Obama's call to repeal "Due Process"

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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This carries over to the gun debate. A lot of people now a days would much rather outsource their safety to the government.

Not at all. I do believe that evidence shows that a western society with less guns is safer than a western society with an abundance of guns. I believe that one of the reasons Toronto is so much safer than US cities of similar size is because gun ownership is slightly more difficult and we do not have a culture of walking around with them.

I fully agree that guns can be used for good and that crime has been prevented because of guns. I also believe that banning guns in the US now would not have favourable results for multiple decades and likely generations. I ma happy Canada's historical path regarding guns has been very different to yours. I believe it has created a much safer society.

[billvon 3,107]

rushmc

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Yet when it comes to things like welfare, healthcare, food stamps etc. one person abusing it is grounds for abolishing it.

Who stated this?

"They." You know, the same people who want to ban all guns, sell baby parts for profit, want the government to take care of them etc. They probably all live in the same place.

[normiss 891]

Is this the "liberals" I keep hearing about?
I get confused with all the labels these days.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

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Yet when it comes to things like welfare, healthcare, food stamps etc. one person abusing it is grounds for abolishing it.

Who stated this?

"They." You know, the same people who want to ban all guns, sell baby parts for profit, want the government to take care of them etc. They probably all live in the same place.

All the people you reference exist. And many of them use the srevices he referenced

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,107]

>All the people you reference exist.

As does the person who wants to abolish welfare, food stamps etc. However, both are generally portrayed as being common by people who simply want to use them as strawmen - mainly to associate with someone the person is arguing with.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>All the people you reference exist.

As does the person who wants to abolish welfare, food stamps etc. However, both are generally portrayed as being common by people who simply want to use them as strawmen - mainly to associate with someone the person is arguing with.

So
Who said abolish the welfare state?

He stated it
Now back it up!

BTW He posted I wanted the welfare state abolished which even you know is a lie
This gives even more reason for him to roll back his lie

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

***>All the people you reference exist.

As does the person who wants to abolish welfare, food stamps etc. However, both are generally portrayed as being common by people who simply want to use them as strawmen - mainly to associate with someone the person is arguing with.

So
Who said abolish the welfare state?

He stated it
Now back it up!

BTW He posted I wanted the welfare state abolished which even you know is a lie
This gives even more reason for him to roll back his lie

I will back it up as soon as you go on the Planned Parenthood thread and post how wrong you were about those videos and how needless kneejerk reactions like yours caused a madman to go on a mass shooting spree.

[billvon 3,107]

>Who said abolish the welfare state?

Thank you for, once again, proving my point. In your mind, lots of people want to abolish guns - but people who want to end welfare are so rare that you claim to have never even heard of one. (I don't think you are actually that dumb; I suspect you are just trolling.)

I know you don't really care, but if you like you can google "abolish welfare" - then look at any of the 10,900,000 results.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>Who said abolish the welfare state?

Thank you for, once again, proving my point. In your mind, lots of people want to abolish guns - but people who want to end welfare are so rare that you claim to have never even heard of one. (I don't think you are actually that dumb; I suspect you are just trolling.)

I know you don't really care, but if you like you can google "abolish welfare" - then look at any of the 10,900,000 results.

I can post you quotes of those who have stated they wish to ban guns

Names recognized by you and me

I am not making anything up

Sky stated I said we needed to abolish the welfare state
He got called on his lie and he is now back walking even faster

Your so called point comes yet again from a twist on the topic
You made no point

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

******>All the people you reference exist.

As does the person who wants to abolish welfare, food stamps etc. However, both are generally portrayed as being common by people who simply want to use them as strawmen - mainly to associate with someone the person is arguing with.

So
Who said abolish the welfare state?

He stated it
Now back it up!

BTW He posted I wanted the welfare state abolished which even you know is a lie
This gives even more reason for him to roll back his lie

I will back it up as soon as you go on the Planned Parenthood thread and post how wrong you were about those videos and how needless kneejerk reactions like yours caused a madman to go on a mass shooting spree.

Run away little one

The adults are talking here

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

*********>All the people you reference exist.

As does the person who wants to abolish welfare, food stamps etc. However, both are generally portrayed as being common by people who simply want to use them as strawmen - mainly to associate with someone the person is arguing with.

So
Who said abolish the welfare state?

He stated it
Now back it up!

BTW He posted I wanted the welfare state abolished which even you know is a lie
This gives even more reason for him to roll back his lie

I will back it up as soon as you go on the Planned Parenthood thread and post how wrong you were about those videos and how needless kneejerk reactions like yours caused a madman to go on a mass shooting spree.

Run away little one

The adults are talking here

They were indeed, then you showed up and had to post some gibberish

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

************>All the people you reference exist.

As does the person who wants to abolish welfare, food stamps etc. However, both are generally portrayed as being common by people who simply want to use them as strawmen - mainly to associate with someone the person is arguing with.

So
Who said abolish the welfare state?

He stated it
Now back it up!

