Dr. Carson the street thug?

[billvon 3,076]

>I mean an actual fabrication, not mud slinging.

See above. FOX claimed that Obama called Romney a felon. Since he did not, that was a fabrication. They also claimed that his birth certificate was a fraud. Since it was not, that was a fabrication. (Or in the real world a "lie.")

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Spin it however you want.

It is totally plausible that he did get an offer from the General to help get into West Point (which is free of charge so a recommendation letter is basically a full scholarship) in a conversation and he never applied.

See that's the thing show me where Ben him self said he applied. The media is spinning it to sound like he said that he did and claiming they could find no records. Well of course there won't be any records he never applied or said that he did.

It's half truths spun up for the less informed leftists. The same shit fox does, now admit it.

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http://www.dailywire.com/news/960/no-ben-carson-didnt-lie-about-west-point-its-ben-shapiro

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But Carson never said he applied. He said he was extended a full scholarship offer. What’s more, West Point doesn’t offer scholarships: all admission is free contingent on serving in the military afterwards. It thus seems probable that Westmoreland or another military figure tried to recruit Carson, telling him that he wouldn’t have to pay for his education – and that Carson read that as a “full scholarship,” and never applied.

In fact, that’s exactly what Carson’s campaign manager said to Politico in an email:

Dr. Carson was the top ROTC student in the City of Detroit. In that role he was invited to meet General Westmoreland. He believes it was at a banquet. He can’t remember with specificity their brief conversation but it centered around Dr. Carson’s performance as ROTC City Executive Officer. He was introduced to folks from West Point by his ROTC Supervisors. They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in ROTC. He considered it but in the end did not seek admission. But here’s how Politico editorialized: “When presented with this evidence, Carson’s campaign conceded the story was false.”

That’s nonsense. They did no such thing. They provided details that corroborated Carson’s story and explained his loose use of the language. If someone told you that you could go to college for free, you might reasonably conclude that you had been offered a full scholarship to attend that university. But Politico would call you a liar if you used such language to describe the exchange.

Now, some on the right are saying that Carson should be held to a higher standard here than other candidates because he’s running as an “outsider.” But this is a basic case of misinterpreting facts, not an outright lie. Carson served in ROTC. Prominent people wanted him to go to West Point. He wouldn’t have had to pay. He didn’t apply because he didn’t want to go. Those facts are not in dispute. It’s the specific wording over which media have decided to crucify him.

This is a textbook example of a left-wing media hit. Politico would never editorialize about any Democrat who issued such a response to a factual inquiry in this manner. Politico won’t even conclude that Hillary Clinton lied about her attribution of the Benghazi attacks to a YouTube video despite email evidence that she knew Benghazi was a terrorist attack entirely unrelated to a YouTube video.

[kallend 2,107]

The weaseling from the Carson campaign is truly amazing. The guy outright LIED in his book about being offered a full scholarship to West Point.

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Where show me where he lied underline it please. And you can turn your sarcasm filter off john I have admitted to voting for sanders I am defending no one but common sense here.

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Where show me where he lied underline it please. And you can turn your sarcasm filter off john I have admitted to voting for sanders I am defending no one but common sense here.

"Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point.” Direct quote from his book.

Didn't happen.

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[billvon 3,076]

>"Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point.” Direct quote from his book.

He was using the right wing definition of "offered."

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It thus seems probable that Westmoreland or another military figure tried to recruit Carson, telling him that he wouldn’t have to pay for his education – and that Carson read that as a “full scholarship,” and never applied.

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Where show me where he lied underline it please. And you can turn your sarcasm filter off john I have admitted to voting for sanders I am defending no one but common sense here.

Sorry, I didn't underline it. NOW you will be able to find the lie.

"Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point.” Direct quote from his book.

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It thus seems probable that Westmoreland or another military figure tried to recruit Carson, telling him that he wouldn’t have to pay for his education – and that Carson read that as a “full scholarship,” and never applied.

QED. Excellent example of weaseling.

The guy is (apparently) smart enough to get an MD and become a surgeon, yet can't understand what he's told about college.

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http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/ben-carson-never-applied-west-point-campaign-says-n458731

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A spokesperson from West Point told NBC News they have no record of anything being offered to Carson, but that is not uncommon for an applicant at that time who does not ultimately seek admission.

