And then there were . . . .

[JerryBaumchen 1,470]

Hi folks,

Another one down. Any thoughts on who will be next?

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/scott-walker-set-exit-gop-presidential-race-n431196

Jerry Baumchen

[grimmie 186]

I guess union busting isn't as popular as it used to be.

Didn't the Koch's pledge 900 million for this guy's run?

[tonyhays 86]

Anyone with single digit support should be thinking about it, especially if they are truly interested in getting a republican president in.

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

[PhreeZone 20]

Next one to drop will be Pataki then Santorum and then Jindal. Shortly after is Graham and he is going to be followed by either Christie or Kaisich. Last of the fringe candidates will be Huckabee. I see Huckabee waiting it out until the final 5 even if he is polling at 1% at that point.

Yesterday is history
And tomorrow is a mystery

Parachutemanuals.com

[normiss 900]

Excellent call I'd say.

[headoverheels 334]

PhreeZone

Next one to drop will be Pataki then Santorum and then Jindal. Shortly after is Graham and he is going to be followed by either Christie or Kaisich. Last of the fringe candidates will be Huckabee. I see Huckabee waiting it out until the final 5 even if he is polling at 1% at that point.

I'm predicting that none of {Trump, Fiorina, Carson} will get the nomination.

[rehmwa 2]

headoverheels

***Next one to drop will be Pataki then Santorum and then Jindal. Shortly after is Graham and he is going to be followed by either Christie or Kaisich. Last of the fringe candidates will be Huckabee. I see Huckabee waiting it out until the final 5 even if he is polling at 1% at that point.

I'm predicting that none of {Trump, Fiorina, Carson} will get the nomination.

here's the sad part -

Tru/Fio/Car are all reaping a very strong national anti-establishment sentiment. Add to that the Big Brother/Apprentice/Survivor/Idol crowd that recognize Trump and give the vote to him for pretty much that reason alone (face recog).

So the reps now have the following three groups eating up the percentages: Anti-establishment, hardcore establishment, the Churchies.

We never convert the hardcores and the churchies - these guys are essentially the right wing version of the fanatical liberals.

Now - The Anti-establishment faction would be GREAT, if it wasn't hijacked by the shallow and silly people that think Trump is a good idea.

but it is......


That means any candidate that wants to do something OTHER than business as usual, is only getting crumbs. Walker, Paul, etc. Whether you agree with them or not, at least it would be a tangible change worth listening to.

We can only hope Trump fades and one of the other two pick up the pace and we get an outsider.

Or the dems field an outsider at some point and get rid of their 'biz as usual' field of 3.


or we'll be reduced, once again, to an insider from each party, that is pretty much a choice between crappy thing 1 vs crappy thing 2......again

did I mention.....again


(Short version - Trump is sucking up any opportunity for the Reps to field something different than what we've been getting for such a long time. It would be fine, but he sucks)

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[wmw999 2,593]

Good analysis. I don't thing ol' Bernie is quite business as usual, but at least he's not Clinton. I want to like her, but I just can't. Not for all the same reasons the right doesn't, but still.

I read an article about Ted Cruz where he talked about how disenfranchised the "grass roots/core" feel. Dang. They have Texas locked up, along with some other states. Part of our process is giving voice to constituencies, but not sole control.

Maybe the Donald will get a good TV contract offer. He seems like the big game hunter who hasnt bagged a rhino yet, and really wants one, even if he has to take a safari in that ruins the countryside because of its size.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

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if it wasn't hijacked by the shallow and silly people that think Trump is a good idea.

Some people just cant help but to insult anyone they disagree with

Why do suppose that is?

Are you somehow smarter than all who disagree with you?

Your post was interesting until you slipped into the gutter

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

Good analysis. I don't thing ol' Bernie is quite business as usual, but at least he's not Clinton. I want to like her, but I just can't. Not for all the same reasons the right doesn't, but still.

I read an article about Ted Cruz where he talked about how disenfranchised the "grass roots/core" feel. Dang. They have Texas locked up, along with some other states. Part of our process is giving voice to constituencies, but not sole control.

Maybe the Donald will get a good TV contract offer. He seems like the big game hunter who hasnt bagged a rhino yet, and really wants one, even if he has to take a safari in that ruins the countryside because of its size.

Wendy P.

Some political comentators were talking about Bernie and his promise to end the tax loopholes for hedge fund managers
They said because of this fact he has no chance of getting the nod. The Dem establishment will never let that happen!

Why?

Because these hedge fund managers are the biggest money funnel to the Dem party

True?

