tkhayes 348 #26 November 9, 2015 'does not look good' what does that mean exactly? Define 'good'. Even Rome is still standing. I never understand why everything has to be so perfect forever. No government, system of government, dynasty or kingdom has ever stood forever. things change. America is still here, the current system we have will probably collapse someday, and might even result in lost lives and social changes in government. Most likely, we will throw out the old and replace it with a more socialist govt after the corruption of the wealthy and the poverty of the poor reach the appropriate extremes. And after that, America will still be here, you and I (if we are still here - but I doubt it) will still get up in the morning, take a shower and a shit and go to work. It really is that simple. The Uk still exists. Rome still exists. China and Japan still exist. India has been here for centuries....they have changed and they still exist. And if your heaven exists, I expect you will get there and so will I....but the more likely scenario is simply........nothing. Your introductory post is interesting, but these are not the only two scenarios for the USA, there are several hundred thousand others than none of us can predict. For now, i will work towards keeping the lunatics out of office. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #27 November 9, 2015 QuoteRumor has it that two counties up here have been designated as resettlement areas for Muslim refugees. Says a lot about the rumour mongers, don't it?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #28 November 9, 2015 RonD1120 I say we are in the last days and it does not look good for America. Lots and lots and lots of last days...Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhays 86 #29 November 10, 2015 Here's a much more positive view to consider. But since that's not conducive to bringing about the 2nd coming I'm sure most Christians will pay it no heed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6IPFyHEv3o“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #30 November 11, 2015 tonyhaysHere's a much more positive view to consider. But since that's not conducive to bringing about the 2nd coming I'm sure most Christians will pay it no heed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6IPFyHEv3o The video is well put together. I quit fretting about the homosexual perversion a long time ago. We are past the tipping point in America. The narrator stated it correctly when he pointed out that various forms of hatred have existed since history was recorded. We are all born into sin. We are all sinners. Only a personal experience with Jesus Christ, the Lord of lords, the King of kings, the Son of God can change a person's thinking. You must be born again to see the kingdom of heaven.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #31 November 11, 2015 RonD1120 Only a personal experience with Jesus Christ, the Lord of lords, the King of kings, the Son of God can change a person's thinking. Errr.... no.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhays 86 #32 November 11, 2015 QuoteThe video is well put together. I quit fretting about the homosexual perversion a long time ago. We are past the tipping point in America. Past the tipping point? Please give specific examples why. QuoteThe narrator stated it correctly when he pointed out that various forms of hatred have existed since history was recorded. We are all born into sin. We are all sinners. Know what else has existed since history was recorded? A belief in some sort of deity. Coincidence? I think not.“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #33 November 12, 2015 Stumpy*** Only a personal experience with Jesus Christ, the Lord of lords, the King of kings, the Son of God can change a person's thinking. Errr.... no. The following is a good explanation from Oswald Chambers. QuoteWhat understanding do you have of the salvation of your soul? The work of salvation means that in your real life things are dramatically changed. You no longer look at things in the same way. Your desires are new and the old things have lost their power to attract you. One of the tests for determining if the work of salvation in your life is genuine is— has God changed the things that really matter to you? If you still yearn for the old things, it is absurd to talk about being born from above— you are deceiving yourself. If you are born again, the Spirit of God makes the change very evident in your real life and thought. And when a crisis comes, you are the most amazed person on earth at the wonderful difference there is in you. There is no possibility of imagining that you did it. It is this complete and amazing change that is the very evidence that you are saved. That's what I am talking about.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #34 November 12, 2015 RonD1120****** Only a personal experience with Jesus Christ, the Lord of lords, the King of kings, the Son of God can change a person's thinking. Errr.... no. The following is a good explanation from Oswald Chambers. QuoteWhat understanding do you have of the salvation of your soul? The work of salvation means that in your real life things are dramatically changed. You no longer look at things in the same way. Your desires are new and the old things have lost their power to attract you. One of the tests for determining if the work of salvation in your life is genuine is— has God changed the things that really matter to you? If you still yearn for the old things, it is absurd to talk about being born from above— you are deceiving yourself. If you are born again, the Spirit of God makes the change very evident in your real life and thought. And when a crisis comes, you are the most amazed person on earth at the wonderful difference there is in you. There is no possibility of imagining that you did it. It is this complete and amazing change that is the very evidence that you are saved. That's what I am talking about. The issue I have with this is there is an assumed premise that any soul really needs to be saved. This shows only one side of any explanation. There is no other view allowed for. . . . And then there is the whole thing that a simple electronic pulse to the right part of the brain gives you all that and more. Why don't we just hook ourselves up to some electrodes and be saved that way?