die young from mining it, our children get sick from breathing the particulates, the ash is stored in retention ponds that leach or breach, the landscape is mutilated from producing it, and the CO output is high. It has poisoned the air and water of cities since the beginning of the industrial revolution. And it still is in many places.

It gave us many of the good things we have today, but it is time to move past it. Only the deadenders are clinging to their filthy coal cribs.

Ahhh
the deadener diatribe surfaces again

From a radical alarmist no less




So coal miners don't die young?

Stop trying to read minds or put words into other mouths
You are NOT good at it
Read what I posted
I mean nothing more that what is there

That is why there was a"?" at the end of those words. It indicates a question. In this case a question to clarify your position, since there was no substantive response in your post.

I knew your spelling was bad, but thought you knew what a question was. Apologies.

How the hell did your question have anything to do with my comment regarding his name calling????

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

I will answer your question, if you are polite enough to answer the one I asked you first.

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

I will answer your question, if you are polite enough to answer the one I asked you first.

Too long a thread
Re ask

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

So coal miners don't die young?

[gowlerk 2,272]

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How the hell did your question have anything to do with my comment regarding his name calling????

Alarmist, deadender, what's in a name? People might think you're a sissy if you can't take it like you dish it.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

So coal miners don't die young?

Sure. So do farmers and many others. Has nothing to do with my comment

Skydivers die young too

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,107]

>You will pay your fair share soon.

As will your industry - as the external costs of coal start to be factored in to the cost of coal power. And coal will probably not survive in a truly fair market.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

***So coal miners don't die young?

Sure. So do farmers and many others. Has nothing to do with my comment

Skydivers die young too

You don't think coal mining has a greater negative impact on a person than farming?

[turtlespeed 226]

SkyDekker

******So coal miners don't die young?

Sure. So do farmers and many others. Has nothing to do with my comment

Skydivers die young too

You don't think coal mining has a greater negative impact on a person than farming?were you going to answe the question you promised to answer if he answered yours?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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