You have ZERO proof that he never received an offer from the general or other staff at that dinner. None. It is totally possible as even West Point admitted that he could have had all the hookups necessary to get the ball rolling but decided to go to medical school instead which would leave NO paper trail.

I dont like the guy I think he looks high all the time and talks with a mush mouth and would not vote for him but I will be damned if I sit here, do nothing and let you spin this into something it isn't

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http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/ben-carson-never-applied-west-point-campaign-says-n458731

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A spokesperson from West Point told NBC News they have no record of anything being offered to Carson, but that is not uncommon for an applicant at that time who does not ultimately seek admission.

You have ZERO proof that he never received an offer from the general or other staff at that dinner. None. It is totally possible as even West Point admitted that he could have had all the hookups necessary to get the ball rolling but decided to go to medical school instead which would leave NO paper trail.

From his book: “I still had the scholarship offer from West Point as a result of my R.O.T.C. achievements.”

From his Facebook post in August:

"The next question is from Bill. He wanted to know if it was true that I was offered a slot at West Point after high school.
Bill, that is true. I was the highest student ROTC member in Detroit and was thrilled to get an offer from West Point."

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Do you even understand how West Point works?
What exactly is a "free ride" there?

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kallend

***http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/ben-carson-never-applied-west-point-campaign-says-n458731

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A spokesperson from West Point told NBC News they have no record of anything being offered to Carson, but that is not uncommon for an applicant at that time who does not ultimately seek admission.

You have ZERO proof that he never received an offer from the general or other staff at that dinner. None. It is totally possible as even West Point admitted that he could have had all the hookups necessary to get the ball rolling but decided to go to medical school instead which would leave NO paper trail.

From his book: “I still had the scholarship offer from West Point as a result of my R.O.T.C. achievements.”

From his Facebook post in August:

"The next question is from Bill. He wanted to know if it was true that I was offered a slot at West Point after high school.
Bill, that is true. I was the highest student ROTC member in Detroit and was thrilled to get an offer from West Point."


Great that changes nothing it is still 100% possible he was told by the General and West Point staff that he had whatever he needed to get in(call it as reserved spot, scholarship, full ride, whatever) and west point admits that that could have been the case and that no paperwork would have been done at the time unless admission took place.

The only thing you have to argue at this point is the wording he used, but the intent of what he is saying is 100% possible.

You cant sit there as an honest thinking man and say that there is no way a bunch of higher up military/politicians could not have met a person one on one and offered something to someone knowing the probably did not have immediate authorization, but could get it done if the person wanted. That is what we are talking about here. A general and west point staff seeing him and his ROTC record at a function and offering or promising him into west point.

We see shit like that done for well off connected draft dodgers it is completely plausible this happened.

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It is totally plausible that he did get an offer from the General to help get into West Point (which is free of charge so a recommendation letter is basically a full scholarship) in a conversation and he never applied.

Obviously you should go back and read the thread because I spelled it out for you earlier that it is tuition free, but that someone who was offered a slot could totally explain to someone who was unfamiliar with it that it is basically a full scholarship paid by the army(feds). Someone has to pay for it right!

[kallend 2,107]

The weasel is strong with this one.

He WROTE (on more than one occasion) he received an offer from West Point. West point says he didn't even apply.

He WROTE he was offered a full scholarship. West Point doesn't offer scholarships.

He WROTE he met the general on a date when the general wasn't even in town.

He put the lies in writing.

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Please explain what I could possibly gain by weaseling for Ben Carson. I have already stated I dont like him, and am voting for a Democrat. That right there should show you im not sticking up for the man, but the principal of this issue.


"This post was edited by kallend on Nov 6, 2015, 4:45 PM"
Nice ninja edit you did to add this three minutes after I replied to you , but I will debate it.

"He WROTE (on more than one occasion) he received an offer from West Point. West point says he didn't even apply."

That's right west point said he diddn't apply, neither did he and in that case west point themselves said there would be no record.

"He WROTE he was offered a full scholarship. West Point doesn't offer scholarships."

What would call it when an institution of higher education allows you to attend free of charge for the entire duration of your education? Furthermore how would you explain that situation to someone unfamiliar with the process. Its a god damned semantics issue. Yes they dont do "scholarships" but if you get in its fucking free scholarship for a college education. If you deny that isnt the case and how you would explain it to someone well your too obtuse to even carry on about this anymore.

