wmw999 2,589 #101 October 1, 2015 Videoing a same-sex wedding isn't providing gay services. Being one of the married people is. Saying that you'll provide video for white weddings, black weddings, but not for mixed-race weddings would be akin to your stand. I understand your dilemma, but one way around it is not to advertise, or maybe only to do weddings in your own church. It restricts your clientele and business, but maybe in a legal way. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #102 October 1, 2015 wmw999Videoing a same-sex wedding isn't providing gay services. Being one of the married people is. Saying that you'll provide video for white weddings, black weddings, but not for mixed-race weddings would be akin to your stand. I understand your dilemma, but one way around it is not to advertise, or maybe only to do weddings in your own church. It restricts your clientele and business, but maybe in a legal way. Wendy P. ^This. Having a "business" that is open to the public means that you have to serve the public. The whole of the public. Offering the services only to a select group, say one's own church congregation or only to members of that particular faith would be one thing. But once somebody starts offering it to everyone except select groups (especially if one of those groups is a "protected class") is discrimination."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #103 October 1, 2015 billvonSo if a local pharmacy refused to fill prescriptions for any woman who wasn't wearing a burqa (Sharia Law requires it) you'd be OK with that? Boy, don't ya know it is a war on women going on out there? Hell, them burqas might do us some justice with all those fugly transexuals walking around now-a-days... billvonHow about pharmacies that refuse to provide BiDil, because it's used for black men, and the pharmacist does not believe that black men should be treated for heart disease? On a serious note - intolerance can be a good thing, especially when somebody's life is at risk because of one's belief. In your "analogy" my concern would primarily be for the black man. What an injustice, right? What can we do for this guy? He could die... But it seems the concern with what we were actually talking about isn't for the poor homosexuals and their lack of a photographer as much as it's about the perceived evil conservative christians that we all hate...who cares what they believe, who cares if they're having a crisis of conscience, who cares if they have a genuine religious concern about attending a gay wedding - They're probably all like that kim davis hypocrite bitch with 20 divorces - to hell with them...to hell with them all - they're gonna take those god damned fucking pictures or get their dumb asses tossed in jail - let allah sort 'em out...Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #104 October 1, 2015 DanGQuote I simply do not provide gay services There's nothing gay about hitting the record button and aiming the camera. No one is asking you to provide gay services. They are asking you to provide wedding photography services. They would be forcing me to participate in an event that I'm honestly not morally comfortable with...but I uderstand people can be dicks like that and don't care.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #105 October 1, 2015 jakee****** Quotenor do I provide prongraphy services, Which is completely different. But the reasons for not providing it, are not Yes they are. With the exception of the part about not wanting the company being associated with pornography - no, they're not.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #106 October 1, 2015 wmw999Videoing a same-sex wedding isn't providing gay services. Being one of the married people is. Saying that you'll provide video for white weddings, black weddings, but not for mixed-race weddings would be akin to your stand. One could certainly make a biblical case for that, but the issue of mixed race back then wasn't about morality, nor was it about sexual immorality. It was about remaining faithful to God. By intermixing - THE JEWS - were lead astray to other gods... (now, please don't take my word on that - I haven't studied this topic in depth, but I'm pretty confident) wmw999I understand your dilemma Thank you, and the U.S should understand as well. This is a legitimate issue regardless of how trivial secular society may feel. Personally I would like a provision to be made that differentiates homosexual marriage from heterosexual marriage - they are clearly two different services. Granted any provision like this is likely to be abused, but as we've learned, that's life in a free society...Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #107 October 1, 2015 wolfriverjoe***Videoing a same-sex wedding isn't providing gay services. Being one of the married people is. Saying that you'll provide video for white weddings, black weddings, but not for mixed-race weddings would be akin to your stand. I understand your dilemma, but one way around it is not to advertise, or maybe only to do weddings in your own church. It restricts your clientele and business, but maybe in a legal way. Wendy P. ^This. Having a "business" that is open to the public means that you have to serve the public. The whole of the public. Offering the services only to a select group, say one's own church congregation or only to members of that particular faith would be one thing. But once somebody starts offering it to everyone except select groups (especially if one of those groups is a "protected class") is discrimination. Again, homosexual weddings aren't heterosexual weddings - they are two completely different services. Would you have a public brothel force homosexual prostitutes to have heterosexual sex in cities where prostitution is legal?Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #108 October 1, 2015 Coreeece ********* Quote nor do I provide prongraphy services, Which is completely different. But the reasons for not providing it, are not Yes they are. With the exception of the part about not wanting the company being associated with pornography - no, they're not. Oh sure, if you ignore all the ways that they're different then yeah, they're the same. But then what is your point, exactly?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #109 October 1, 2015 I've been perfectly clear...you just refuse to listen.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #110 October 1, 2015 CoreeeceI've been perfectly clear...you just refuse to listen. Yes, you've made it perfectly clear that gay marriage is the same as porn as long as you ignore the differences. Which is clearly a pointless statement. It's like saying a Giraffe is the same as a horse if you ignore the long neck (and a few other things). You can ignore it all you want but a giraffe still has a long neck and it's still not the same as a horse.