billvon 3,107 #51 December 15, 2015 >Who needs a pension with a flat tax and your own social security money >being invested however you want? Roughly half the people who invest their money however they want. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,461 #52 December 15, 2015 Hi Ron, QuoteWhen the bad guy is found guilty it is the defense attorney's responsibility to make certain the conviction cannot be overturned on appeal. The defense attorney's role is to provide a proper defense. Some would say to get the client found Not Guilty. How is that in line with: ' . . . to make certain the conviction cannot be overturned on appeal . . . '? Unless I missed the memo, the defense attorney would do everything he could to get a Guilty conviction overturned. Jerry Baumchen PS) My son has been both a prosecutor & a defense attorney. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #53 December 15, 2015 It is my understanding, the defense attorney attempts a flawless defense argument. If the guilty verdict is handed down then there is no argument for a faulty defense when seeking appeal. That is the way my colleague, a former public defender, explained it to me. The discussion came up regarding a rape and murder of a 10YO girl where the perp put her in a garbage bag and buried her alive. My colleague said she would have no problem acting as his defense counsel. In other words, the defense attorney does not seek to let a guilty party go free but rather to seek the best possible defense. The way I see it is that the focus is on the judicial procedure not the individual. Of course, I am assuming the criminal charged is actually guilty. If it is a false allegation and charge then the defense is going to seek a not guilty verdict.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #54 December 15, 2015 RonD1120It is my understanding, the defense attorney attempts a flawless defense argument. If the guilty verdict is handed down then there is no argument for a faulty defense when seeking appeal. That is the way my colleague, a former public defender, explained it to me. The discussion came up regarding a rape and murder of a 10YO girl where the perp put her in a garbage bag and buried her alive. My colleague said she would have no problem acting as his defense counsel. In other words, the defense attorney does not seek to let a guilty party go free but rather to seek the best possible defense. The way I see it is that the focus is on the judicial procedure not the individual. Of course, I am assuming the criminal charged is actually guilty. If it is a false allegation and charge then the defense is going to seek a not guilty verdict. I must be treated as a false allegation until proven otherwise. The whole innocent until proven guilty thing. Unless confession or no lo contendre is entered. Even I know that, and Andy has handed me my ass several times here wrt legal beliefs vs reality.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,593 #55 December 15, 2015 QuoteI must be treated as a false allegation until proven otherwise. Unless you're in a massively underfunded and understaffed PDs office and the only thing you have time to do in most cases is pressure the accused into taking a plea deal.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 186 #56 December 15, 2015 I find it odd that Obama has so much power over "purging" military officers. I'm sure he will be purging the ones conducting the court martial of Bergdahl too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #57 December 15, 2015 jakeeQuoteI must be treated as a false allegation until proven otherwise. Unless you're in a massively underfunded and understaffed PDs office and the only thing you have time to do in most cases is pressure the accused into taking a plea deal. that can't happen, not under the Obama administration.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyBoyd 0 #58 December 16, 2015 jakee Quote I must be treated as a false allegation until proven otherwise. Unless you're in a massively underfunded and understaffed PDs office and the only thing you have time to do in most cases is pressure the accused into taking a plea deal. I'm responding to a couple of different things here, not just Jakee's. I'll just take his first. Most PD's offices are underfunded and understaffed. I should point out that the office I work for focuses exclusively on appeals, so I have never taken a case to trial. The trial PD's I've met would never pressure a defendant to take a deal for the sake of expediency. Most cases get plea-bargained, but if a case needs to go to trial, it goes to trial. As far as the pension thing, anyone who lives in Illinois knows the pension system has some problems. I won't say anything more than that on an open forum using my real name. Ron, I must admit I did not expect that response. Thanks. Really. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #59 December 16, 2015 AndyBoyd *** Quote I must be treated as a false allegation until proven otherwise. Unless you're in a massively underfunded and understaffed PDs office and the only thing you have time to do in most cases is pressure the accused into taking a plea deal. I'm responding to a couple of different things here, not just Jakee's. I'll just take his first. Most PD's offices are underfunded and understaffed. I should point out that the office I work for focuses exclusively on appeals, so I have never taken a case to trial. The trial PD's I've met would never pressure a defendant to take a deal for the sake of expediency. Most cases get plea-bargained, but if a case needs to go to trial, it goes to trial. As far as the pension thing, anyone who lives in Illinois knows the pension system has some problems. I won't say anything more than that on an open forum using my real name. Ron, I must admit I did not expect that response. Thanks. Really. I think that is the closest I'll get to being agreed with.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #60 December 16, 2015 Quote40 Actions to Save America In response to the replies received, I have gone back through Dr. Savage's book and provided answers based on his reasoning. Quote1. Start an Nationalist Party. a. Um . . . yeah . . . any list that starts with that is bound to work. Our two-party system has morphed into one party. Conservatism has lost its meaning. To most people it just means pro-business and that concept on the world stage has changed drastically. Traditional conservatives, the founding fathers, were nationalists. We need to think, at least for a few years, about preserving our borders, language and culture. A Nationalist Party would attract Democrats and Republicans that have grown weary of choosing the lesser of two evils. Quote2. Close the borders completely for seven years. a. if we close the borders completely, does that mean that Americans can't travel overseas? How about people coming to the US for tourism and/or medical, and/or business? b. And collapse the import and export of all goods? The Anerican economy will collapse. We have been overwhelmed in this country by foreign and sometimes hostile cultures. We need to halt immigration like we did at the beginning of the 20th Century. Immigration should be normalized with our national priorities. Quote3. Deport all illegal aliens in American prisons. a. They are already being deported. The majority of illegal immigrants who at deleted are deported directly from the county jails where they were held for stupid minor crimes like drinking and speeding, or drinking and brawling, or drinking and wife-bearing or drinking and petty theft. Stupid criminals deserve to be deported back to the worst "Hole of Calcutta" in the country of their birth. Similarly, any immigrants - who claim religious or political motivation - for violent crimes deserve to deported to the worst "Hole of Calcutta" in their country of birth. Finally, any "home-grown" jihadists deserve a free ride to the trenches surrounding Aleppo .... and their ankle should be chained to that trench, so they can die a martyr's death. In our present economy we should not have to bear the burden of caring for illegal criminals. The present prison population is about one-third illegals which exceeds two million felons. Quote4. Repeal the “Anchor Babies” law. a. if we close the borders completely, does that mean that Americans can't travel overseas? How about people coming to the US for tourism and/or medical, and/or business? This law only encourages illegal immigration. Quote5. Make English the official language of the United States. a. agreed. And force all long-term residents to learn to speak English. English should be required for all legal and political transactions. If you can't read English you can't vote. All government employees should be able to speak, read and write English. Quote7. Reintroduce civics classes to elementary and secondary schools. a. I'm all over restoring civics classes. Our schools should be teaching the history of our founding fathers, founding documents and founding principles. It should be required for citizenship as well. Quote12. Repair our relations with Russia. a. Repair relations with a murderous dictator??? We should seek to make them an ally against ISIS and a partner in world economy. They cease aggression outside their borders and we cease interfering in their relations with bordering nations. Quote13. Sign a mutual defense treaty with Israel. a. Mutual defense with Israel? Isn't that kind of one-sided? b. Only if it is funded by Jews living in America .... Oh! Wait a minute! Doesn't that clash with number 3? We currently have no treaty. We pledge to protect Israel if attacked by a foreign power and they pledge to protect our shipping and trade with their own resources. Quote15. Recognize radical Islam as the enemy. a. If radical Islam is the enemy, how can we tell the difference between radicals and "regulars?" Or do we just make Islam an illegal religion? Then there's that pesky Constitution again. We are not fighting a war against terrorism. We are fighting radical Islam which seeks to infiltrate the West and destroy our borders, language and culture. Quote16. Allow profiling in security investigations. a. Could you clarify on profiling -- are we profiling only Muslims, only Arab Muslims, or should we include blacks, just in case they're hoodlums? How about hispanics, in case they're illegal? Then should we include intelligence tests, so that we can profile based on rank stupidity? Security risks come from radical Islamists. Let's start focusing on them instead of grandmothers and children. Profiling is learning how to read people. It is street smarts. It seems to work with El Al. Quote18. Close all tax loopholes for Hollywood. a. If we close all tax loopholes for Hollywood, shouldn't we close them for Wall Street as well, rather than turning over regulation of Wall Street to Wall Street? Hollywood receives tax incentives to churn out anti-Americanism. We should eliminate the government's help. Quote19. Fund all climate science research to include the skeptics. a. Fund all climate science research, or only the skeptics? Balance the funding to both pro and the con of global warming regarding climate science. Quote27. Privatize the regulation of Wall Street. a. Slam into reverse! .... Allow foxes to regulate the hen-house? Congress will never regulate the source of its campaign contributions. “Create a financial clearinghouse for the oversight of financial derivative debt instruments. Together with prohibitions on bailouts, this would introduce market discipline to the legalized gambling.” ~Savage. Quote28. Institute tort reform. a. Yeah! Finally a point we can agree on. Force tort lawyers to focus on "making the victim whole." Also force courts to limit secondary damages by limiting the number of years a tort lawsuit can drag through the courts. e. g. "if the case drags beyond the 3 year anniversary, the wounded gets all the compensation he originally asked for. In reality, we should pray that Obamacare will starve out all the ambulance-chasing lawyers, because once your major medical bills have been paid (and you are healthy) the incentive for suing drops dramatically. States should cap medical liability to $250,000 per claim. Quote29. Eliminate government employee pensions. No one in the private sector is guaranteed a pension. Why should government employees receive them? I must admit this one throws me. I cannot imagine a career military person being denied a pension. On the other hand, why should a congressman or senator receive a pension after only one term in office? Quote30. End affirmative action. a. With the ending of Affirmative Action, is there any recourse that anyone has to show that there is discrimination going on, or does it just suck then not to look like/be like the boss? We have had a black president as well as black leaders in military and business. None of them achieved success through affirmative action. Affirmative Action is racism and assumes that blacks are inferior. Quote33. End bulk collection of data by the NSA. (Maybe this has been accomplished a/o 9 Nov 2015.) a. End bulk data collection by telecommunications companies. Good luck on that one! Hah! Hah! We know who the enemy is. Identify the radical Islamists and get the proper warrants. Quote34. Make all state universities and colleges “free speech zones.” a. Free speech in universities is a good idea. So is free speech at gun ranges, and in small towns in north Georgia. There is free speech in these places -- it's just that it's not necessarily without consequences in any of them. Our colleges and universities are centers for the progressive left. Dissenting speech is not allowed. It only promotes the Progressive-Islamist agenda and stifles creativity and critical thinking. Quote38. Restore religious freedom in schools. a. Does religious freedom in schools include the teacher leading the students in Christian prayers? How about if the teacher is an atheist, can she lead the students in a denial of God? Or maybe a Jewish teacher leading the students in a nice Jewish prayer? Never mind the Muslim teacher (although with the war on Islam and profiling, they may not be permitted anymore) The First Amendment establishes freedom of religion not freedom from religion. Teachers should be free to discuss their religious beliefs. Right now Islam is encouraged but Christianity is forbidden. Quote40. Oppose military exercises in our cities and towns. a. Limiting mitary exercises in American cities limits American soldiers fighting overseas. More than half of this planet's human populations live in cities. Recent fighting on Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, etc. required American soldiers to fight on foot in built up areas. Maybe limit military exercises to abandoned neighbourhoods on Detriot? Declare them free-fire zones. Use American Army artillery to level abandoned building vs in the name of slum-clearance, urban-renewal, or whatever the politically-courteous term is this week. Despite Obama's efforts, we still have the most powerful military in the world. We do not need to train them in our states and cities. Especially in the red states characterized as hostile.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 891 #61 December 16, 2015 I did Nazi those answer coming. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #62 December 16, 2015 So much wrong with that, but to pick just a couple.... RonD1120 We have been overwhelmed in this country by foreign and sometimes hostile cultures. Surely even you can see the irony of this one coming from a white man? Quote***18. Close all tax loopholes for Hollywood. a. If we close all tax loopholes for Hollywood, shouldn't we close them for Wall Street as well, rather than turning over regulation of Wall Street to Wall Street? Hollywood receives tax incentives to churn out anti-Americanism. We should eliminate the government's help. So does religion. I actually agree - close tax loopholes for hollywood, religion, big energy, renewable energy. Don't single out one area you happen not to like. Aside from that, the rest of the answers don't really go any way to improving your case.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #63 December 16, 2015 QuoteWe need to think, at least for a few years, about preserving our borders, language and culture. A Nationalist Party would attract Democrats and Republicans that have grown weary of choosing the lesser of two evils. It would attract current Republicans. No Democrats will sign up for your xenophobic Christian party. Get ready for years of Democratic rule. QuoteWe have been overwhelmed in this country by foreign and sometimes hostile cultures. We need to halt immigration like we did at the beginning of the 20th Century. Immigration should be normalized with our national priorities. By which you mean only letting white Europeans in. QuoteIn our present economy we should not have to bear the burden of caring for illegal criminals. The present prison population is about one-third illegals which exceeds two million felons. That is the right wing blogosphere claim. The real number is likely very much lower (CNN estimates 5%). Data is hard to come by. Either way, Savage's number is highly inflated. QuoteThis law only encourages illegal immigration. The "anchor baby" law is most commonly known as the US Constitution. Sorry you don't like it. QuoteEnglish should be required for all legal and political transactions. If you can't read English you can't vote. All government employees should be able to speak, read and write English. Meh. Whatever. It's just more xenophobia. Other languages and cultures have a lot to offer. I don't understand why your tribe is so afraid of them. QuoteOur schools should be teaching the history of our founding fathers, founding documents and founding principles. It should be required for citizenship as well. Already happens, already a citizenship requirement. Or do you mean we should stop teaching the negative parts of US history? America, fuck yeah, should be the only part that the kids learn? QuoteWe should seek to make them an ally against ISIS and a partner in world economy. They cease aggression outside their borders and we cease interfering in their relations with bordering nations. How, exectly, are you going to make Putin play nice? QuoteWe currently have no treaty. We pledge to protect Israel if attacked by a foreign power and they pledge to protect our shipping and trade with their own resources. I still haven't figured out (beside your Biblical gibberish) why people like you want to treat Israel so differently than every other country. QuoteWe are not fighting a war against terrorism. We are fighting radical Islam which seeks to infiltrate the West and destroy our borders, language and culture. Tomato, to-mah-to. Call it what you want, it doesn't change what's happening on the ground. We are not in a "culture war" or a Crusade (read jihad). As much as you want to bring about Armaggedon, please stop trying to change US policy based on your silly book. QuoteSecurity risks come from radical Islamists. Let's start focusing on them instead of grandmothers and children. Profiling is learning how to read people. It is street smarts. It seems to work with El Al. You mean, white grandmothers and children, right? Shouldn't be still bar Arab grandmothers and children from travelling? QuoteHollywood receives tax incentives to churn out anti-Americanism. We should eliminate the government's help. Which tax incentives are you talking about? I bet you have no idea. QuoteBalance the funding to both pro and the con of global warming regarding climate science. Funding should go to science. Done properly, there is no pro- or con- side. The results are the results. The fact that your tribe doesn't like the results doesn't necessarily mean the science was biased. QuoteCongress will never regulate the source of its campaign contributions. “Create a financial clearinghouse for the oversight of financial derivative debt instruments. Together with prohibitions on bailouts, this would introduce market discipline to the legalized gambling.” ~Savage. Yeah, so put the foxes in charge of the henhouse. Insane. QuoteStates should cap medical liability to $250,000 per claim. That sounds great until a drunk doctor kills your kid. QuoteWe have had a black president as well as black leaders in military and business. None of them achieved success through affirmative action. Affirmative Action is racism and assumes that blacks are inferior. I can get behind some changes to the Affirmative Action system, but scrapping it entirely will end up with the reintroduction of institutional racism with no legal recourse. QuoteWe know who the enemy is. Identify the radical Islamists and get the proper warrants. Sure. Except don't put blinders on and think our only enemy is radical Islam. QuoteOur colleges and universities are centers for the progressive left. Dissenting speech is not allowed. It only promotes the Progressive-Islamist agenda and stifles creativity and critical thinking. I love how you're always trying to conflate Progressivism with Islam. It's pretty lame. Anyway, bullshit on this one. Sure, there are some colleges which have a liberal bent, but there are plenty with a conservative bent, too. Do you think Christian colleges should be free-speech zones, too? QuoteThe First Amendment establishes freedom of religion not freedom from religion. Teachers should be free to discuss their religious beliefs. Right now Islam is encouraged but Christianity is forbidden. Bullshit. Anyway, I'm surprised you think Islamic teachers should be allowed to prostheletize. I suspect you mean that Christianity can be discussed, but other religions should be banned. QuoteDespite Obama's efforts, we still have the most powerful military in the world. We do not need to train them in our states and cities. Especially in the red states characterized as hostile. Obama hasn't done anything to destroy the military. The size of the military is coming down, as it should after a war. Training in the community is the best way to train for low intensity conflict. You can't simulate that on a military base. This one is just silly. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,593 #64 December 16, 2015 QuoteWe should seek to make them an ally against ISIS and a partner in world economy. They cease aggression outside their borders and we cease interfering in their relations with bordering nations. There are so many problems all through your list but I'm just going to pick on this one because its so much wishful thinking. First, Russia's aggression outside its borders is mostly against its bordering nations - so do you interfere or not? Second, Russia don't give a fuck what you or anyone else thinks about them. They do what they want to do. So what are you willing to give them to get them to do what you want? Do you want your President to go begging to Putin like a supplicant? I highly doubt it. QuoteNo one in the private sector is guaranteed a pension. Why should government employees receive them? I must admit this one throws me. I cannot imagine a career military person being denied a pension. But you're suggesting that they shouldn't. Or if you think they should be treated differently than everyone else, why? And what about other 'worthwhile' employees? What about, say, CIA and FBI employees fighting against Islamic terrorism, aren't they good enough for a pension? QuoteThe First Amendment establishes freedom of religion not freedom from religion. Teachers should be free to discuss their religious beliefs. And the atheist teachers, muslim teachers, gay teachers... they can all talk freely about their lives as well? QuoteDespite Obama's efforts, we still have the most powerful military in the world. We do not need to train them in our states and cities. You don't think the military should train in the states? You going to carry out all military excercises in Puerto Rico or what? And finally, again, what is it you're going to be doing to make this stuff happen?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CornishChris 5 #65 December 17, 2015 Here is a quote from a Scottish comedian that sums this argument up, particularly the second paragraph: That’s not to say it isn’t hellish for the people [those trying to get into our country] living it. We invade their countries and justify it by saying that our way of life is better, then boggle at the idea they might think living here is great. We pay no attention to how our actions in other countries have precipitated this situation. There has to be something wrong with a world where the best employment option for a farmer in sub-Saharan Africa isn’t being a farmer in sub-Saharan Africa, but crossing the Mediterranean on a punctured lilo, only to spend days dangling under a lorry so that he can end up selling lollipops in a nightclub toilet. Our indifference is staggering. For a lot of these people, their best chance of survival may be to dress up as a leopard and hope to get Twitter onside. Of course, the true existential threat to us might come from ourselves. If we can look at another human being and categorise them as “illegal”, or that chilling American word “alien”, then what has become of our own humanity? To support policies that dehumanise others is to dehumanise yourself. I think most people resist that, but are pressed towards it by an increasingly sadistic elite. If you’re worried about threats to your way of life, look to the people who are selling your public services out from under you. The people who will destroy this society are already here: printing their own money, printing their own newspapers, and responding to undesirables at the gates by releasing the hounds. CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #66 December 17, 2015 CornishChrisScottish comedian Kevin Bridges?Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CornishChris 5 #67 December 17, 2015 Frankie Boyle. CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #68 December 17, 2015 Oh yarp. Didn't seem crude enough for him!Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,168 #69 December 17, 2015 RMKWendy summed this up a wish for your 1950's America. However, there are so many ill-thought ideas in the list above from the "crackpot" author, it doesn't really warrant much discussion. Intriguing that a person could write up 40 ideas for publication, yet only hit maybe 3 as being well reasoned. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS! You could summarize the list as write a new constitution and mandate Republican Isolationist leaders. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ibx 2 #70 December 17, 2015 QuoteOf course, the true existential threat to us might come from ourselves. If we can look at another human being and categorise them as “illegal”, or that chilling American word “alien”, then what has become of our own humanity? What if that person does not accept woman as equal, or denies basic rights to homosexuals? I have every right to consider him an alien in my culture. Quote To support policies that dehumanise others is to dehumanise yourself. I think most people resist that, but are pressed towards it by an increasingly sadistic elite. If you’re worried about threats to your way of life, look to the people who are selling your public services out from under you. The people who will destroy this society are already here: printing their own money, printing their own newspapers, and responding to undesirables at the gates by releasing the hounds. I wish it where all so simple... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 343 #71 December 18, 2015 RonD1120 Quote29. Eliminate government employee pensions. No one in the private sector is guaranteed a pension. Why should government employees receive them? I must admit this one throws me. I cannot imagine a career military person being denied a pension. On the other hand, why should a congressman or senator receive a pension after only one term in office? "After only one term in office" is only eligible for any type of pension of that one term is a senate term. The member must have served at least five years, and cannot pull any funds until at least age 62. Any earlier receipt of pensions are only for members who have served longer terms. Members and staff pay 1.3% of their salaries to fund this account, as well as 6.2% of the first $90,000 into Social Security (the same as the rest of us pay SS). For five years of service, at age 62, that member would be eligible to receive only 8.5% of his or her base salary, averaged for the highest three years' salary received. To make the math easy, if that member served only five years, and the highest three years of salary averaged $150,000, at age 62 that former member of congress could receive $12,750/year (before taxes) for the rest of his or her life. Is that more than most Americans can hope to get out of five years in one job? At this point, probably. But let's be realistic about what kind of pensions and benefits are available to members of congress (and other federal employees -- there are many more elements in Source 1), and who pays for what. Source 1 Source 2, with other referencesSee the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus Shut Up & Jump! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,461 #72 December 18, 2015 Hi Tri, QuoteSource 1 I believe that there is an error in Source 1. It says: "Prior to 1984, neither federal civil service workers nor Members of Congress paid taxes to Social Security, nor were they eligible for Social Security benefits. Members of Congress and other federal employees were instead covered by a separate pension plan called the Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS)." According to a discussion I had with a member of US Senator Mark Hatfield's staff back around '78-'79, members of the congress could opt for the CSRS system or the Social Security System but not both. Normal fed employees were not able to choose; and could not pay into Social Security additionally if they wanted to. Jerry Baumchen 30-yrs on CSRS - Now happily collecting the goodies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #73 December 19, 2015 Thank you to all who thought about and responded to my post. Of the 40 Solutions offered 19 were commented on. The comments came from 16 Americans and 9 foreigners.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #74 December 20, 2015 RonD1120Thank you to all who thought about and responded to my post. Of the 40 Solutions offered 19 were commented on. The comments came from 16 Americans and 9 foreigners. And the original list of "solutions" came from a nutbag. I'm surprised he didn't offer one, "final" solution.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #75 December 20, 2015 RonD1120 13. Sign a mutual defense treaty with Israel. why only Israel ? Sign a mutual defense treaty with ALL countries, and you will live in peace.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
