Alternate reality

[kallend 2,175]

Gerard Baker, the editor in chief of the Wall Street Journal and debate moderator: “In seven years under President Obama, the U.S. has added an average of 107,000 jobs a month. Under President Clinton, the economy added about 240,000 jobs a month. Under George W. Bush, it was only 13,000 a month. If you win the nomination, you’ll probably be facing a Democrat named Clinton. How are you going to respond to the claim that Democratic presidents are better at creating jobs than Republicans?”

Fiorina: “Yes, problems have gotten much worse under Democrats.”

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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kallend

Gerard Baker, the editor in chief of the Wall Street Journal and debate moderator: “In seven years under President Obama, the U.S. has added an average of 107,000 jobs a month. Under President Clinton, the economy added about 240,000 jobs a month. Under George W. Bush, it was only 13,000 a month. If you win the nomination, you’ll probably be facing a Democrat named Clinton. How are you going to respond to the claim that Democratic presidents are better at creating jobs than Republicans?”

Fiorina: “Yes, problems have gotten much worse under Democrats.”

Fiorina was the architect of things getting much worse for thousands of her former employee's...

I guess in the realm of jellyfish brains that is a success??

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Fiorina was the architect of things getting much worse for thousands of her former employee's...

I guess in the realm of jellyfish brains that is a success??

Depends on why she was brought in.

That it's possible that we could very likely end up with a clinton vs trump ticket is depressing.

--
Rob

[kallend 2,175]

Fiorina on the tax code:
"Innovation and entrepreneurship is crushed by the crushing load of a 73,000-page tax code."


A PDF of The Internal Revenue Code is just shy of 6,500 pages.

Why doesn't she get called on such blatant lies?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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kallend

Fiorina on the tax code:
"Innovation and entrepreneurship is crushed by the crushing load of a 73,000-page tax code."


A PDF of The Internal Revenue Code is just shy of 6,500 pages.

Why doesn't she get called on such blatant lies?

I don't see why you're asking me. I'm not a supporter of hers, nor is it my job to call her out on any statements she made that don't line up with fact.

I merely commented that whether or not her corporate track record was a success or failure depended on what the goal of bringing her in was.

--
Rob

[JerryBaumchen 1,471]

Hi John,

Quote

Why doesn't she get called on such blatant lies?

Because of things like this: 'So, in the end, if Carson did lie, it does not matter now does it.'



Jerry Baumchen

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JerryBaumchen

Hi John,

Quote

Why doesn't she get called on such blatant lies?

Because of things like this: 'So, in the end, if Carson did lie, it does not matter now does it.'



Jerry Baumchen

What difference, at this point, does it really make anyway?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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turtlespeed

***Hi John,

Quote

Why doesn't she get called on such blatant lies?

Because of things like this: 'So, in the end, if Carson did lie, it does not matter now does it.'



Jerry Baumchen

What difference, at this point, does it really make anyway?

Don't mean nuthin... not a thang.

[headoverheels 334]

She must have gotten her info from these
guys. Watch the video, quite funny.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/11/06/watch-fox-news-stumble-through-outstanding-octo/206671

[kallend 2,175]

turtlespeed

***Hi John,

Quote

Why doesn't she get called on such blatant lies?

Because of things like this: 'So, in the end, if Carson did lie, it does not matter now does it.'



Jerry Baumchen

What difference, at this point, does it really make anyway?

66,500 pages.

She lied, by a factor of over 1,000%

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[turtlespeed 226]

kallend

******Hi John,

Quote

Why doesn't she get called on such blatant lies?

Because of things like this: 'So, in the end, if Carson did lie, it does not matter now does it.'



Jerry Baumchen

What difference, at this point, does it really make anyway?

66,500 pages.

She lied, by a factor of over 1,000%

Hillary lied about why 4 Americans died, which is more important in your book?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[kallend 2,175]

turtlespeed

*********Hi John,

Quote

Why doesn't she get called on such blatant lies?

