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gowlerk

How can you judge it's bias without reading it? You are assuming a bias based on your feelings about NPR



The third paragraph is clearly biased - no assumption needed.

gowlerk

...If it is biased, it is tilted firmly toward the middle.


If the article was centered then it would've made an equal comparison by showing how many syrian refugees both countries have accepted in the last 5 years, just as they did with the U.S - but then that wouldn't have effectively conveyed their bias, would it?

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The story is not about comparing Canada to the US. Although that could be seen as a subtext. It's about showing how people in another country are dealing with the issue.



Then they could've left out the third paragraph altogether. Besides, the U.S has consistently taken in about 70,000 refugees a year for the past 40+ years - we fair pretty well without Canada's example.
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billvon

.It's biased...

It seems like anything you disagree with gets labeled "biased."



I'm just asking for an equal comparison without manipulating the stats just to take a jab at the U.S - perhaps you should try it sometime in lieu of you vain attempts at getting under people's skin.
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billvon

>I'm just asking for an equal comparison without manipulating the stats just to
>take a jab at the U.S

OK. Which stats were manipulated?



Again, here's the part of the article in question:
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Since Nov. 4, Canada has accepted 1,608 Syrian refugees. By comparison, the U.S. has accepted 2,547 Syrian refugees since that country's civil war began in 2011, according to State Department figures.



It's a manipulative comparison that appeals to their bias. NPR is basically saying "hey look everyone, Canada has taken in almost as many Syrian refuges in the last month that the U.S has taken in since 2011" - but if you apply an equal standard, there really isn't a significant difference in the amount of Syrian refugees accepted by either country in the last 5 years.

According to numbers from CIC, it appears that overall, the U.S takes in about 50,000 more refugees than Canada every year, so I find it laughable that NPR is trying to portray Canada as if they're setting some type of example for the U.S.

So far Canada has been all talk - They only have around 3000 of the 25,000 refugees they promised to take in by the end of February - now they'll have you believe that they're gonna take in 50,000 by the end of 2016, lol - crazy canuks.
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According to numbers from CIC, it appears that overall, the U.S takes in about 50,000 more refugees than Canada every year, so I find it laughable that NPR is trying to portray Canada as if they're setting some type of example for the U.S.



So what you're saying is the USA has 9 times the population of Canada and takes in only 3.5 times as many refugees.

Why is that funny?
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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normiss

So you prefer to manipulate the numbers to support your view.
Interesting.



How did I manipulate any numbers?

normiss

State Department reported the numbers in the same fashion that NPR did.



Where did the State department compare last months spike in Canadian refugees to the total number of U.S refugees over the last 5 years as if it actually meant something?
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According to numbers from CIC, it appears that overall, the U.S takes in about 50,000 more refugees than Canada every year, so I find it laughable that NPR is trying to portray Canada as if they're setting some type of example for the U.S.



So what you're saying is the USA has 9 times the population of Canada and takes in only 3.5 times as many refugees.



Certainly there are other factors to include other than mere population, like economic and social issues, GDP per capita, population density, immigration, etc.

At what point does population begin to limit the number of people a country can take in?

Is taking in 300,000 refugees a year just as sustainable as taking in a modest 100,000 a year? What is best in the long term?

How many more refugees should the U.S take in?

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billvon

>How did I manipulate any numbers?

"but if you apply an equal standard, there really isn't a significant difference in the amount of Syrian refugees accepted by either country in the last 5 years."



Well thanks, but it didn't take much skill to see that the US had accepted 2547 syrian refugees in the last 5 years - NPR already told us that number, remember? However, since they didn't keep a consistent comparison, I had to dig for the Canadian refugee number myself - approx. 2,987 according to the Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada and CIC.

I wish I could get an exact number for you, but apparently Canadian record keeping/transparency/technology does not seem up to par with the US state department's. I hope that doesn't get in the way of the 8000 more refugees they promised by the end of the week, lol.

So to sum it up:
My Manipulative Comparisons
Syrian Refugees In The Last 5 Years
United States - 2547
Canada - 2987

Syrian Refugees In The Last Year
United States - 2192
Canada - 2130

NPR's Manipulative Comparisons
Syrian Refugees In The Last 5 Years
United States - 2547

Syrian Refugees Since Last Month
Canada - 1608

:D
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normiss

Are monthly numbers available for the US stats?



Ya, but wtf difference would it make, both countries have taken in about the same number refugees - especially in the last year.

What would make a difference is if Canada gets 8000 more refugees by the end of the year like they promised...or the 25,000 by the end of February - but they won't, it's all bullshit - so now they're saying they'll have 60,000 by the end of next year - more bullshit, lol.
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normiss

I understand the numbers, yet if it's not reported or available monthly, is it manipulated?
As if any stats aren't to some degree.



If NPR wanted to compare Canada to the US, then why not just keep the comparison consistent? Why not just compare the number of US refugees in the last year to the number of Canadian refugees in the last year?

If all they wanted to do was circle jerk Canada, they why make the comparison at all?

Seriously, why did NPR make the comparison that they did if not to take a jab at the US in an overt attempt to sway public opinion with a bunch of bullshit?
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headoverheels


So your "manipulated" numbers show that Canada takes in about 10 times as many Syrian refugees, per capita, as the US. Is that your point?



Where we lack in Syrian refugees, we make up with a variety of 70,000 other needy refugees around the world that also need our help, along with about 1,000,000 new immigrants each year and 3-4 Billion Dollars of aid to Syrian refugees.

...but no, that's not my point, what's yours?
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So your "manipulated" numbers show that Canada takes in about 10 times as many Syrian refugees, per capita, as the US. Is that your point?



Where we lack in Syrian refugees, we make up with a variety of 70,000 other needy refugees around the world

Like I said though, compared to Canada you don't make it up, yo/u still lag pretty far behind. Unless you don't think there's any validity in comparisons between countries at all, in which case why are you still arguing?
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Where we lack in Syrian refugees, we make up with a variety of 70,000 other needy refugees around the world that also need our help




This is from a CBC news story in October:

"In 2014, 23,285 refugees were admitted to Canada, In recent years, refugees have accounted for slightly less than 10 per cent of all immigrants who come to Canada."


Congratulations on your wonderful record, The US does many good things as a world leader in exceptionalism. But it would need to take in many more than 70,000 refugees to match Canada on a per capita basis.

The US did much better in the Vietnamese refugee crisis of the 70s. They took in about 825,000 versus Canada's mere 60,000.

But the real reason I posted the link to the NPR story was not about government policy at all. It was about how many Canadians are working together to help resettle them. And I know that there are many people in the US who would do the same if given the chance.
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