Dr. Carson the street thug?

[Bolas 5]

Ben Carson is the new Herman Cain.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[billvon 3,076]

>Ben Carson is the new Herman Cain.

Nein! Nein! Nein!

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>Perhaps you will explain for us how he met with Gen. Westmoreland in Detroit
>on a day that Gen. Westmoreland wasn't in Detroit.

He met Westmoreland in Detroit in 1969 and was offered a scholarship to West Point! You are not allowed to question that statement. It's a "GOP Truth."

Must be politifacts too

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/08/ben-carson/carson-defends-west-point-scholarship-story/

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>Ben Carson is the new Herman Cain.

Nein! Nein! Nein!

He is a conservative while being black
Cant have that
And he is the one that is so far shown to beat Hillary
Cant have that

So, lying seems to be an issue
Since Hillary is now a proven confirmed liar, you going to treat her the same?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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Since Hillary is now a proven confirmed liar, you going to treat her the same?

There is no way the liberal media would point out anything dishonest that Hillary ever did. We'd simply never hear about it, right?

I mean, if she had lied about being a sniper target in Bosnia, it would get covered up by the limp wristed progressives in the left wing Super PAC. If she had scandals related to her e-mail, it would be swept under the rug. If she misrepresented something that happened in some far off country, like Libya maybe, the public would never know!

That's how effective the liberal Super PAC is at protecting her.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

DanG

Quote

Since Hillary is now a proven confirmed liar, you going to treat her the same?

There is no way the liberal media would point out anything dishonest that Hillary ever did. We'd simply never hear about it, right?

I mean, if she had lied about being a sniper target in Bosnia, it would get covered up by the limp wristed progressives in the left wing Super PAC. If she had scandals related to her e-mail, it would be swept under the rug. If she misrepresented something that happened in some far off country, like Libya maybe, the public would never know!

That's how effective the liberal Super PAC is at protecting her.

Not really
Some things can not just be ignored or they damage what little credibility they still have

But they drop it very fast
Not like the dumb beat about any little thing they can find on republicans

But you did not answer the question I posed to others
If Carson lying is a bad thing and should remove him from being president, shouldn't the same standard be held for the known liar Hillary?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,107]

rushmc

***>Perhaps you will explain for us how he met with Gen. Westmoreland in Detroit
>on a day that Gen. Westmoreland wasn't in Detroit.

He met Westmoreland in Detroit in 1969 and was offered a scholarship to West Point! You are not allowed to question that statement. It's a "GOP Truth."

Must be politifacts too

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/08/ben-carson/carson-defends-west-point-scholarship-story/

Perhaps you will explain for us how he met with Gen. Westmoreland in Detroit on a day that Gen. Westmoreland wasn't in Detroit.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

kallend

******>Perhaps you will explain for us how he met with Gen. Westmoreland in Detroit
>on a day that Gen. Westmoreland wasn't in Detroit.

He met Westmoreland in Detroit in 1969 and was offered a scholarship to West Point! You are not allowed to question that statement. It's a "GOP Truth."

Must be politifacts too

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/08/ben-carson/carson-defends-west-point-scholarship-story/

Perhaps you will explain for us how he met with Gen. Westmoreland in Detroit on a day that Gen. Westmoreland wasn't in Detroit.

MEH

After you explain how Hillary did not send classified info on and non secured server

BTW
You are NOT winning the Carson debate

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[winsor 236]

kallend

******>Perhaps you will explain for us how he met with Gen. Westmoreland in Detroit
>on a day that Gen. Westmoreland wasn't in Detroit.

He met Westmoreland in Detroit in 1969 and was offered a scholarship to West Point! You are not allowed to question that statement. It's a "GOP Truth."

Must be politifacts too

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/08/ben-carson/carson-defends-west-point-scholarship-story/

Perhaps you will explain for us how he met with Gen. Westmoreland in Detroit on a day that Gen. Westmoreland wasn't in Detroit.

Okay, so it was General Motors. Honest mistake.

[Amazon 7]

kallend

******>Perhaps you will explain for us how he met with Gen. Westmoreland in Detroit
>on a day that Gen. Westmoreland wasn't in Detroit.

He met Westmoreland in Detroit in 1969 and was offered a scholarship to West Point! You are not allowed to question that statement. It's a "GOP Truth."

Must be politifacts too

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/08/ben-carson/carson-defends-west-point-scholarship-story/

Perhaps you will explain for us how he met with Gen. Westmoreland in Detroit on a day that Gen. Westmoreland wasn't in Detroit.

OMG I think maybe they found the kitchen where they are cookin up some boxes of Uncle Bens BS. Josephs Grain Storage

[kallend 2,107]

rushmc

*********>Perhaps you will explain for us how he met with Gen. Westmoreland in Detroit
>on a day that Gen. Westmoreland wasn't in Detroit.

He met Westmoreland in Detroit in 1969 and was offered a scholarship to West Point! You are not allowed to question that statement. It's a "GOP Truth."

Must be politifacts too

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/08/ben-carson/carson-defends-west-point-scholarship-story/

Perhaps you will explain for us how he met with Gen. Westmoreland in Detroit on a day that Gen. Westmoreland wasn't in Detroit.

MEH

After you explain how Hillary did not send classified info on and non secured server

BTW
You are NOT winning the Carson debate

Interesting you should bring that up.

In 11 hours of grilling under oath, Hillary did not lose her cool. After 8 Congressional inquiries no wrongdoing has been found.

By contrast, Carson threw a hissy-fit at reporters who dared to question him about his claims. (Fairly typical behavior for surgeons, I might add, who all seem to have a God complex.)

Anyhow, you seem to be at a loss to explain how Gen. Westmoreland was in Detroit at the same time as he wasn't in Detroit. Schrodinger's General?

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

Wrong
Her now released emails show she emailed her daughter within hours of the attack stating she knew it was a terror attack

Yet for over two weeks she claimed it was a spontaneous attack over a video

Known lie

That was just an easy one

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 855]

Something strange seems to occur between reality and your keyboard.
Very odd phenomenon.

[rushmc 23]

normiss

Something strange seems to occur between reality and your keyboard.
Very odd phenomenon.

and the great debater
the one self proclaim expert of conversation

Strikes again!!!


LOFL

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

rushmc

***Something strange seems to occur between reality and your keyboard.
Very odd phenomenon.

and the great debater
the one self proclaim expert of conversation

Strikes again!!!


LOFL

Ok if you say so ... Comical Ali

[rushmc 23]

But the reality is mine it seems!



https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=hillary+knew+benghazi+attack&safe=active&tbm=nws

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Amazon

******Something strange seems to occur between reality and your keyboard.
Very odd phenomenon.

and the great debater
the one self proclaim expert of conversation

Strikes again!!!


LOFL

Ok if you say so ... Comical Ali

For some people, there is no reality to start from

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

rushmc

*********Something strange seems to occur between reality and your keyboard.
Very odd phenomenon.

and the great debater
the one self proclaim expert of conversation

Strikes again!!!


LOFL

Ok if you say so ... Comical Ali

For some people, there is no reality to start from

And for others theirs is so skewed from all those fringe blogs and websites that reality is an impossibility.

[DanG 1]

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If Carson lying is a bad thing and should remove him from being president, shouldn't the same standard be held for the known liar Hillary?

I don't think lying should remove him from consideration for president. I think he should be removed from consideration because he's crazy (IMO), and wouldn't have the first idea about how to be president. If I need brain surgery, he's be my guy. For president, not so much.

BTW, I don't like Hillary either, but at least she doesn't appear to be clinically insane.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

DanG

Quote

If Carson lying is a bad thing and should remove him from being president, shouldn't the same standard be held for the known liar Hillary?

I don't think lying should remove him from consideration for president. I think he should be removed from consideration because he's crazy (IMO), and wouldn't have the first idea about how to be president. If I need brain surgery, he's be my guy. For president, not so much.

BTW, I don't like Hillary either, but at least she doesn't appear to be clinically insane.

Carson is crazy and Hillary is not????

Dude, THAT is fucking crazy!!!!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 855]

Yup.
Pyramids. LOL

[DanG 1]

Hillary may be cold, calculating, power hungry, selfish, and dishonest.

She's not crazy. I'm not even sure why you would think she is.

Carson just seems off. And some of the stuff he believes is full on crazy.

- Dan G

[Bolas 5]

DanG

Hillary may be cold, calculating, power hungry, selfish, and dishonest.

She's not crazy. I'm not even sure why you would think she is.

Carson just seems off. And some of the stuff he believes is full on crazy.

Trump or Bush vs. Sanders or Clinton.

Maybe we'll get some actually viable third-party candidates. Would love to see a four-way race.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[GeorgiaDon 379]

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Carson just seems off. And some of the stuff he believes is full on crazy.

Carson is a young-Earth creationist who believes that geology, paleontology, biology, cosmology, and large parts of modern physics is inspired by Satan. This is not something based on mis-remembrances from his youth, YouTube is full of him giving speeches to this effect quite recently. Further, he is of the opinion that anyone who believes in evolution or the "big bang" is incapable of acting ethically.

If we were talking about some street preacher such beliefs would not matter much. Even if we are talking about a neurosurgeon* doing their job it wouldn't matter. However, we are talking about someone who thoroughly rejects evidence-based reality and chooses to substitute a bronze-age mythology. This actually fits with the embellishments of his biography, in that what actually happened is irrelevant to him, it is the mythology that is real (in his mind). We also see it in his rejection of lifetimes of archaeological research, preferring to substitute a ridiculous notion that the Pyramids were built to store grain. Would such a person be willing to listen to advice from people who have actual expertise, built through long years of experience and study, or would he reject such advice based on his "intuition of the way things should be", even if that intuition is completely without a factual basis? We've already had at least one president who relied on his gut instinct ("truthiness") instead of verifiable facts, and we'll be paying for that for a long time.

BTW Carson is not the only candidate these issues apply to. Every one of the Republican candidates except Trump has declared that they do not believe in evolution or cosmology, putting them in the same camp of accepting mythology over science. Trump hasn't said anything about his beliefs in this regard so I don't know where he stands, and the same is true AFAIK about the Democratic candidates.

Don

*The press seems to like to present Carson as someone who is well versed in science because he was a noted surgeon. Surgeons need exceptional eye/hand coordination and an excellent knowledge of anatomy. Neither of these things qualify them as scientists. It's similar to the situation with auto mechanics: internal combustion engines are based on thermodynamics, materials science, etc but that does not mean your neighborhood mechanic has to have a PhD in physics.

_____________________________________
Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

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billvon

>Here is your author of the Politico hit piece you espouse to be truth

I do not "espouse" that Politico is the truth. I "espouse" that Carson is lying.

He said that while marching in the Detroit Memorial Day parade in May 1969 the following happened:

"I felt so proud, my chest bursting with ribbons and braids of every kind. To make it more wonderful, we had important visitors that day. Two soldiers who had won the Congressional Medal of Honor in Viet Nam were present. More exciting to me, General William Westmoreland (very prominent in the Viet Nam war) attended with an impressive entourage. Afterward, Sgt. Hunt introduced me to General Westmoreland, and I had dinner with him and the Congressional Medal winners. Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point. I didn't refuse the scholarship outright, but I let them know that a military career wasn't where I saw myself going. As overjoyed as I felt to be offered such a scholarship, I wasn't really tempted. The scholarship would have obligated me to spend four years in military service after I finished college, precluding my chances to go on to medical school."

That was a lie. General Westmoreland was not there, and did not offer him a "full scholarship" to West Point.

In 2015 he said this:

"The next question is from Bill. He wanted to know if it was true that I was offered a slot at West Point after high school. Bill, that is true. I was the highest student ROTC member in Detroit and was thrilled to get an offer from West Point."

That was a lie. He did not "get an offer" from West Point. West Point has confirmed this. Indeed, he would have had to apply a year _before_ he claimed to have met Westmoreland to be able to attend West Point after high school.

I'll let you continue digging that hole now . . .

So, Obama said, "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your plan you can keep your plan." Is he a liar as well?

Will you call Obama out on his lies? Or is he not conservative enough to be a liar?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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