Finally coming clean on current situation in Iraq

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/29/politics/iraq-isis-military-combat/

Guess we've beat around the bush long enough. That whole "I have ended the war in Iraq" campaign lie is a turd that just won't flush.

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It's what their supporters wanted to hear to get to get them elected.

God speed to the boots on the ground.

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cvfd1399

It's what their supporters wanted to hear to get to get them elected.

God speed to the boots on the ground.

That's exactly what "Mission Accomplished" was all about too.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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>That whole "I have ended the war in Iraq" campaign lie is a turd that just won't flush.

It seems like only yesterday that right wingers were screaming "Obama had NOTHING to do with the war ending! The withdrawal was all part of Bush's plan. Obama just implemented it. Bush gets all the credit for ending the war."

Something tells me they will flip-flop on that faster than RushMC during a heat wave.

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billvon

Something tells me they will flip-flop on that faster than RushMC during a heat wave.

Nice Bill

Just cant help yourself anymore

Loosing discipline it seems?

But

You do know heat waves are weather and not climate

Correct?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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RopeaDope

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/29/politics/iraq-isis-military-combat/

Guess we've beat around the bush long enough. That whole "I have ended the war in Iraq" campaign lie is a turd that just won't flush.

Not really.. some of us knew it was GOAT FUCK STUPID to go there in the first place but the PNAC peeps in the administration needed a war to make all their thousands of marginal oil wells in the Intermountain West profitable... it was not the oil there in Iraq they were after... they wanted $100+ a barrel and not what the $20 a barrel a stable oil market was paying.

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***http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/29/politics/iraq-isis-military-combat/

Guess we've beat around the bush long enough. That whole "I have ended the war in Iraq" campaign lie is a turd that just won't flush.

Not really.. some of us knew it was GOAT FUCK STUPID to go there in the first place but the PNAC peeps in the administration needed a war to make all their thousands of marginal oil wells in the Intermountain West profitable... it was not the oil there in Iraq they were after... they wanted $100+ a barrel and not what the $20 a barrel a stable oil market was paying.

NOTICE:

NOW, it is about the oil PRICE, not the oil .



I guess that makes sense because they could not prove squat the other way. (nor can they/she) this way.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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***http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/29/politics/iraq-isis-military-combat/

Guess we've beat around the bush long enough. That whole "I have ended the war in Iraq" campaign lie is a turd that just won't flush.

Not really.. some of us knew it was GOAT FUCK STUPID to go there in the first place but the PNAC peeps in the administration needed a war to make all their thousands of marginal oil wells in the Intermountain West profitable... it was not the oil there in Iraq they were after... they wanted $100+ a barrel and not what the $20 a barrel a stable oil market was paying.

Boy I would sure love to see all the left wing conspiracy favorites in your browser to see where you get all this mess.

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rushmc

******http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/29/politics/iraq-isis-military-combat/

Guess we've beat around the bush long enough. That whole "I have ended the war in Iraq" campaign lie is a turd that just won't flush.

Not really.. some of us knew it was GOAT FUCK STUPID to go there in the first place but the PNAC peeps in the administration needed a war to make all their thousands of marginal oil wells in the Intermountain West profitable... it was not the oil there in Iraq they were after... they wanted $100+ a barrel and not what the $20 a barrel a stable oil market was paying.

NOTICE:

NOW, it is about the oil PRICE, not the oil .



I guess that makes sense because they could not prove squat the other way. (nor can they/she) this way.

Perhaps if you ever rubbed a few brain cells together... and looked at WHO the PNAC boys are.. and what they wrote about.... it might come to you...
http://www.kgbanswers.com/what-was-the-average-price-of-oil-per-barrel-prior-to-september-11-2001/1567935

Oh that's right.. its not in the company newsletter.... never mind

For our esteemed firefighter..who as usual is WRONG.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_of_oil#/media/File:Crude_oil_prices_since_1861.png

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flip flop flip flop flip flop..........

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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rushmc

flip flop flip flop flip flop..........

yeah... its all you got.. on so many issues.... I guess instead of blaming your teachers... you should have paid more attention

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***flip flop flip flop flip flop..........

yeah... its all you got.. on so many issues.... I guess instead of blaming your teachers... you should have paid more attention

You want to talk about brain cells some more??

If I rubbed two together I would be using 100% MORE brain cells than you are


So what is is???? Oil? Or oil prices???

Flip flop flip flop

What argument are you going to alter next??

flip flop flip flop



don't worry Bill

I am done!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I'm just pulling this out of my ass, so don't bother fact checking my numbers or anything, but I was thinking about oil prices the other day.

In the 90s, oil was $20 per barrel and we were paying $0.75 per gallon for gasoline. These prices made everyone in the oil industry millionaires and even a couple of them, billionaires.

Three or four years ago, oil was $100 per barrel and we were paying just under $4 per gallon for gasoline, up to $4.50 for diesel.