Because of things like this: 'So, in the end, if Carson did lie, it does not matter now does it.'



Jerry Baumchen

What difference, at this point, does it really make anyway?

66,500 pages.

She lied, by a factor of over 1,000%

Hillary lied about why 4 Americans died, which is more important in your book?

Bush lied, 4,400 Americans died, and over $1 Trillion was pissed away. Which is more important in your book?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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kallend

************Hi John,

Quote

Why doesn't she get called on such blatant lies?

Because of things like this: 'So, in the end, if Carson did lie, it does not matter now does it.'



Jerry Baumchen

What difference, at this point, does it really make anyway?

66,500 pages.

She lied, by a factor of over 1,000%

Hillary lied about why 4 Americans died, which is more important in your book?

Bush lied, 4,400 Americans died, and over $1 Trillion was pissed away. Which is more important in your book?

You first.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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kallend

************Hi John,

Quote

Why doesn't she get called on such blatant lies?

Because of things like this: 'So, in the end, if Carson did lie, it does not matter now does it.'



Jerry Baumchen

What difference, at this point, does it really make anyway?

66,500 pages.

She lied, by a factor of over 1,000%

Hillary lied about why 4 Americans died, which is more important in your book?

Bush lied, 4,400 Americans died, and over $1 Trillion was pissed away. Which is more important in your book?

While it's virtually impossible to detect an elegant liar and disqualify him/her from gaining the presidency, we can at least eliminate oafish liars from the playing field that tend to expose themselves prior to being elected into office...

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[SkyDekker 1,465]

turtlespeed

***************Hi John,

Quote

Why doesn't she get called on such blatant lies?

Because of things like this: 'So, in the end, if Carson did lie, it does not matter now does it.'



Jerry Baumchen

What difference, at this point, does it really make anyway?

66,500 pages.

She lied, by a factor of over 1,000%

Hillary lied about why 4 Americans died, which is more important in your book?

Bush lied, 4,400 Americans died, and over $1 Trillion was pissed away. Which is more important in your book?

You first.

The shame is using the 4 dead Americans to try and diminish the poll numbers of a candidate of another party.

Specially when you are so incredibly incompetent you cannot even accomplish that, after a couple of million and 4 dead Americans.

But I guess the effort is what counts right?

[BIGUN 1,503]

kallend

Fiorina on the tax code:
"Innovation and entrepreneurship is crushed by the crushing load of a 73,000-page tax code."


A PDF of The Internal Revenue Code is just shy of 6,500 pages.

Why doesn't she get called on such blatant lies?

http://money.cnn.com/quizzes/2013/pf/taxes/tax-code/1r.html?score=1&1=3

http://politicalcalculations.blogspot.com/2014/04/2014-how-many-pages-in-us-tax-code.html
Source: Wolters Kluwer CCH Standard Tax Reporter, which has updated their data through the 2013 tax year.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[cvfd1399 0]

I eagerly await his reply...

[headoverheels 334]

cvfd1399

I eagerly await his reply...

He will likely send you this link

http://uscode.house.gov/download/releasepoints/us/pl/114/73/pdf_usc26@114-73.zip

which is a .zip file that expands to the Title 26 - Internal Revenue Code pdf document, which is 6457 pages in length.

[headoverheels 334]

I can get Fiorina's 3-pages down to one:

1. How much did you make last year?

2. Send it in.


Yeah, first heard that 40+ years ago and it was old then.

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headoverheels

I can get Fiorina's 3-pages down to one:

1. How much did you make last year?

2. Send it in.


Yeah, first heard that 40+ years ago and it was old then.

But not entirely incorrect.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Ben Carson syndrome. Only this time his half truths make him correct.

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cvfd1399

Ben Carson syndrome. Only this time his half truths make him correct.

Well, to be honest, half correct.

The rest is conjecture and wishing.