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #35 November 12, 2015 Quote. . . And then there is the whole thing that a simple electronic pulse to the right part of the brain gives you all that and more. Why don't we just hook ourselves up to some electrodes and be saved that way? Do you follow Mercer? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #36 November 12, 2015 DanGQuote. . . And then there is the whole thing that a simple electronic pulse to the right part of the brain gives you all that and more. Why don't we just hook ourselves up to some electrodes and be saved that way? Do you follow Mercer? I was interested a while back. Some of the info seemed unreal. Some all to real.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #37 November 12, 2015 DanGQuote. . . And then there is the whole thing that a simple electronic pulse to the right part of the brain gives you all that and more. Why don't we just hook ourselves up to some electrodes and be saved that way? Do you follow Mercer? Also, I was referring to this. I'd consider wearing one. It might be interesting to experience the new fangled electronic drugs there are out there, if there isn't any harm involved. I was always fascinated by the science behind the fictional movie "altered states".I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #38 November 12, 2015 RonD1120****** Only a personal experience with Jesus Christ, the Lord of lords, the King of kings, the Son of God can change a person's thinking. Errr.... no. The following is a good explanation from Oswald Chambers. QuoteWhat understanding do you have of the salvation of your soul? The work of salvation means that in your real life things are dramatically changed. You no longer look at things in the same way. Your desires are new and the old things have lost their power to attract you. One of the tests for determining if the work of salvation in your life is genuine is— has God changed the things that really matter to you? If you still yearn for the old things, it is absurd to talk about being born from above— you are deceiving yourself. If you are born again, the Spirit of God makes the change very evident in your real life and thought. And when a crisis comes, you are the most amazed person on earth at the wonderful difference there is in you. There is no possibility of imagining that you did it. It is this complete and amazing change that is the very evidence that you are saved. That's what I am talking about. Sure. That's what's commonly known as a "Spiritual Experience", or what Jung called a "Psychic Change." It's a deep and fundamental change in how a person views the world and acts and understands and everything. Lots of people go through them. To imply that 'through Jesus" is the only way to have one is pretty presumptuous."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #39 November 12, 2015 turtlespeed***Quote. . . And then there is the whole thing that a simple electronic pulse to the right part of the brain gives you all that and more. Why don't we just hook ourselves up to some electrodes and be saved that way? Do you follow Mercer? Also, I was referring to this. I'd consider wearing one. It might be interesting to experience the new fangled electronic drugs there are out there, if there isn't any harm involved. I was always fascinated by the science behind the fictional movie "altered states". Ever read any Larry Niven? Wirehead addiction is a terrible thing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #40 November 12, 2015 Amazon******Quote. . . And then there is the whole thing that a simple electronic pulse to the right part of the brain gives you all that and more. Why don't we just hook ourselves up to some electrodes and be saved that way? Do you follow Mercer? Also, I was referring to this. I'd consider wearing one. It might be interesting to experience the new fangled electronic drugs there are out there, if there isn't any harm involved. I was always fascinated by the science behind the fictional movie "altered states". Ever read any Larry Niven? Wirehead addiction is a terrible thing I'm not familiar with Niven. I'd be very cautious about trying anything that electronically manipulates my neurons.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 892 #41 November 12, 2015 I'm hearing of some exciting developments with transcranial magnetic stimulation, maybe that might be safer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #42 November 12, 2015 normiss I'm hearing of some exciting developments with transcranial magnetic stimulation, maybe that might be safer. I don't have epilepsy, but if I did . , .I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 892 #43 November 12, 2015 I was not aware they used it for that also. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #44 November 12, 2015 normissI was not aware they used it for that also. ***Areas of research include the rehabilitation of aphasia and motor disability after stroke,[6][8][11][12][51] tinnitus,[6][52] anxiety disorders,[6] obsessive-compulsive disorder,[6] amyotrophic lateral sclerosis,[6] multiple sclerosis,[6] epilepsy,[6]Alzheimer's disease,[6] Parkinson's disease,[53]schizophrenia,[6] substance abuse,[6] addiction,[6][54] and posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD).[6][55]I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 892 #45 November 12, 2015 Huh. I was reading some articles on it's use for autism and aspergers. Interesting stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #46 November 12, 2015 RonD1120Ya, the sales pitch did not compliment the message. I am seeking the book One Second After. It purports to discuss America following an EMP bomb attack. ................................................ "One Second After" is one of the best survivalist books, William Forstcher (sp?) has researched how and EMP would affect his little college town and lays out the consequences in a brutally honest way. His story only resorts to violence when marauding gangs come to town. Strongly recommended reading for anyone who thinks farther ahead than their next latte. Which reminds me to stock up on beans. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,109 #47 November 12, 2015 >"One Second After" is one of the best survivalist books, William Forstcher (sp?) >has researched how and EMP would affect his little college town and lays out >the consequences in a brutally honest way. Agreed. He overestimates some results of EMP and underestimates others, but overall it's one of the more realistic books I've read about TEOTWAWKI. (He has a second book out now that's more fighting than surviving, but it's still pretty good.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #48 November 12, 2015 RonD1120 I am seeking the book One Second After. It purports to discuss America following an EMP bomb attack. I have a .pdf version if you're interested. I found it on a yahoo server for private groups. The .pdf is a bit sloppy and I can't verify the content - I never got to reading it. Personally, I think I would rather just sit in the recliner and read the paperback version. Plus the .pdf might be useless in an EMP attack. It seems like a good read - I might stop by the used book store in town and see what they have. I didn't get a chance to view your links yet, but I got a kick out of the photo you attached: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=147209; *In my Russian Accent* "Strong, like bull..."Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #49 November 12, 2015 turtlespeed********* Only a personal experience with Jesus Christ, the Lord of lords, the King of kings, the Son of God can change a person's thinking. Errr.... no. The following is a good explanation from Oswald Chambers. QuoteWhat understanding do you have of the salvation of your soul? The work of salvation means that in your real life things are dramatically changed. You no longer look at things in the same way. Your desires are new and the old things have lost their power to attract you. One of the tests for determining if the work of salvation in your life is genuine is— has God changed the things that really matter to you? If you still yearn for the old things, it is absurd to talk about being born from above— you are deceiving yourself. If you are born again, the Spirit of God makes the change very evident in your real life and thought. And when a crisis comes, you are the most amazed person on earth at the wonderful difference there is in you. There is no possibility of imagining that you did it. It is this complete and amazing change that is the very evidence that you are saved. That's what I am talking about. The issue I have with this is there is an assumed premise that any soul really needs to be saved. This shows only one side of any explanation. There is no other view allowed for. . . . And then there is the whole thing that a simple electronic pulse to the right part of the brain gives you all that and more. Why don't we just hook ourselves up to some electrodes and be saved that way? knock yourself out - go nuts...Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #50 November 12, 2015 RonD1120****** Only a personal experience with Jesus Christ, the Lord of lords, the King of kings, the Son of God can change a person's thinking. Errr.... no. The following is a good explanation from Oswald Chambers. QuoteWhat understanding do you have of the salvation of your soul? The work of salvation means that in your real life things are dramatically changed. You no longer look at things in the same way. Your desires are new and the old things have lost their power to attract you. One of the tests for determining if the work of salvation in your life is genuine is— has God changed the things that really matter to you? If you still yearn for the old things, it is absurd to talk about being born from above— you are deceiving yourself. If you are born again, the Spirit of God makes the change very evident in your real life and thought. And when a crisis comes, you are the most amazed person on earth at the wonderful difference there is in you. There is no possibility of imagining that you did it. It is this complete and amazing change that is the very evidence that you are saved. That's what I am talking about. Thats sweet. And as others have said, still wrong.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
