rushmc 23 #1 October 1, 2015 Worth a look Quote Courtesy of Peter Kirsanow, a member of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights who dissented from a recent report bemoaning the plight of illegal alien children at detention facilities, here are some astounding statistics about illegals and crime. Arizona: Approximately 240 illegal aliens were imprisoned for homicide-related offenses. This means approximately 68.57 illegal aliens were imprisoned for homicide offenses per 100,000 illegal aliens in Arizona, whereas 54.06 citizens and legal residents were imprisoned for homicide-related offenses per 100,000 citizens and legal residents in Arizona. California: Approximately 2,430 illegal aliens were imprisoned for homicide-related offenses. This means approximately 97.2 illegal aliens were imprisoned for homicide and related offenses per 100,000 illegal aliens in California, whereas 74.1 citizens and legal residents were imprisoned for homicide and related offenses per 100,000 citizens and legal residents. Florida: Approximately 480 illegal aliens were imprisoned for homicide-related offenses. This means approximately 54.85 illegal aliens were imprisoned for murder and manslaughter per 100,000 illegal aliens in Florida, whereas approximately 67.8 legal residents were imprisoned for murder and manslaughter per 100,000 legal residents. New York: Approximately 1,350 illegal aliens were imprisoned for homicide-related offenses. This means approximately 168.75 illegal aliens were imprisoned for murder and related offenses per 100,000 illegal aliens in the state, whereas approximately 48.12 legal residents were imprisoned for murder and related offenses per 100,000 legal residents. Texas: Approximately 900 illegal aliens were imprisoned for homicide-related offenses. This means approximately 54.54 illegal aliens were incarcerated for homicide-related offenses per 100,000 illegal aliens in Texas, whereas approximately 65.43 legal residents were incarcerated for homicide-related offenses per 100,000 legal residents. But, Kirsanow concludes, “comparative crime rates are less important than the absolute number of crimes committed by illegal aliens. Look at California, where approximately 2,430 illegal aliens are in prison just for homicide-related offenses. Even if one assumes that each illegal alien so imprisoned was responsible for just one homicide-related offense, that amounts to about a couple thousand major crimes that, arguably, wouldn’t have occurred but for the actors' unlawful presence in the United States. That translates to thousands of American citizens (and others) accross the country slaughtered by individuals who shouldn’t have been here in the first place.” http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/424858/illegal-immigration-crime-us-civil-rights-commission"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #2 October 1, 2015 So you're telling us that fine upstanding US citizens are very nearly as likely to be murderers as those scummy illegals. Wow, who knew your fellow countrymen were so venal.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #3 October 1, 2015 kallend So you're telling us that fine upstanding US citizens are very nearly as likely to be murderers as those scummy illegals. Wow, who knew your fellow countrymen were so venal. I am not telling anyone anything"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #4 October 1, 2015 rushmc*** So you're telling us that fine upstanding US citizens are very nearly as likely to be murderers as those scummy illegals. Wow, who knew your fellow countrymen were so venal. I am not telling anyone anything Well, remove your OP then.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #5 October 1, 2015 kallend So you're telling us that fine upstanding US citizens are very nearly as likely to be murderers as those scummy illegals. Wow, who knew your fellow countrymen were so venal. The last paragraph is the most important. Quote But, Kirsanow concludes, “comparative crime rates are less important than the absolute number of crimes committed by illegal aliens. Look at California, where approximately 2,430 illegal aliens are in prison just for homicide-related offenses. Even if one assumes that each illegal alien so imprisoned was responsible for just one homicide-related offense, that amounts to about a couple thousand major crimes that, arguably, wouldn’t have occurred but for the actors' unlawful presence in the United States. That translates to thousands of American citizens (and others) accross the country slaughtered by individuals who shouldn’t have been here in the first place.”I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMK 3 #6 October 1, 2015 rushmc I am not telling anyone anything ...So a standard issue Rushmc thread. While you're searching statistics, find us some numbers showing you are more likely to be shot/killed by an illegal alien than a US citizen."Pain is the best instructor, but no one wants to attend his classes" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #7 October 1, 2015 turtlespeed*** So you're telling us that fine upstanding US citizens are very nearly as likely to be murderers as those scummy illegals. Wow, who knew your fellow countrymen were so venal. The last paragraph is the most important. Quote But, Kirsanow concludes, “comparative crime rates are less important than the absolute number of crimes committed by illegal aliens. Look at California, where approximately 2,430 illegal aliens are in prison just for homicide-related offenses. Even if one assumes that each illegal alien so imprisoned was responsible for just one homicide-related offense, that amounts to about a couple thousand major crimes that, arguably, wouldn’t have occurred but for the actors' unlawful presence in the United States. That translates to thousands of American citizens (and others) accross the country slaughtered by individuals who shouldn’t have been here in the first place.” Okay. By that logic, if we had more forced sterilizations (say anyone who has had a child), we would have less homicides. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #8 October 1, 2015 headoverheels ****** So you're telling us that fine upstanding US citizens are very nearly as likely to be murderers as those scummy illegals. Wow, who knew your fellow countrymen were so venal. The last paragraph is the most important. Quote But, Kirsanow concludes, “comparative crime rates are less important than the absolute number of crimes committed by illegal aliens. Look at California, where approximately 2,430 illegal aliens are in prison just for homicide-related offenses. Even if one assumes that each illegal alien so imprisoned was responsible for just one homicide-related offense, that amounts to about a couple thousand major crimes that, arguably, wouldn’t have occurred but for the actors' unlawful presence in the United States. That translates to thousands of American citizens (and others) accross the country slaughtered by individuals who shouldn’t have been here in the first place.” Okay. By that logic, if we had more forced sterilizations (say anyone who has had a child), we would have less homicides. We have existing forced sterilization laws? And the laws aren't being enforced? Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #9 October 1, 2015 Bolas ********* So you're telling us that fine upstanding US citizens are very nearly as likely to be murderers as those scummy illegals. Wow, who knew your fellow countrymen were so venal. The last paragraph is the most important. Quote But, Kirsanow concludes, “comparative crime rates are less important than the absolute number of crimes committed by illegal aliens. Look at California, where approximately 2,430 illegal aliens are in prison just for homicide-related offenses. Even if one assumes that each illegal alien so imprisoned was responsible for just one homicide-related offense, that amounts to about a couple thousand major crimes that, arguably, wouldn’t have occurred but for the actors' unlawful presence in the United States. That translates to thousands of American citizens (and others) accross the country slaughtered by individuals who shouldn’t have been here in the first place.” Okay. By that logic, if we had more forced sterilizations (say anyone who has had a child), we would have less homicides. We have existing forced sterilization laws? And the laws aren't being enforced? Ok, if we did enforce the ACA requirement for health insurance to cover contraception (no religious exemption), there would be less homicides. If we had more abortions, there would be less homicides. If we eliminated environmental and auto safety regulations, there would be less homicides. If you cannot show that illegals are committing homicides at a higher rate than legals, you aren't really addressing the overall homicides very effectively by eliminating a small category of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #10 October 1, 2015 headoverheelsIf you cannot show that illegals are committing homicides at a higher rate than legals, you aren't really addressing the overall homicides very effectively by eliminating a small category of them. Umm... The article did exactly that.Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #11 October 1, 2015 Bolas***If you cannot show that illegals are committing homicides at a higher rate than legals, you aren't really addressing the overall homicides very effectively by eliminating a small category of them. Umm... The article did exactly that. Umm... no it didn't.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #12 October 1, 2015 Rush, do you realize that article tells us that FL and TX would be safer if we deported all the *legal* residents and kept the *illegal* ones? ST ILLEGAL LEGAL -------------------- AZ 068.57 54.06 CA 097.20 74.10 FL 054.85 67.80 * NY 168.75 48.12 TX 054.54 65.43 * --------------------- average 88.78 61.02 median 68.57 65.43"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #13 October 1, 2015 ryoderRush, do you realize that article tells us that FL and TX would be safer if we deported all the *legal* residents and kept the *illegal* ones? ST ILLEGAL LEGAL -------------------- AZ 068.57 54.06 CA 097.20 74.10 FL 054.85 67.80 * NY 168.75 48.12 TX 054.54 65.43 * --------------------- average 88.78 61.02 median 68.57 65.43 Do you realize that if illegals were not here none of those crimes would have been committed"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 28 #14 October 2, 2015 I Signed the petition for "Kates' Law." Really made me feel empowered. Directly doing something for the safety of the community. Only illegal:multiple aggravated felons need apply. Free transportation provided,after stay. Price for illegal reentery 5-7. Priceless. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #15 October 2, 2015 ryoderRush, do you realize that article tells us that FL and TX would be safer if we deported all the *legal* residents and kept the *illegal* ones? ST ILLEGAL LEGAL -------------------- AZ 068.57 54.06 CA 097.20 74.10 FL 054.85 67.80 * NY 168.75 48.12 TX 054.54 65.43 * --------------------- average 88.78 61.02 median 68.57 65.43 Yes and the legal rates would be 100% if there were no illegals to commit the crimes. I would welcome 100% if it meant cutting the crime rate almost in half, would't you?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #16 October 2, 2015 turtlespeed***Rush, do you realize that article tells us that FL and TX would be safer if we deported all the *legal* residents and kept the *illegal* ones? ST ILLEGAL LEGAL -------------------- AZ 068.57 54.06 CA 097.20 74.10 FL 054.85 67.80 * NY 168.75 48.12 TX 054.54 65.43 * --------------------- average 88.78 61.02 median 68.57 65.43 Yes and the legal rates would be 100% if there were no illegals to commit the crimes. I would welcome 100% if it meant cutting the crime rate almost in half, would't you? We could lower it even faster by deporting a bunch of US citizens, it seems.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #17 October 2, 2015 kallend******Rush, do you realize that article tells us that FL and TX would be safer if we deported all the *legal* residents and kept the *illegal* ones? ST ILLEGAL LEGAL -------------------- AZ 068.57 54.06 CA 097.20 74.10 FL 054.85 67.80 * NY 168.75 48.12 TX 054.54 65.43 * --------------------- average 88.78 61.02 median 68.57 65.43 Yes and the legal rates would be 100% if there were no illegals to commit the crimes. I would welcome 100% if it meant cutting the crime rate almost in half, would't you? We could lower it even faster by deporting a bunch of US citizens, it seems. How do you deport citizens from their own country to their own country?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #18 October 2, 2015 turtlespeed*********Rush, do you realize that article tells us that FL and TX would be safer if we deported all the *legal* residents and kept the *illegal* ones? ST ILLEGAL LEGAL -------------------- AZ 068.57 54.06 CA 097.20 74.10 FL 054.85 67.80 * NY 168.75 48.12 TX 054.54 65.43 * --------------------- average 88.78 61.02 median 68.57 65.43 Yes and the legal rates would be 100% if there were no illegals to commit the crimes. I would welcome 100% if it meant cutting the crime rate almost in half, would't you? We could lower it even faster by deporting a bunch of US citizens, it seems. How do you deport citizens from their own country to their own country? De-port. Nothing in there to say where they must disembark. I'm sure there's a nice desert island somewhere.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #19 October 2, 2015 kallend************Rush, do you realize that article tells us that FL and TX would be safer if we deported all the *legal* residents and kept the *illegal* ones? ST ILLEGAL LEGAL -------------------- AZ 068.57 54.06 CA 097.20 74.10 FL 054.85 67.80 * NY 168.75 48.12 TX 054.54 65.43 * --------------------- average 88.78 61.02 median 68.57 65.43 Yes and the legal rates would be 100% if there were no illegals to commit the crimes. I would welcome 100% if it meant cutting the crime rate almost in half, would't you? We could lower it even faster by deporting a bunch of US citizens, it seems. How do you deport citizens from their own country to their own country? De-port. Nothing in there to say where they must disembark. I'm sure there's a nice desert island somewhere. After a three hour tour?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #20 October 2, 2015 turtlespeed***************Rush, do you realize that article tells us that FL and TX would be safer if we deported all the *legal* residents and kept the *illegal* ones? ST ILLEGAL LEGAL -------------------- AZ 068.57 54.06 CA 097.20 74.10 FL 054.85 67.80 * NY 168.75 48.12 TX 054.54 65.43 * --------------------- average 88.78 61.02 median 68.57 65.43 Yes and the legal rates would be 100% if there were no illegals to commit the crimes. I would welcome 100% if it meant cutting the crime rate almost in half, would't you? We could lower it even faster by deporting a bunch of US citizens, it seems. How do you deport citizens from their own country to their own country? De-port. Nothing in there to say where they must disembark. I'm sure there's a nice desert island somewhere. After a three hour tour? LOFL Good one Skipper"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
