More impressive police work!

[kallend 2,138]

normiss

... they sent it to Texas DPS crime lab for video enhancement to see.
Huh?

Glad they chose an impartial lab.

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normiss

Must have some REAL long arms for that to be a risk.
While hands were raised.

I'm actually curious to see if that's true, I'm puzzled by the claim the "new video makes it clear" that I saw on a news banner, while they sent it to Texas DPS crime lab for video enhancement to see.
Huh?

The video that was released with the viewpoint being a block away around the corner does show him raising his hands, though he was partially obscured.

The other unreleased video, was reportedly from a neighbor who was much closer. That's all I can figure. Guess we'll just have to wait and see, but I think the cops were in the wrong here.

There will be no addressing the customers as "Bitches", "Morons" or "Retards"!

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

normiss

Must have some REAL long arms for that to be a risk.
While hands were raised.

Anyone within about 7 yards is considered a "deadly threat" when armed with a knife.

It's known as the Tueller Drill

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[normiss 886]

After allowing him to turn his back on them twice to talk to the cop in the car?
Sure.
I don't understand the fear of someone facing the opposite direction.
Must be some sort of phobia.
Up there with kill them when they surrender.

[winsor 236]

wolfriverjoe

***Must have some REAL long arms for that to be a risk.
While hands were raised.

Anyone within about 7 yards is considered a "deadly threat" when armed with a knife.

It's known as the Tueller Drill

A fundamental principal with deadly force is that the only justification for its use is stopping an attack. In this case, the suspect had not initiated an attack, but was within the critical 21 feet.

The dilemma is whether a to fire a shot that renders the perp incapable of running 21 feet, say in the leg, move so that over 21 feet is maintained, or to "shoot to stop."

Shooting to wound is a guaranteed invite to a BIG lawsuit. Even though it would have saved the life of the perp in this case, it makes the cop/shooter the judge, jury and executioner by the principle that, given the opportunity to select you shot that carefully, you did not have to shoot in the first place.

I'm not sure if I would trust a Taser against someone armed with a knife. If you don't get a good zap, a talented aggressor can stab the hell out of you before you can clear leather with the sidearm.

If someone has threatened to commit suicide by cop, they may well have a 'nothing to lose' standpoint, and present a much more significant threat than someone who would like to survive. Apparently that was the case with this guy.

I have one advantage over the police in a situation like this. I can ethically run like hell.


BSBD,

Winsor

[DanG 1]

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I'm not sure if I would trust a Taser against someone armed with a knife. If you don't get a good zap, a talented aggressor can stab the hell out of you before you can clear leather with the sidearm.

When you're alone, sure. When there are two other cops there, I think a Taser would be more appropriate, assuming he was actually armed.

- Dan G

[winsor 236]

DanG

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I'm not sure if I would trust a Taser against someone armed with a knife. If you don't get a good zap, a talented aggressor can stab the hell out of you before you can clear leather with the sidearm.

When you're alone, sure. When there are two other cops there, I think a Taser would be more appropriate, assuming he was actually armed.

Good point.

Somehow I think it would be better to school police in one of the softer martial arts (i.e., Aikido rather than Tae Kwon Do) and/or let them use riot shields to go up against people without ballistic weapons.

Some time back I saw some teevee bit where an annoyed person was walking along the street with a knife duct taped in his hand. He had not harmed anyone, but when the cops cornered him, they wound up shooting him. The wound did not look impressive, but from the angle of entry, I imagine he bled out before EMS got there.

In any event, I thought the whole thing was avoidable. My main objection to the use of firearms for self defense is that they are all or nothing (not to include pistol whipping, etc.). With a billy club, a cop can get someone's attention by gently tapping, or they can put someone's lights out by using a bit more enthusiasm.

Any way you cut it, this was hardly a righteous shoot.

I kind of wish the cops there were constrained by English rules, or were skilled enough to disarm a machete-wielding psycho and have them wondering what happened when they came to in the back of the squad car.

Overkill is the sign of an amateur.


BSBD,

Winsor

[airdvr 210]

I thought I read upstream that the taser was ineffective.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

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rushmc

Seems like we got open season on police nowadays

BULLSHIT.

Barring a severe uptick over the next few months, this year will end with fewer police deaths than we've seen in a long time. And while yes, 83 cops have died on duty this year, a large chunk of those were crashing their cars doing fuck knows what, having heart attacks, or otherwise things that are not the fault of others.

cavete terrae.

