Coreeece 2 #251 December 22, 2015 gowlerkHow can you judge it's bias without reading it? You are assuming a bias based on your feelings about NPR The third paragraph is clearly biased - no assumption needed. gowlerk...If it is biased, it is tilted firmly toward the middle. If the article was centered then it would've made an equal comparison by showing how many syrian refugees both countries have accepted in the last 5 years, just as they did with the U.S - but then that wouldn't have effectively conveyed their bias, would it? QuoteThe story is not about comparing Canada to the US. Although that could be seen as a subtext. It's about showing how people in another country are dealing with the issue. Then they could've left out the third paragraph altogether. Besides, the U.S has consistently taken in about 70,000 refugees a year for the past 40+ years - we fair pretty well without Canada's example.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #252 December 22, 2015 billvon.It's biased... It seems like anything you disagree with gets labeled "biased." I'm just asking for an equal comparison without manipulating the stats just to take a jab at the U.S - perhaps you should try it sometime in lieu of you vain attempts at getting under people's skin.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #253 December 22, 2015 How do you know those numbers are "manipulated"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #254 December 22, 2015 >I'm just asking for an equal comparison without manipulating the stats just to >take a jab at the U.S OK. Which stats were manipulated? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #255 December 22, 2015 billvon>I'm just asking for an equal comparison without manipulating the stats just to >take a jab at the U.S OK. Which stats were manipulated? Again, here's the part of the article in question: QuoteSince Nov. 4, Canada has accepted 1,608 Syrian refugees. By comparison, the U.S. has accepted 2,547 Syrian refugees since that country's civil war began in 2011, according to State Department figures. It's a manipulative comparison that appeals to their bias. NPR is basically saying "hey look everyone, Canada has taken in almost as many Syrian refuges in the last month that the U.S has taken in since 2011" - but if you apply an equal standard, there really isn't a significant difference in the amount of Syrian refugees accepted by either country in the last 5 years. According to numbers from CIC, it appears that overall, the U.S takes in about 50,000 more refugees than Canada every year, so I find it laughable that NPR is trying to portray Canada as if they're setting some type of example for the U.S. So far Canada has been all talk - They only have around 3000 of the 25,000 refugees they promised to take in by the end of February - now they'll have you believe that they're gonna take in 50,000 by the end of 2016, lol - crazy canuks.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #256 December 22, 2015 So you prefer to manipulate the numbers to support your view. Interesting. State Department reported the numbers in the same fashion that NPR did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #257 December 22, 2015 QuoteAccording to numbers from CIC, it appears that overall, the U.S takes in about 50,000 more refugees than Canada every year, so I find it laughable that NPR is trying to portray Canada as if they're setting some type of example for the U.S. So what you're saying is the USA has 9 times the population of Canada and takes in only 3.5 times as many refugees. Why is that funny?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #258 December 23, 2015 normissSo you prefer to manipulate the numbers to support your view. Interesting. How did I manipulate any numbers? normissState Department reported the numbers in the same fashion that NPR did. Where did the State department compare last months spike in Canadian refugees to the total number of U.S refugees over the last 5 years as if it actually meant something?Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #259 December 23, 2015 jakeeQuoteAccording to numbers from CIC, it appears that overall, the U.S takes in about 50,000 more refugees than Canada every year, so I find it laughable that NPR is trying to portray Canada as if they're setting some type of example for the U.S. So what you're saying is the USA has 9 times the population of Canada and takes in only 3.5 times as many refugees. Certainly there are other factors to include other than mere population, like economic and social issues, GDP per capita, population density, immigration, etc. At what point does population begin to limit the number of people a country can take in? Is taking in 300,000 refugees a year just as sustainable as taking in a modest 100,000 a year? What is best in the long term? How many more refugees should the U.S take in? What could ever make you people happy?Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #260 December 23, 2015 Oh, ok. So none of the numbers have any meaning at all or any validity as comparisons. Why didn't you just say that in the first place?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #261 December 23, 2015 Maybe because it won't make "you people" happy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #262 December 23, 2015 >How did I manipulate any numbers? "but if you apply an equal standard, there really isn't a significant difference in the amount of Syrian refugees accepted by either country in the last 5 years." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #263 December 24, 2015 billvon >How did I manipulate any numbers? "but if you apply an equal standard, there really isn't a significant difference in the amount of Syrian refugees accepted by either country in the last 5 years." Well thanks, but it didn't take much skill to see that the US had accepted 2547 syrian refugees in the last 5 years - NPR already told us that number, remember? However, since they didn't keep a consistent comparison, I had to dig for the Canadian refugee number myself - approx. 2,987 according to the Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada and CIC. I wish I could get an exact number for you, but apparently Canadian record keeping/transparency/technology does not seem up to par with the US state department's. I hope that doesn't get in the way of the 8000 more refugees they promised by the end of the week, lol. So to sum it up: My Manipulative Comparisons Syrian Refugees In The Last 5 Years United States - 2547 Canada - 2987 Syrian Refugees In The Last Year United States - 2192 Canada - 2130 NPR's Manipulative Comparisons Syrian Refugees In The Last 5 Years United States - 2547 Syrian Refugees Since Last Month Canada - 1608 Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #264 December 24, 2015 Are monthly numbers available for the US stats? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #265 December 24, 2015 normissAre monthly numbers available for the US stats? Ya, but wtf difference would it make, both countries have taken in about the same number refugees - especially in the last year. What would make a difference is if Canada gets 8000 more refugees by the end of the year like they promised...or the 25,000 by the end of February - but they won't, it's all bullshit - so now they're saying they'll have 60,000 by the end of next year - more bullshit, lol.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #266 December 24, 2015 I understand the numbers, yet if it's not reported or available monthly, is it manipulated? As if any stats aren't to some degree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #267 December 24, 2015 normissI understand the numbers, yet if it's not reported or available monthly, is it manipulated? As if any stats aren't to some degree. If NPR wanted to compare Canada to the US, then why not just keep the comparison consistent? Why not just compare the number of US refugees in the last year to the number of Canadian refugees in the last year? If all they wanted to do was circle jerk Canada, they why make the comparison at all? Seriously, why did NPR make the comparison that they did if not to take a jab at the US in an overt attempt to sway public opinion with a bunch of bullshit?Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #268 December 24, 2015 So your "manipulated" numbers show that Canada takes in about 10 times as many Syrian refugees, per capita, as the US. Is that your point? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #269 December 24, 2015 headoverheels So your "manipulated" numbers show that Canada takes in about 10 times as many Syrian refugees, per capita, as the US. Is that your point? Where we lack in Syrian refugees, we make up with a variety of 70,000 other needy refugees around the world that also need our help, along with about 1,000,000 new immigrants each year and 3-4 Billion Dollars of aid to Syrian refugees. ...but no, that's not my point, what's yours?Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #270 December 24, 2015 Coreeece*** So your "manipulated" numbers show that Canada takes in about 10 times as many Syrian refugees, per capita, as the US. Is that your point? Where we lack in Syrian refugees, we make up with a variety of 70,000 other needy refugees around the world Like I said though, compared to Canada you don't make it up, yo/u still lag pretty far behind. Unless you don't think there's any validity in comparisons between countries at all, in which case why are you still arguing?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,275 #271 December 24, 2015 QuoteWhere we lack in Syrian refugees, we make up with a variety of 70,000 other needy refugees around the world that also need our help This is from a CBC news story in October: "In 2014, 23,285 refugees were admitted to Canada, In recent years, refugees have accounted for slightly less than 10 per cent of all immigrants who come to Canada." Congratulations on your wonderful record, The US does many good things as a world leader in exceptionalism. But it would need to take in many more than 70,000 refugees to match Canada on a per capita basis. The US did much better in the Vietnamese refugee crisis of the 70s. They took in about 825,000 versus Canada's mere 60,000. But the real reason I posted the link to the NPR story was not about government policy at all. It was about how many Canadians are working together to help resettle them. And I know that there are many people in the US who would do the same if given the chance.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #272 December 24, 2015 Why are you trying to have a dick measuring contest about Syrian refugees?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #273 December 24, 2015 cvfd1399Why are you trying to have a dick measuring contest about Syrian refugees?? He is not. Coreece is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,275 #274 December 24, 2015 cvfd1399Why are you trying to have a dick measuring contest about Syrian refugees?? Merry ChristmasAlways remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #275 December 24, 2015 You all are.....and its stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