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #111 October 1, 2015 In case you haven't noticed, you're not the only person I responded to in this thread...there is more content.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #112 October 1, 2015 wolfriverjoe***Something else I found amusing up here, I mentioned to a Vietnam vet buddy and retired GA State Trooper that there seems to be an above average number of vehicles operating with one headlight. He replied, the reason is that state vehicle inspections have been discontinued. They are discriminatory to blacks. Go figure. Ummm.... Does your buddy know that the cops can pull a car over for having a headlight out? Really, they can. It's an equipment code violation. And I don't see any requirement for a safety inspection at all in GA. Emissions testing in some places, but that's it. Some states require an annual safety inspection, some don't. Wiki Clicky Yes, he did explain that without an equipment inspection requirement all that could be done is issue a warning ticket. Then the onus is on the LEO to maintain warning ticket records and follow up. He said it just was not worth the time.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #113 October 1, 2015 gowlerk***Bullshit Ron, who recently explained that he is afraid of black people has a racist ex-cop friend who said so. What more proof do you need? I'm sorry, I'm not following you here.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #114 October 1, 2015 gowlerk***Bullshit Ron, who recently explained that he is afraid of black people has a racist ex-cop friend who said so. What more proof do you need? How about proof of wtf you're talking about?Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #115 October 1, 2015 SkyDekkerJust goes to show that going to Vietnam and being a state trooper doesn't make you particularly smart. Please explain your bias here.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #116 October 1, 2015 Coreeece In case you haven't noticed, you're not the only person I responded to in this thread...there is more content. But with the same meaningDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #117 October 1, 2015 >Again, homosexual weddings aren't heterosexual weddings - they are two >completely different services. And interracial marriages aren't like normal weddings - they are two completely different things. But again, refusing to do interracial marriages is going to land you in hot water. However, there is an easy solution to your problem - don't advertise that you do weddings for anyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #118 October 1, 2015 billvon>Again, homosexual weddings aren't heterosexual weddings - they are two >completely different services. And interracial marriages aren't like normal weddings - they are two completely different things. But again, refusing to do interracial marriages is going to land you in hot water. However, there is an easy solution to your problem - don't advertise that you do weddings for anyone. Not sure why people seem to think it is the government's job to create a economic market they are comfortable in. Your business market changed, adapt or die is really the only principle at work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #119 October 1, 2015 jakee************ Quotenor do I provide prongraphy services, Which is completely different. But the reasons for not providing it, are not Yes they are. With the exception of the part about not wanting the company being associated with pornography - no, they're not. Oh sure, if you ignore all the ways that they're different then yeah, they're the same. Like moisture vaporators and binary load lifters, very similar in most respects.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 28 #120 October 1, 2015 RonD1120 Something I find funny. I own an '03 Toyota Tundra and the check engine light keeps coming on, an EVAP sensor somewhere. I was told to put a piece of black tape over the light. There are no emission control laws in Georgia. Simplest thing to do is check the 'O"ring on the inside of your gas cap. If it has tiny cracks,just replace it. the fumes will escape, system looses pressure and Bingo,check engine light.If you leave the cap loose ,same result. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #121 October 1, 2015 SkyDekker***>Again, homosexual weddings aren't heterosexual weddings - they are two >completely different services. And interracial marriages aren't like normal weddings - they are two completely different things. But again, refusing to do interracial marriages is going to land you in hot water. However, there is an easy solution to your problem - don't advertise that you do weddings for anyone. Not sure why people seem to think it is the government's job to create a economic market they are comfortable in. Your business market changed, adapt or die is really the only principle at work. If that's true, why are non governmental antidiscrimination laws needed at all? Those that choose to be discriminatory, once word gets out about them are generally finished. Look at what happened with the Wedding cake bakery. News got out and the market decided the behavior was unacceptable and the bakery closed. No need for a law.Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #122 October 1, 2015 QuoteThose that choose to be discriminatory, once word gets out about them are generally finished. There are many examples of this not being the case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #123 October 1, 2015 SkyDekkerQuoteThose that choose to be discriminatory, once word gets out about them are generally finished. There are many examples of this not being the case. In recent history in the US?Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #124 October 1, 2015 QuoteLook at what happened with the Wedding cake bakery. News got out and the market decided the behavior was unacceptable and the bakery closed. Is that what happened? That's not what the bakers said. And, why bother baking cakes when you're getting free money from other bigots on-line? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #125 October 1, 2015 Bolas***QuoteThose that choose to be discriminatory, once word gets out about them are generally finished. There are many examples of this not being the case. In recent history in the US? Recent history would be less representative, since more regulation is in place. White only restaurants don't exist because of regulation, not because of free market or the good of society. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
