yoink 321 #1 August 6, 2015 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33802026 Quote An 11-year-old boy has been charged with manslaughter, accused of using his father's gun to shoot a three-year-old boy in Detroit, US media reports say. The boy was visiting his father in the east of the city on Monday when he took a handgun from the bedroom. He is said to have thrown the gun out into the back garden, retrieved it and jumped into a parked car. Later, the three-year-old boy went into the car, was then shot in the face and later died, prosecutors say. The older boy appeared in a juvenile court for a preliminary hearing on Wednesday afternoon. He faces another two charges of death by weapon aimed with intent, but without malice, and felony firearm. "I cannot remember a time when we have charged someone so young with taking a life," said prosecutor Kym Worthy in a statement. "Very unfortunately and very tragically, the alleged facts in this case demanded it." But experts who spoke to the Detroit Free Press newspaper said it was not clear whether an 11-year-old could be competent enough to face such charges. In Michigan, prosecutors have wide discretion to charge people of any age, though the judge has some say in the process, the paper says. But prosecutors would have to prove that a youth, in this case 11 years old, had "criminal intent". Nothing new to learn from this... for fucks sake, guys. If you're so insistent about owning guns at least lock them up. The father should be prosecuted in this case as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #2 August 6, 2015 I've said the same thing numerous times, the typical response is that of mockery. I'm losing more and more faith in the "responsible" gun owners every time I see a fatal result from complacency and a general lack of responsibility. 10 years, first offense, every time, no exceptions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #3 August 6, 2015 yoinkThe father should be prosecuted in this case as well. absolutely - this is criminal negligence at a bare minimum he FAILED to secure his property to even minimum safe standards he FAILED to teach his son correctly if he's any kind of real man, he should be completely devastated by this - one son deal, the other one likely damaged beyond repair I doubt you'll get much argument from anyone here - at least until the usual crowd goes off on a tangent and start pitching extremes and strawmen ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #4 August 6, 2015 Quote 11-year-old boy has been charged with manslaughter WUTT Quote He is said to have thrown the gun out into the back garden, retrieved it and jumped into a parked car. Later, the three-year-old boy went into the car, was then shot in the face and later died, prosecutors say. Quote But prosecutors would have to prove that a youth, in this case 11 years old, had "criminal intent" If anything the DAD should face charges.... Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #5 August 6, 2015 Anvilbrother Quote 11-year-old boy has been charged with manslaughter WUTT UK=ism. Killing someone without intent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #6 August 7, 2015 normissI've said the same thing numerous times, the typical response is that of mockery. I'm losing more and more faith in the "responsible" gun owners every time I see a fatal result from complacency and a general lack of responsibility. 10 years, first offense, every time, no exceptions. Sounds like you are In Favor of zero tolerance laws.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tikl68 6 #7 August 8, 2015 NO! It sounds like he is in favor of putting the responsibility where it should be... on the irresponsible parent/ irresponsible fire arm owner, which is what he has always said. LOCK UP YOUR GUN!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #8 August 8, 2015 so sad that the three year old was not armed and able to defend himself.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,277 #9 August 8, 2015 Quoteso sad that the three year old was not armed and able to defend himself.... Just another 2nd amendment death. But it's well worth the cost because guns are just so fucking cool and fun to play with.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #10 August 8, 2015 tikl68NO! It sounds like he is in favor of putting the responsibility where it should be... on the irresponsible parent/ irresponsible fire arm owner, which is what he has always said. LOCK UP YOUR GUN!!!! Ok. I didn't say I disagreed with the premise. It's the zero tolerance mentality that is stupid. For instance: Quotehttp://www.alternet.org/story/143213/the_stupidity_of_%22zero-tolerance%22%3A_6-year-old_suspended_for_bringing_food_utensil_to_school And Quotehttp://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/18/new.york.doodle.arrest/ And here are some more Quotehttp://reason.com/blog/2014/12/29/the-top-10-zero-tolerance-follies-of-201#.lcq618:efniI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
