"Similarities to Jim Jones and the Cult of Climate Change"

[rushmc 23]

Talk about nailing it!

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/11/27/similarities-to-jim-jones-and-the-cult-of-climate-change/

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The apocalypse of an alleged climate change shares many of Jones’ cult-like qualities.

There are other similar traits, but here are four:

1. Climate doomsayers believe they possess truths about the past, present and future and their truths cannot be disputed by anyone.

2. Doomsayers refuse to debate their belief. They call their dogma “settled science” and attack any critics that dare to whisper in the dark.

3. Just like a cult, doomsayers has a formal doctrine-setting body — not unlike the Jones’ circle of advisors. The reports by the “ruling” body are thought to be the main source of authority and the texts of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are quoted as unholy scripture.

4. Staying with the Jonestown analogy, the climate change alarmists have created mythologies intentionally built on lies and half-truths. The fallacy can be ascribed as an appeal to everyday experiences, giving the listener some sense of truth-based teaching to mix with the soup of confusion.

Just as Jones and his small leadership group built lies on a foundation of lies and misinformation, the “sky-is-falling-crowd” spreads hoaxes to support their form of theology.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[gowlerk 2,277]

rushmc

Talk about nailing it!

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/11/27/similarities-to-jim-jones-and-the-cult-of-climate-change/

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The apocalypse of an alleged climate change shares many of Jones’ cult-like qualities.

There are other similar traits, but here are four:

1. Climate doomsayers believe they possess truths about the past, present and future and their truths cannot be disputed by anyone.

2. Doomsayers refuse to debate their belief. They call their dogma “settled science” and attack any critics that dare to whisper in the dark.

3. Just like a cult, doomsayers has a formal doctrine-setting body — not unlike the Jones’ circle of advisors. The reports by the “ruling” body are thought to be the main source of authority and the texts of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are quoted as unholy scripture.

4. Staying with the Jonestown analogy, the climate change alarmists have created mythologies intentionally built on lies and half-truths. The fallacy can be ascribed as an appeal to everyday experiences, giving the listener some sense of truth-based teaching to mix with the soup of confusion.

Just as Jones and his small leadership group built lies on a foundation of lies and misinformation, the “sky-is-falling-crowd” spreads hoaxes to support their form of theology.

That's pretty funny. Just who plays the role of Jones though? Obama, Gore, or Clinton?

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[JerryBaumchen 1,468]

Hi rush,

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Talk about nailing it!

Talk about being scared of what is coming: http://unfccc.int/meetings/paris_nov_2015/meeting/8926.php

That pig of yours is not going to fly.

Jerry Baumchen

[rushmc 23]

JerryBaumchen

Hi rush,

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Talk about nailing it!

Talk about being scared of what is coming: http://unfccc.int/meetings/paris_nov_2015/meeting/8926.php

That pig of yours is not going to fly.

Jerry Baumchen

Jones has you too

Sorry

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 898]

The troll master zingers.
Weak at best, what's up with that?

[gowlerk 2,277]

normiss

The troll master zingers.
Weak at best, what's up with that?

Silly article. Silly premise. Silly trolls. Silly is as silly does.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[DanG 1]

There goes your argument that wattsupwiththat.com isn's a biased source of climate reporting, huh?

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

DanG

There goes your argument that wattsupwiththat.com isn's a biased source of climate reporting, huh?

Not at all

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rehmwa 2]

rushmc

Talk about nailing it!

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/11/27/similarities-to-jim-jones-and-the-cult-of-climate-change/

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The apocalypse of an alleged climate change shares many of Jones’ cult-like qualities.

There are other similar traits, but here are four:

1. Climate doomsayers believe they possess truths about the past, present and future and their truths cannot be disputed by anyone.

2. Doomsayers refuse to debate their belief. They call their dogma “settled science” and attack any critics that dare to whisper in the dark.

3. Just like a cult, doomsayers has a formal doctrine-setting body — not unlike the Jones’ circle of advisors. The reports by the “ruling” body are thought to be the main source of authority and the texts of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are quoted as unholy scripture.