I don't know but it will be interesting to watch

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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Some people just cant help but to insult anyone they disagree with

I'm pretty sure rhemwa isn't one of those people. On the other hand, anyone who supports Trump is silly and shallow.

Funny, you never have a problem refering to Obama voters as "low information" but get upset when someone does something similar with trump supporters.

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Are you somehow smarter than all who disagree with you?

See above. Are you somehow better informed than everyone who disagrees with you?

- Dan G

[rehmwa 2]

rushmc

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if it wasn't hijacked by the shallow and silly people that think Trump is a good idea.

Some people just cant help but to insult anyone they disagree with

Why do suppose that is?

Are you somehow smarter than all who disagree with you?

Your post was interesting until you slipped into the gutter

actually, that's a fair comment and I don't like it when the other guys do it too. So here's my impressions of the candidate and not the supporters (who will all have their own reasons - serious and shallow).


The circus that surrounds this guy really puts me off my feed. That said, I find him to be very sensitive and vindictive with those that disagree with him - he has offered little other than reassurances on what he will do for foreign policy. He even acknowledges he knows little, but "Boy, will I learn it fast". Simply - He scares me on foreign policy.

domestic, business, immigration, etc, not so bad - but he doesn't stand out except for the flamboyant delivery, not the content.

In general, I get an ACA moment every time I hear him campaign - "I won't tell you how I'll lead, until you give me the job. But I'll be really good at it" I don't know what I'll get until I get it.

I'm not comfy with that. I am very heartened that it has mobilized the anti-establishment sentiment (long overdue), I just wish we had a better poster boy for it.

Edit: as for being smarter than others? I'll share my standardized testing scores if you like - it's somewhere near 99.9% (but it isn't about IQ, it's about being informed first). Shallow voters? Politics is DOMINATED by shallow, knee jerk, feel good responses - look at how ofter bumper stickers are quoted on otherwise decent social sites. Hell yes - I'm smarter than most of the public.

But so is most everyone on these boards, including those that I disagree with, including you. We all have a big step up over the general populace. That has been asked and answered quite a bit, this is a decently smart crowd here.

Did you know half of all the people out there are below average?

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[rushmc 23]

DanG

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Some people just cant help but to insult anyone they disagree with

I'm pretty sure rhemwa isn't one of those people. On the other hand, anyone who supports Trump is silly and shallow.so you are one too

Funny, you never have a problem refering to Obama voters as "low information" but get upset when someone does something similar with trump supporters.you have a point here

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Are you somehow smarter than all who disagree with you?

See above. Are you somehow better informed than everyone who disagrees with you?

Nope

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

rehmwa

***

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if it wasn't hijacked by the shallow and silly people that think Trump is a good idea.

Some people just cant help but to insult anyone they disagree with

Why do suppose that is?

Are you somehow smarter than all who disagree with you?

Your post was interesting until you slipped into the gutter

actually, that's a fair comment and I don't like it when the other guys do it too. So here's my impressions of the candidate and not the supporters (who will all have their own reasons - serious and shallow).And Dan made the point that I have done it too. I am going to try and do better


The circus that surrounds this guy really puts me off my feed. That said, I find him to be very sensitive and vindictive with those that disagree with him - he has offered little other than reassurances on what he will do for foreign policy. He even acknowledges he knows little, but "Boy, will I learn it fast". Simply - He scares me on foreign policy.

domestic, business, immigration, etc, not so bad - but he doesn't stand out except for the flamboyant delivery, not the content.

In general, I get an ACA moment every time I hear him campaign - "I won't tell you how I'll lead, until you give me the job. But I'll be really good at it" I don't know what I'll get until I get it.

I'm not comfy with that. I am very heartened that it has mobilized the anti-establishment sentiment (long overdue), I just wish we had a better poster boy for it.

Edit: as for being smarter than others? I'll share my standardized testing scores if you like - it's somewhere near 99.9% (but it isn't about IQ, it's about being informed first). Shallow voters? Politics is DOMINATED by shallow, knee jerk, feel good responses - look at how ofter bumper stickers are quoted on otherwise decent social sites. Hell yes - I'm smarter than most of the public, most everyone on these boards, including those that I disagree with, including you, have a big step up over the general populace. That has been asked and answered quite a bit, this is a decently smart crowd here.

Did you know half of all the people out there are below average?

Funny you can say that about many you do not know here but what the hell. I really am not bothered by that level of , shall we say, confidence.

Trump is not my first choice either. That said, I am sick and tired of those I have voted for telling me they are going to do something and then, when elected, tuck tail and cry about how they can not do what they said they would try to do.

In the end, I see very little difference in the two established parties. They want the same things and the only reason for the election contest is to see who gets control of most of the money (which I believe ends up in many of their own pockets btw some of it anyway)

Therefore, those that either parties established leaders are against have a draw they can not easily fight. The parties did not create them so it is very hard for those leaders to destroy them

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

BTW
I have a family member who is incredibly intelligent

The money he makes is a bit of a testament to that fact
But
He would have trouble changing a tire

I also know guys who could not pass an 8th grade test of nearly any kind
But
The can fix or build damn near anything

IQ is NOT the only test of smart

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Rstanley0312 1]

wmw999

Good analysis. I don't thing ol' Bernie is quite business as usual, but at least he's not Clinton. I want to like her, but I just can't. Not for all the same reasons the right doesn't, but still.

I read an article about Ted Cruz where he talked about how disenfranchised the "grass roots/core" feel. Dang. They have Texas locked up, along with some other states. Part of our process is giving voice to constituencies, but not sole control.

Maybe the Donald will get a good TV contract offer. He seems like the big game hunter who hasnt bagged a rhino yet, and really wants one, even if he has to take a safari in that ruins the countryside because of its size.

Wendy P.

Wendy,

I always apprecite your thoughts and insight. I think Fio & Rubio are there at the end. Jeb will be unless he does not get any benefit from others dropping out. I can actually see a Rubio/Fio ticket with either being the POTUS nominee or VP. I do not think Jeb will get there and I do not want him to either. His money will keep him around for a while though. I think Trump falls off as other candidates drop and coalesce around someone else. I do not think he will get stronger but hold his rabid supporters until he has no path to victory.

I give credit to Bernie. He seems very honest. He has the moxy to admit he is a socialist. I think he only captures the extreme wing of the Dems and some college kids so I do not think he has a chance really. Hillary is a trainwreck. Biden is the only guy I see as a real chance for the Dems and thats if he runs but I think he will.

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rushmc

Funny you can say that about many you do not know here but what the hell. I really am not bothered by that level of , shall we say, confidence.

I rewrote that edit for clarity. It could have been misread to a pretty bad way. (I think you did, commas and grammar apparently are important, my bad. Take a re-read.)

I'm good with your other comments in that post. Lots of us are.

RStanley's post resonates with me, FWIW, as a good take on it.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[normiss 900]

"IQ is NOT the only test of smart "

[turtlespeed 226]

normiss

"IQ is NOT the only test of smart "

IIRC, IQ is a number representing your ability to overcome problems and using imagination and logic, more than it is about raw knowledge.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[rushmc 23]

normiss

"IQ is NOT the only test of smart "

another testament to your highly tuned debate skills

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rehmwa 2]

Marc - Did you read my correction? It really was a case of a comma instead of a period. again, my bad.


in any case: everyone gets a different set of gifts

there is nothing inherently wrong with acknowledging you are smart and people get all pissy about it.....

an athlete can acknowledge he's good at running and throwing and not get people bent

a musician can acknowledge they are good at performing

your friend might be able to state "I'm good at fixing things". I wonder if someone gets bent if that happens.

(I recognize that your issue was the appearance of singling people out (false and fixed) rather than a general statement vs the average population)

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[rushmc 23]

rehmwa

Marc - Did you read my correction? It really was a case of a comma instead of a period. again, my bad. I did. That made more sense. thanks


in any case: everyone gets a different set of gifts

there is nothing inherently wrong with acknowledging you are smart and people get all pissy about it.....agreed

an athlete can acknowledge he's good at running and throwing and not get people bent

a musician can acknowledge they are good at performing

your friend might be able to state "I'm good at fixing things". I wonder if someone gets bent if that happens.

(I recognize that your issue was the appearance of singling people out (false and fixed) rather than a general statement vs the average population)

thanks for your posts
Easy to read and they make sense

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rehmwa 2]

rushmc

thanks for your posts
Easy to read and they make sense

clearly not all the time. but I'll fix it if I see it in time (the edit timestamp was well before any responses)

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[rushmc 23]

BTW
I will never comment on spelling and punctuation of others!

It is something that is very hard for me to do correctly.
I am not saying I cannot but, it takes me so long I lose patience so fast I stop trying.

Hell, sometimes I spell a word so bad spell check can not even help me.

Anyway, your posts about gifts people have are well taken

Almost everyone has some gift. But for many, it goes unrecognized or unappreciated.

On a good note, the computer I am currently working from just got the browser updated! Spell check no longer locks up my machine!!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[JerryBaumchen 1,470]

Hi rush,

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Almost everyone has some gift. But for many, it goes unrecognized or unappreciated.

Wowzza; for about the 2nd time in the history of mankind, rushmc & I agree on something.

Good for you,

Jerry Baumchen