I have a unicorn for sale.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[BIGUN 1,503]

headoverheels

***I eagerly await his reply...

He will likely send you this link

http://uscode.house.gov/download/releasepoints/us/pl/114/73/pdf_usc26@114-73.zip

which is a .zip file that expands to the Title 26 - Internal Revenue Code pdf document, which is 6457 pages in length.

That's just a Table of Contents

Quote

The Code has grown so long that it has become challenging even to figure out how long it is. A search of the Code conducted in the course of preparing this report turned up 3.7 million words.

6 A 2001 study published by the Joint Committee on Taxation put the number of words in the Code at that time at 1,395,000.

7. A 2005 report by a tax research organization put the number of words at 2.1 million, and notably, found that the number of words in the Code has more than tripled since 1975.

8 Tax regulations, which are issued by the Treasury Department to provide guidance on the meaning of the Internal Revenue Code, now stand about a foot tall.

9 The CCH Standard Federal Tax Reporter, a leading publication for tax professionals that summarizes administrative guidance and judicial decisions issued under each section of the Code, now comprises 25 volumes and takes up nine feet of shelf space.

Source: https://www.irs.gov/pub/tas/08_tas_arc_msp_1.pdf

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[GeorgiaDon 385]

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That's just a Table of Contents

Perhaps you were joking, but at any rate it is the actual code, text and all. I uploaded and opened it to make sure.

When people refer to "74,000 words" they are apparently referring to the "CCH Standard Federal Tax Reporter". According to your own link, this is "a leading publication for tax professionals that summarizes administrative guidance and judicial decisions issued under each section of the Code", and it "now comprises 25 volumes and takes up nine feet of shelf space." This encompass the actual code, plus explanations and guidance for tax professionals, and discussion of court interpretations of the law. These additions take up about 10 pages for every page of actual tax code. No question the code is highly complex, if it takes 10 pages to explain one page of the law in terms tax professionals can understand.

I very much suspect that a highly simplified code (e.g. a 3 page law) would only be a windfall for taxpayers who could afford to employ tax lawyers. Every term in the law has to be defined precisely within the text of the law, as any ambiguity will be used as an excuse to argue the law doesn't apply to them. Also a lot of tax situations are actually complicated, and the law will have to anticipate as many of those situations as possible. It's tempting to say "no deductions", but is that fair, for example, to the mechanic who has to buy their own tools for their job? If you own your own business, should you have to pay tax on every dollar you bring in without being allowed to deduct anything for legitimate costs of running your business, such as rent, utilities, cost for equipment, or payroll? That would be a huge disincentive to anyone starting a business. Also all those costs would have to passed on to customers. What do you think a jump ticket would cost, if the DZO could not deduct the cost of maintenance or fuel for the plane, rent on the hangar, the cost of tandem and rental rigs, etc? However, if the law was to make accommodation for such business expenses, all that would have to be carefully defined and explained within the law. An overly loose definition would just provide a loophole any CPA could drive a truck through.

I'm quite certain that if the tax code was reduced to 3 pages, neither Carly Fiorina, Donald Trump, nor anyone else running for either the Republican or Democrat ticket would pay a dime in taxes unless they voluntarily chose to do so.

No doubt the code can be made much more straightforward, and therefore shorter, but 3 pages is just as ridiculous as 6,000 (or 74,000 for that matter).

Don

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> It's tempting to say "no deductions", but is that fair, for example, to the mechanic
>who has to buy their own tools for their job?

And even if you did that, there would be new loopholes, as mechanics discovered ways to get other people to purchase the tools for them. "10% off! Click HERE to pay the labor portion of your bill, and click HERE to pay the tool portion of your bill." Customer is paying for a tool, rather than paying the mechanic, so the mechanic doesn't have to pay taxes on that income.

Then in two years some politician says "close the loopholes!" And laws are passed making that illegal (or requiring mechanic to pay tax on the value of the tool.) But exactly how does that work? Need another page in the tax code to describe it.