BTW He posted I wanted the welfare state abolished which even you know is a lie
This gives even more reason for him to roll back his lie

I will back it up as soon as you go on the Planned Parenthood thread and post how wrong you were about those videos and how needless kneejerk reactions like yours caused a madman to go on a mass shooting spree.

Run away little one

The adults are talking here

They were indeed, then you showed up and had to post some gibberish

You mean like the little kid who got caught in a lie?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,107]

I apologize for trying to have an adult conversation with you. You'd think after all these years I'd know better.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Hard to believe I actually have to explain this to you.

Many times it has been stated that one of the objections to welfare, food stamps etc is the fact that it gets abused.

At this point I have a hard time figuring out if you truly don't understand it, or if you are obtuse.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

I apologize for trying to have an adult conversation with you. You'd think after all these years I'd know better.

As soon as you start one let me know

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

Hard to believe I actually have to explain this to you.

Many times it has been stated that one of the objections to welfare, food stamps etc is the fact that it gets abused.

At this point I have a hard time figuring out if you truly don't understand it, or if you are obtuse.

I don't disagree

But you stated someone wanted to end it

I asked who?

You said I did!

I called you on your lie

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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But you stated someone wanted to end it

It was a generalized statement.

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I asked who?

You said I did!

You ask a stupid question, you get a stupid answer.

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

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But you stated someone wanted to end it

It was a generalized statement.

***I asked who?

You said I did!

You ask a stupid question, you get a stupid answer.

You are very good at the back stroke it seems......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[turtlespeed 226]

SkyDekker

******>All the people you reference exist.

As does the person who wants to abolish welfare, food stamps etc. However, both are generally portrayed as being common by people who simply want to use them as strawmen - mainly to associate with someone the person is arguing with.

So
Who said abolish the welfare state?

He stated it
Now back it up!

BTW He posted I wanted the welfare state abolished which even you know is a lie
This gives even more reason for him to roll back his lie

I will back it up as soon as you go on the Planned Parenthood thread and post how wrong you were about those videos and how needless kneejerk reactions like yours caused a madman to go on a mass shooting spree.

What? Now you have remote control goal posts? You just drive them around all Willy - Nilly?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[rushmc 23]

turtlespeed

*********>All the people you reference exist.

As does the person who wants to abolish welfare, food stamps etc. However, both are generally portrayed as being common by people who simply want to use them as strawmen - mainly to associate with someone the person is arguing with.

So
Who said abolish the welfare state?

He stated it
Now back it up!

BTW He posted I wanted the welfare state abolished which even you know is a lie
This gives even more reason for him to roll back his lie

I will back it up as soon as you go on the Planned Parenthood thread and post how wrong you were about those videos and how needless kneejerk reactions like yours caused a madman to go on a mass shooting spree.

What? Now you have remote control goal posts? You just drive them around all Willy - Nilly?

And the topic he used???

Holy shit is he out there!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[turtlespeed 226]

rushmc

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But you stated someone wanted to end it

It was a generalized statement.

***I asked who?

You said I did!

You ask a stupid question, you get a stupid answer.

You are very good at the back stroke it seems......

. . . Kinda reminds me of this guy from Chicago.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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What? Now you have remote control goal posts? You just drive them around all Willy - Nilly?

Moving goal posts would require them to be originally set. This was the first "challenge" to rush, so they haven't moved at all.

He asked for me to do something. I said I would as soon as he did something for me. Goal posts are set, nothing has moved.

Pretty simple concept really, surprising you have so much difficulty with it.

[DanG 1]

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That, and some also don't mind cowering in a corner while their family gets killed one by one by a lunatic while they wait for police to arrive.....

You were doing such a good job of sounding reasonable until this. You just had to get in a stupid dig. Shit like this just makes it easier for anti-gun people to dismiss you as a whacko.

- Dan G

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DanG

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That, and some also don't mind cowering in a corner while their family gets killed one by one by a lunatic while they wait for police to arrive.....

You were doing such a good job of sounding reasonable until this. You just had to get in a stupid dig. Shit like this just makes it easier for anti-gun people to dismiss you as a whacko.

Like I said, some people think of themselves as the first line of defense in defending their families, others wait for a government official in these crucial moments....

I refer to the second group as "total liberal pussies...."

I can't help it. It's the unrepentant non-PC sailor in me....

"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
Life, the Universe, and Everything

[jgoose71 0]

SkyDekker

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This carries over to the gun debate. A lot of people now a days would much rather outsource their safety to the government.

Not at all. I do believe that evidence shows that a western society with less guns is safer than a western society with an abundance of guns. I believe that one of the reasons Toronto is so much safer than US cities of similar size is because gun ownership is slightly more difficult and we do not have a culture of walking around with them.

I fully agree that guns can be used for good and that crime has been prevented because of guns. I also believe that banning guns in the US now would not have favourable results for multiple decades and likely generations. I ma happy Canada's historical path regarding guns has been very different to yours. I believe it has created a much safer society.

I don't think it's the lack of guns that makes Canada the place it is. I think it's all the high-grade cannabis...

"Hey dude, you want to knock over a liquor store, eh?"
"Maybe later dude, pass me the Cheetos.....eh?"

"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
Life, the Universe, and Everything