He WROTE he met the general on a date when the general wasn't even in town.

I am unfamiliar with all of that let me get back to you.

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winsor

***No, he claimed that he was given a full scholarship to West Point. Now he is conceding that never happened.

I now see what you're saying about there being a banquet about 4 months earlier.

Carson is toast.

Part of his appeal is his apparent honesty. Since it is becoming apparent that he is a lying piece of shit, his numbers are likely to tank.

Clinton, OTOH, is a lawyer, so 'truth' to her depends on what the definition of "is" is.


BSBD,

Winsor

Apparently his poll numbers among inner city blacks have tanked since it was revealed that he didn't really stab anyone.

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[kallend 2,107]

Directly from his (previously linked) Facebook page:

"The next question is from Bill. He wanted to know if it was true that I was offered a slot at West Point after high school.
Bill, that is true. I was the highest student ROTC member in Detroit and was thrilled to get an offer from West Point."

But West Point said he did NOT apply, was NOT admitted, and they made NO offer of admission OR anything else.


Your weaseling does nothing for your credibility.

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kallend

"The next question is from Bill. He wanted to know if it was true that I was offered a slot at West Point after high school.
Bill, that is true. I was the highest student ROTC member in Detroit and was thrilled to get an offer from West Point."

But West Point said he was NOT admitted and they made NO offer of admission OR anything else.


Your weaseling does nothing for your credibility.

Whatever it is completely clear trying to reason with you is like banging your head on a brick wall. You are going to believe what you want and everyone is wrong. Well others can come in see for themselves and express their own determination if they want. But in my opinion this was a misrepresentation and implication by politico to make readers think more into what really happened to tarnish Carson.

Facts are there is no record of an admission because he never applied, he never said he applied, and west point admits there wont be any record of anything unless he applied which he diddnt, and again never admitted to.

[billvon 3,076]

If Hillary Clinton had said anything like the above, you would have already called her a lying bitch.

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"The next question is from Bill. He wanted to know if it was true that I was offered a slot at West Point after high school.
Bill, that is true. I was the highest student ROTC member in Detroit and was thrilled to get an offer from West Point."

But West Point said he was NOT admitted and they made NO offer of admission OR anything else.


Your weaseling does nothing for your credibility.

Whatever it is completely clear trying to reason with you is like banging your head on a brick wall. You are going to believe what you want and everyone is wrong. Well others can come in see for themselves and express their own determination if they want. But in my opinion this was a misrepresentation and implication by politico to make readers think more into what really happened to tarnish Carson.

Facts are there is no record of an admission because he never applied, he never said he applied, and west point admits there wont be any record of anything unless he applied which he diddnt, and again never admitted to.

But he wrote that he was offered a slot and thrilled to get an offer from West Point. Simply not true. West Point didn't offer him anything. And Gen. Westmoreland wasn't even eligible to nominate him. And he didn't write this as a naive 18 year old who may not have understood what was what. He wrote it JUST THIS YEAR on his Facebook page.

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Are you saying it is untrue that he ever met with the General and west point staff and was offered everything he needed to get into west point all he needed to do was go for it?

Because the things he stated mean the same thing.

If the number 3 guy from Apple came up to me and said I like your stuff I want you in our company and will get you a job. I am not the guy that is in charge, but I can make it happen. And if I declined any you went to check up on it apple would go no he never applied here but offers usually dont get recorded unless someone comes to apply, and the guy that offered it is dead so there is no way to confirm it. Am I a liar if I said apple offered me a job? Because thats the exact type of thing that happened here.

He stated he met with the general AND west point staff.

[Stumpy 284]

When you are standing in a hole, it's probably a good idea to stop digging. Let it go dude, seriously. You are wrong.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

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Stumpy

When you are standing in a hole, it's probably a good idea to stop digging. Let it go dude, seriously. You are wrong.

Amazing, isn't it, that when a news anchor (Brian Williams) was caught in a lie he was hounded out of his job. O'Reilly got heat for his lie too (but kept his job). Now Carson is caught in a lie and people are defending him with weasel-words.

And news anchors aren't even running for president.

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