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Iago

*********Nice shootin' Tex.

If a fat dude in his underdrawers talking to a lady cop in her squad car is a threat, maybe you're in the wrong line of work.

These incidents show again and again why police need to lose access to hard ammo as the primary load in their sidearm.

Gee, that should make things interesting when an officer finds himself in a gunfight !!!

Since they seem to be using the sidearms to kill unarmed people or pump cars full of holes, I see no reason why they should not start with a magazine of rubber or plastic rounds.

They are policing a civilian population. They are NOT USMC Force Recon door kickers.

Do you have any idea how hard it is to consistently kill dogs and poor people with less-lethal munitions? How can we possibly expect them to get out of bed in the morning and go to work knowing they might have to pistol whip Lassie instead of shoot him when raiding the wrong house?

cavete terrae.

[rushmc 23]

grue

***Seems like we got open season on police nowadays

BULLSHIT.

Barring a severe uptick over the next few months, this year will end with fewer police deaths than we've seen in a long time. And while yes, 83 cops have died on duty this year, a large chunk of those were crashing their cars doing fuck knows what, having heart attacks, or otherwise things that are not the fault of others.

Doesn't change what I said. Cops are being executed now. We haven't seen that s*** happening like it is now ever before. So keep your b*******

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[winsor 236]

airdvr

I thought I read upstream that the taser was ineffective.

If you get good contact with both electrodes, a taser will shock the living snot out of you.

If you don't get said contact, not so much. There have been cases where the darts didn't sink into meat, and the perp was still on a roll.

[jakee 1,585]

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We haven't seen that s*** happening like it is now ever before.

Yeah you have.

Ain't nothin' new under the sun.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[christelsabine 1]

rushmc

******Seems like we got open season on police nowadays

BULLSHIT.

Barring a severe uptick over the next few months, this year will end with fewer police deaths than we've seen in a long time. And while yes, 83 cops have died on duty this year, a large chunk of those were crashing their cars doing fuck knows what, having heart attacks, or otherwise things that are not the fault of others.

Doesn't change what I said. Cops are being executed now. We haven't seen that s*** happening like it is now ever before. So keep your b*******

Have a closer look here:

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/war-cops-debunked-police-fatalities-year-steady-decline-3-decades/

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Firearms-related fatalities among law enforcement officers have decreased each decade since the 1970s, according to the memorial fund’s data. In the 1970s, an average of 127 officers were killed with guns annually. That dropped to an average of 87 officers a year in the 1980s. Last year, firearms deaths rose from 32 officers in 2013 to 50 in 2014 – a 56 percent increase, but still below this decade’s average of 53 officers a year.” – Center for Investigative Reporting

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The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund tracks this data, and 2015 is looking to be a relatively safe year for cops in the multi-year context. As of September 1st, there were 25 firearms-related fatalities among law enforcement officers (2 were killed by accidental discharge of their firearms)

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

******Seems like we got open season on police nowadays

BULLSHIT.

Barring a severe uptick over the next few months, this year will end with fewer police deaths than we've seen in a long time. And while yes, 83 cops have died on duty this year, a large chunk of those were crashing their cars doing fuck knows what, having heart attacks, or otherwise things that are not the fault of others.

Doesn't change what I said. Cops are being executed now. We haven't seen that s*** happening like it is now ever before. So keep your b*******

Isn't that exactly how the 2nd Amendment is supposed to work. Police have been overstepping their bounds for a while. More agressive, killing the occassional innocent person etc. Society is rising up and fighting this tyrannical part of the government.

You should be happy, it is working as it should.

[billvon 3,098]

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Isn't that exactly how the 2nd Amendment is supposed to work. Police have been overstepping their bounds for a while. More agressive, killing the occassional innocent person etc. Society is rising up and fighting this tyrannical part of the government.

Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.

[kallend 2,138]

rushmc

Seems like we got open season on police nowadays

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/01/manhunt-on-for-gunman-after-cop-reportedly-killed-in-chicago/

And I agree with this sherif as to who is to blame

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/sheriff-clarke-obama-started-war-police

WELL, it seems that all was not as it seemed at the time. A lesson in not jumping to premature conclusions, Marc.

www.cnn.com/2015/11/04/us/fox-lake-illinois-police-officer-joe-gliniewicz/

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[skycop 0]

Very safe,
Because policing is so safe, people are flocking to it for the safety and security


http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Shooting-San-Diego-Laurel-Gunshots-340219382.html

http://www.wkyt.com/home/headlines/Richmond-officer-rushed-to-UK-Hospital-after-being-shot-340139972.html

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