4. Staying with the Jonestown analogy, the climate change alarmists have created mythologies intentionally built on lies and half-truths. The fallacy can be ascribed as an appeal to everyday experiences, giving the listener some sense of truth-based teaching to mix with the soup of confusion.

Just as Jones and his small leadership group built lies on a foundation of lies and misinformation, the “sky-is-falling-crowd” spreads hoaxes to support their form of theology.

Kind of a 'so what' type of summary.

Same goes for extreme dems and reps, religious outliers, riggers, social/political fanatics, and cosplay advocates.

I think it's a generic cultural thing where lazy people can get fanatical about bumper sticker ideology. It's lazy, but gives them a sense of belonging to something and they can get their little exciting buzz by being outraged and self righteous.

Social fanaticism is a clear replacement for low IQ religious fanaticism.

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[normiss 898]

Wait, you're talking about Trump, I thought this thread was about Jim Jones.

[DanG 1]

You forgot that it applies just as validly to deniers as to alarmists.

In other words, it is a stupid, pointless article.

Or, in even other words, it's just a troll article.

- Dan G

[rehmwa 2]

DanG

You forgot that it applies just as validly to deniers as to alarmists. .

not at all - deniers also reach that point if they take it far enough, same as alarmists. I'm pretty much skeptical of anyone that gets so worked up on a topic that they lose all ability to be reasonable about it.

that's why I take from it the general topic, and not just the climate thingy alone. Regardless that the author was just trolling a bit and didn't see the irony of it in writing it that way...

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[rehmwa 2]

normiss

Wait, you're talking about Trump, I thought this thread was about Jim Jones.

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I think it's a generic cultural thing where lazy people can get fanatical about bumper sticker ideology. It's lazy, but gives them a sense of belonging to something and they can get their little exciting buzz by being outraged and self righteous.

Agreed - The Trump response is exactly symptomatic of this. But don't be fooled. Almost every single candidate is playing this card. However, IMO - the Dems are, frankly, the most skilled at it.

I mean, it's crazy that the top issues are usually polarizing the public "for vs against" topics that are grossly emotionalized and oversimplified for public consumption. Look at this forum, highly intelligent people wallowing in caricatures and stereotypes and very passionate about it.

those pols that won't play the game get shut out fast - not enough attention span to hear them out

we are all screwed no matter what.

and who do we blame, the politicians? or the public that allows itself to be led like this?

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[DanG 1]

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However, IMO - the Dems are, frankly, the most skilled at it.

I don't see that. How do you figure?

- Dan G

[rehmwa 2]

DanG

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However, IMO - the Dems are, frankly, the most skilled at it.

I don't see that. How do you figure?

I don't know. More practice? Deeper strategy? Maybe it's just a more well considered platform that naturally pulls the desired responses. They just do it better and are a lot more successful.

if I had to design from scratch, I'd attack the extremes of my 'customer' awareness - Very immediate (what do I need today), and very remote (vaguely defined issues that sound big but don't really affect me at all - something I can blame elsewhere and expect someone else to deal with). Oversimplify the hell out of it and let nature take it's course. Anything in the middle? avoid like the plague. The trick is to identify and claim before the other guy does.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[DanG 1]

Maybe I don't understand what you mean by "it". I thought you were saying that the Democrats are better at getting people to believe anything they say with a religious fervor, even if it has no basis is reality and is to their own detriment, much like Jim Jones.

If that is what you were saying, I think both parties do it. I just don't figure why you think the Democrats do it better.

- Dan G

[rehmwa 2]

DanG

Maybe I don't understand what you mean by "it". I thought you were saying that the Democrats are better at getting people to believe anything they say with a religious fervor, even if it has no basis in reality and is to their own detriment, much like Jim Jones.

If that is what you were saying, I think both parties do it. I just don't figure why you think the Democrats do it better.

I'm a bit cynical (see item B below) but it's a transitive law thing -

A - I think the Dems are winning in general.
B - the bold above is what I think is 99% of all legislative policy
C - Dems are better at the strategy

so, if B = A, and B = C, then C = A

it's just loaded with subjective opinion, so if you disagree, I understand and I won't think you are Hitler or claim you are racist or anything....

