SkyDekker 1,465 #26 September 28, 2015 rushmc You had something to say about her marriages! Now you are back steppingNot really surprised Yes I had something to say about the irony of this lady and her marital history standing up for the christian sanctitity of mariage. Like I said, similar to Keith Richards talking about his healthy lifestyle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #27 September 28, 2015 >She should have followed the order as I stated before >But that does not make her a bigot IMO Correct. Failing to obey a court order merely makes her a criminal. Her belief that gays do not deserve the same rights as everyone else is what makes her a bigot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #28 September 28, 2015 billvon>She should have followed the order as I stated before >But that does not make her a bigot IMO Correct. Failing to obey a court order merely makes her a criminal. Her belief that gays do not deserve the same rights as everyone else is what makes her a bigot. Agreed on the first part Second Marriage is not a right"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #29 September 28, 2015 rushmc***>She should have followed the order as I stated before >But that does not make her a bigot IMO Correct. Failing to obey a court order merely makes her a criminal. Her belief that gays do not deserve the same rights as everyone else is what makes her a bigot. Agreed on the first part Second Marriage is not a right Marriage comes with rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #30 September 28, 2015 rushmc***>She should have followed the order as I stated before >But that does not make her a bigot IMO Correct. Failing to obey a court order merely makes her a criminal. Her belief that gays do not deserve the same rights as everyone else is what makes her a bigot. Agreed on the first part Second Marriage is not a right Pair bonding wrapped in some form of ritual or agreement is a basic human reality going back thousands of years in all cultures that our species has devised. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #31 September 28, 2015 SkyDekker******>She should have followed the order as I stated before >But that does not make her a bigot IMO Correct. Failing to obey a court order merely makes her a criminal. Her belief that gays do not deserve the same rights as everyone else is what makes her a bigot. Agreed on the first part Second Marriage is not a right Marriage comes with rights. I can agree with that But marriage is not a requirement for those rights"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #32 September 28, 2015 I can agree with reality as the term Culture would be another"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #33 September 28, 2015 rushmc*********>She should have followed the order as I stated before >But that does not make her a bigot IMO Correct. Failing to obey a court order merely makes her a criminal. Her belief that gays do not deserve the same rights as everyone else is what makes her a bigot. Agreed on the first part Second Marriage is not a right Marriage comes with rights. I can agree with that But marriage is not a requirement for those rights In some cases I believe it is, at least if you want your partner to have those rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #34 September 28, 2015 SkyDekker************>She should have followed the order as I stated before >But that does not make her a bigot IMO Correct. Failing to obey a court order merely makes her a criminal. Her belief that gays do not deserve the same rights as everyone else is what makes her a bigot. Agreed on the first part Second Marriage is not a right Marriage comes with rights. I can agree with that But marriage is not a requirement for those rights In some cases I believe it is, at least if you want your partner to have those rights. Power of attorney can be written to cover everything that is granted via marriage"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #35 September 28, 2015 rushmcI can agree with reality as the term Culture would be another AND some cultures celebrated that same sex thing that the puritan or levitican clergy found so threatening to their specific belief as codified in their religious writings that first and foremost seek to control their followers and then by their various nature... in group thinks all those in every other out-group becomes OTHER and worthy of destruction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #36 September 28, 2015 Power of Attorney can be challenged in court. Not that easy to challenge a married partner's right. Don't believe survivor benefits can be directed through a power of attorney. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #37 September 28, 2015 SkyDekkerPower of Attorney can be challenged in court. Not that easy to challenge a married partner's right.Sure, and pre nups can limits things too Don't believe survivor benefits can be directed through a power of attorney. Maybe not where you live Hell, a woman left a multi-million dollar estate to her cat Just take a bit of paper work BTW I think the gov should get out of the marriage business anyway"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #38 September 28, 2015 QuotePower of attorney can be written to cover everything that is granted via marriage That's not true at all. Spousal benefits go way beyond that. Just to name a few that come to mind: I can't write a Power of Attorney and file taxes as a married couple with my lawyer. A Power of Attorney doesn't grant my lawyer survivor benefits if I have a pension. A Power of Attorney doesn't grant the presumption of spousal rights in the case of children. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #39 September 28, 2015 rushmc***Power of Attorney can be challenged in court. Not that easy to challenge a married partner's right.Sure, and pre nups can limits things too Don't believe survivor benefits can be directed through a power of attorney. Maybe not where you live Hell, a woman left a multi-million dollar estate to her cat Just take a bit of paper work BTW I think the gov should get out of the marriage business anyway I wasn't discussing estate issues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #40 September 28, 2015 DanGQuotePower of attorney can be written to cover everything that is granted via marriage That's not true at all. Spousal benefits go way beyond that. Just to name a few that come to mind: I can't write a Power of Attorney and file taxes as a married couple with my lawyer.Taxes I do not know about. My wife and I file married filling separately most of the time anyway A Power of Attorney doesn't grant my lawyer survivor benefits if I have a pension.this can be done in the policy or the specific program most of the time A Power of Attorney doesn't grant the presumption of spousal rights in the case of children.this changes state to state regardless and is a messy screwed up process that gives the judges and courts too much latitude to begin with And where there are some messes the states could remedy"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 905 #41 September 28, 2015 All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
okalb 104 #42 September 28, 2015 rushmcPower of attorney can be written to cover everything that is granted via marriage Actually, it can't. That being said, let's pretend for a minute that what you say is true. Do you think it is right for one couple to have to go through a process of writing said power of attorney (extra hassle) to get the same level of protection as another couple can get by just getting married? I agree that the government should get out of the marriage business, but that has not happened. Maybe someday it will. Until they do, why should one classification of "couple" get different treatment than another? Until the government gets out of the marriage business, marriage laws must be applied equally to all.Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #43 September 28, 2015 A recognized civil union would cover all you have listed"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
okalb 104 #44 September 28, 2015 rushmcA recognized civil union would cover all you have listed Actually, it wouldn't necessarily, but once again even if it did. Why should some couples have to be treated differently than others? Separate but equal was not constitutional last time it was tried, nor is it this time.Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 905 #45 September 28, 2015 Apparently, "all persons" is much too difficult to understand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #46 September 28, 2015 okalb***A recognized civil union would cover all you have listed Actually, it wouldn't necessarily, but once again even if it did. Why should some couples have to be treated differently than others? Separate but equal was not constitutional last time it was tried, nor is it this time. Marriage is not a right Not for a man and woman or for same sex couples I do not feel the Constitution has anything to do with this But the SC disagrees (agrees with you) On that note Funny when a liberal cause is stopped by the court the justice count is talked about a lot regarding a split courts Not so much here"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #47 September 28, 2015 normiss Apparently, "all persons" is much too difficult to understand. Yet another example of great debating skills! "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #48 September 28, 2015 QuoteMarriage is not a right Marriage grants rights and privledges not enjoyed by single people. Because that is the case, it has to be applied equally to everyone. We've been over this many times. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #49 September 28, 2015 normiss Apparently, "all persons" is much too difficult to understand. Simple fix. Don't require a license to get married.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #50 September 28, 2015 DanG We've been over this many times. Ya In your own mind you have it settled"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