So far, price of oil has increased x5, and the price of gasoline has increased x5 along with it.

Now, current oil price is around $45 per barrel, but we are still paying $2.50 per gallon for gasoline. If I were to take my shoes off I could count up to twenty, but I'll leave the math for you.

Bottom line, the people who became millionaires off of oil are currently making a significantly higher profit margin today than ever before, but they are bithching to the government that if consumers don't start paying higher fuel prices, it is going to destabilize our economy and destroy the world. WTF?

My guess-timate is that we should be paying about $1.70 per gallon, and they would still be making their millions.

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RopeaDope

I'm just pulling this out of my ass, so don't bother fact checking my numbers or anything, but I was thinking about oil prices the other day.

In the 90s, oil was $20 per barrel and we were paying $0.75 per gallon for gasoline. These prices made everyone in the oil industry millionaires and even a couple of them, billionaires.

Three or four years ago, oil was $100 per barrel and we were paying just under $4 per gallon for gasoline, up to $4.50 for diesel.

So far, price of oil has increased x5, and the price of gasoline has increased x5 along with it.

Now, current oil price is around $45 per barrel, but we are still paying $2.50 per gallon for gasoline. If I were to take my shoes off I could count up to twenty, but I'll leave the math for you.

Bottom line, the people who became millionaires off of oil are currently making a significantly higher profit margin today than ever before, but they are bithching to the government that if consumers don't start paying higher fuel prices, it is going to destabilize our economy and destroy the world. WTF?

The question is WHO controls SMALL OIL... go research....

A lot of your friends died to make the people who control those companies very very rich.

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The question is WHO controls SMALL OIL... go research....

A lot of your friends died to make the people who control those companies very very rich.

I grew up as a poor country boy, so after surviving the war, I celebrated life, and my extra combat pay, by purchasing a nice new Silverado 2500 twin turbo diesel, lift kit, 38 inch tires, all the extras.

Then I get sent right back over there for another year, and I get home and the price of fuel had tripled. I couldn't afford to drive my damn truck anywhere. I was like, "what the f'k am I fighting for?" "I thought Bush sent us there for oil, this doesn't make any freaking sense."

At least when I traded that truck in I got a really good deal, because it had extremely low mileage on it

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RopeaDope

Bottom line, the people who became millionaires off of oil are currently making a significantly higher profit margin today than ever before,

Your numbers:

---$100/barrel, gas at $4/gal
---then moved to $45/barrel, gas at $2.50/gal

so if all was equal the original ratio - Gas should be $1.80/gal. Not $2.50. Agree, it's more expensive as a ratio to oil prices....


So the clarity we need here is who is taking that extra 70 cents per gallon?

Do you have the numbers to show how much of that is:

-- extra taxes,
-- and how much is increased profit margin,
-- did any go to improving employment or pay of workers as a company triggered effort - voluntary
-- improved employment situation due to government regs - same thing, but legislated
-- extra product costs due to government regulations added or tightened

Hard to agree or disagree with you unless the 'extra' is broken down. Can't just assume it's ALL profit margin without. But I'd like to know.

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RopeaDope

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The question is WHO controls SMALL OIL... go research....

A lot of your friends died to make the people who control those companies very very rich.

I grew up as a poor country boy, so after surviving the war, I celebrated life, and my extra combat pay, by purchasing a nice new Silverado 2500 twin turbo diesel, lift kit, 38 inch tires, all the extras.

Then I get sent right back over there for another year, and I get home and the price of fuel had tripled. I couldn't afford to drive my damn truck anywhere. I was like, "what the f'k am I fighting for?" "I thought Bush sent us there for oil, this doesn't make any freaking sense."

At least when I traded that truck in I got a really good deal, because it had extremely low mileage on it

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Project_for_the_New_American_Century


The PNAC was co-founded by William Kristol and Robert Kagan in 1997[2], with roots in the 1992 Pentagon. PNAC's original 25 signatories were an eclectic mix of academics and neo-conservative politicians, several of whom have subsequently found positions in the presidential administration of George Walker Bush. PNAC is noteworthy for its focus on Iraq, a preoccupation that began before Bush became president and predates the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. In 1998, the group wrote a letter to President Bill Clinton, Mississippi Senator Trent Lott (then Senate Majority Leader) and Newt Gingrich (then Speaker of the House of Representatives), demanding a harder line against Iraq. By then, the group had grown in numbers, adding individuals such as former Reagan-era U.N. Ambassador Jeane J. Kirkpatrick, and long-time Washington cold warrior/pro-LikudRichard N. Perle.

According to William Rivers Pitt, "Two events brought PNAC into the mainstream of American government: the disputed election of George W. Bush and the attacks of September 11th. When Bush assumed the Presidency, the men who created and nurtured the imperial dreams of PNAC became the men who run the Pentagon, the Defense Department and the White House. When the Towers came down, these men saw, at long last, their chance to turn their White Papers into substantive policy."[3]

[RED]Several original PNAC members, including Cheney, Khalilzad and the Bush family, have ties to the oil industry. Many other members have been long-time fixtures in the U.S. military establishment or Cold War "strategic studies," including Elliott Abrams, Dick Cheney, Paula Dobriansky, Aaron Friedberg, Frank Gaffney, Fred C. Ikle, Peter W. Rodman, Stephen P. Rosen, Henry S. Rowen, Donald H. Rumsfeld, John R. Bolton, Vin Weber, and Paul Dundes Wolfowitz. It should not be surprising, therefore, that while the group devotes inordinate attention to Iraq, its most general focus has been on a need to "re-arm America." The prospect of mining oil riches may explain part of the group's focus on Iraq, but this motivation has been buried under the rhetoric of national security and the need for strong national defense.

To justify a need to "rearm" the country, however, reasons must be found. In the more peaceable world of the late 1990s, with no rival super-power in sight, Iraq and "ballistic missile defense" against "rogue states" were the main games in town. The group's links to advocacy for ballistic missile defense came through Donald Rumsfeld, who in 1998 chaired a bi-partisan commission on the "US Ballistic Missile Threat" and Vin Weber, a registered lobbyist for Lockheed Martin and other Fortune 500 companies.

According to a February 27, 2003, editorial by William Rivers Pitt, PNAC

has been agitating since its inception for a war with Iraq. PNAC was the driving force behind the drafting and passage of the Iraqi Liberation Act, a bill that painted a veneer of legality over the ultimate designs behind such a conflict. The names of every prominent PNAC member were on a letter delivered to President Clinton in 1998 which castigated him for not implementing the Act by driving troops into Baghdad.

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rehmwa

***Bottom line, the people who became millionaires off of oil are currently making a significantly higher profit margin today than ever before,

Your numbers:

---$100/barrel, gas at $4/gal
---then moved to $45/barrel, gas at $2.50/gal

so if all was equal the original ratio - Gas should be $1.80/gal. Not $2.50. Agree, it's more expensive as a ratio to oil prices....


So the clarity we need here is who is taking that extra 70 cents per gallon?

Do you have the numbers to show how much of that is:

-- extra taxes,
-- and how much is increased profit margin,
-- did any go to improving employment or pay of workers as a company triggered effort - voluntary
-- improved employment situation due to government regs - same thing, but legislated
-- extra product costs due to government regulations added for new or tightened gov regulations

Hard to analyze unless the other components are taken out. But I'd like to know.

No, I didn't do any search into it at all actually. I was just at the pump one day daydreaming and had an "ah-ha" moment. That's why I said I was pulling it out of my ass, I was only looking at the surface of what I saw in prices.

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Well screw it, as long as everyone is getting a piece, I might as well try to get mine. If I'm elected president, I will have Air Force 1 stripped out and have bench seats and a plexiglass door installed.

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RopeaDope

Well screw it, as long as everyone is getting a piece, I might as well try to get mine. If I'm elected president, I will have Air Force 1 stripped out and have bench seats and a plexiglass door installed.

Seriously.... look at SMALL OIL... there is still money to be made there. If you think this little interlude in prices is going to last... you would be mistaken.

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***http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/29/politics/iraq-isis-military-combat/

Guess we've beat around the bush long enough. That whole "I have ended the war in Iraq" campaign lie is a turd that just won't flush.

Not really.. some of us knew it was GOAT FUCK STUPID to go there in the first place but the PNAC peeps in the administration needed a war to make all their thousands of marginal oil wells in the Intermountain West profitable... it was not the oil there in Iraq they were after... they wanted $100+ a barrel and not what the $20 a barrel a stable oil market was paying.

You are only half right, they wanted to drive up oil prices, but only to make wind and solar more attractive. They were just trying to save the planet. I would think you would appreciate that.

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brenthutch

******http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/29/politics/iraq-isis-military-combat/

Guess we've beat around the bush long enough. That whole "I have ended the war in Iraq" campaign lie is a turd that just won't flush.

Not really.. some of us knew it was GOAT FUCK STUPID to go there in the first place but the PNAC peeps in the administration needed a war to make all their thousands of marginal oil wells in the Intermountain West profitable... it was not the oil there in Iraq they were after... they wanted $100+ a barrel and not what the $20 a barrel a stable oil market was paying.

You are only half right, they wanted to drive up oil prices, but only to make wind and solar more attractive. They were just trying to save the planet. I would think you would appreciate that.
If you think the oil prices went up for anything other than GREED and to fill their pockets you are indeed full of naiveté or something

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Interesting

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cvfd1399

Interesting

So go ahead and "splain" what you seem to want us to believe.

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Sorry I figured most would obviously see that the cost is pretty even across the board(I asuume that it already includes shipping) and its the taxes that make up most of the world difference.

It wasnt for or against anything anyone here has said, just an interesting graphic about taxes on fuel.