And believing in something with a religious fervor, can be on anything, it doesn't have to be religion topics....

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[DanG 1]

I think I see what you are saying. I'm maybe a little less cynical. I think that on some issues (especially social issues) the Dems are winning because they are actually right, not just because they've tricked people into believing they are right. On other issues, mostly fiscal, both sides just lie like crazy and say anyone who disagrees is a commie/fascist/racist/low-information voter.

- Dan G

[rehmwa 2]

DanG

I think I see what you are saying. I'm maybe a little less cynical. I think that on some issues (especially social issues) the Dems are winning because they are actually right, not just because they've tricked people into believing they are right. On other issues, mostly fiscal, both sides just lie like crazy and say anyone who disagrees is a commie/fascist/racist/low-information voter.

I understand you. I think government has only one legitimate role in social issues, to keep inequalities from happening (defined by individuals compared to other individuals, not demographics). Trying to force social issues beyond that, IMHO, is likely counterproductive, especially in the long term - good intentions and horrible results. Maturation of a culture is not a magic legislative button and cultures respond negatively to forcing - strangely enough whether one benefits or not from it. I think the leaders understand that but can't make any hay if they acknowledge it. So, in that viewpoint, then your 'right' positions are most likely still just power plays with cosmetic actions, lots of talk, and recommendations to play into the bumper sticker crowd. (no offense,,,,)

Then don't even get us going into false 'social' agenda items that are truly restrictions of rights and wealth seizure and cronyism and favoritism, and blatant demographic plays, etc.....these aren't even hidden, and yes, both sides do it. It makes one very cynical even about intentions.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[DanG 1]

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I think government has only one legitimate role in social issues, to keep inequalities from happening (defined by individuals compared to other individuals, not demographics).

I agree with that.

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Trying to force social issues beyond that, IMHO, is likely counterproductive, especially in the long term - good intentions and horrible results. Maturation of a culture is not a magic legislative button and cultures respond negatively to forcing - strangely enough whether one benefits or not from it.

I think I agree with what you are saying, but not really with how it came out. I don't think the government should wait for the culture to catch up before enacting laws that prevent inequalities. If it did, then I can't see how we'd ever get out of the Jim Crow era, for example. I think government should act in a way that is morally correct, not just popular. Of course, some people will try to use invalid moral arguments to push a personal agenda, and other people will complain that any unpopular governmnt action (no matter how just) is tyranny. These things usually get worked out in hindsight, but I don't think governments should always wait for hindsight to kick in. Hell, there are still people who think interning Japanese-Americans during WWII was the right thing to do.

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So, in that viewpoint, then your 'right' positions are most likely still just power plays with cosmetic actions, lots of talk, and recommendations to play into the bumper sticker crowd. (no offense,,,,)

I have zero bumpers stickers on my car. No ofense taken. But, man, it sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays.

- Dan G

[rehmwa 2]

DanG

I don't think the government should wait for the culture to catch up before enacting laws that prevent inequalities.

I didn't say that at all. Proactive prevention of inequalities is a good idea. Proactive 'social experimentation' nonsense is totally different (and usually exactly the opposite of preventing inequalities) and one needs to recognize which is which. One helps the cause, the other clearly damages it severely. I think somewhere here we're overlapping the two from opposite sides.

We sound pretty much on the same side after all is said and done. Funny how that works vs the normal SC process. pretty decent talk, thanks.

it is Monday - but I'm like this all the time - it's a gift.....and a curse

no bumper stickers....I respect that, defacing what's a very expensive piece of property for a temporary message seems silly and shallow to me. I will put small decals on the glass, but only because they are easily removed - mostly skydiving and college stuff. Serious stuff? really? That requires a bit more than tacky and insulting paper products on a bumper.


as a random offering - this is entertaining if already out there a lot - but I do know very close examples to each of these caricatures - to the point that they aren't that much of an extrapolation at all......

http://www.usworldreport.com/this-hilarious-video-mocks-the-bizarre-liberalism-in-schools/

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants