Another out of control cop

[okalb 104]

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/crazed-cop-stalks-man-pulls-gun-filming-front-yard/#ReQrm3Ce1j0ST4xJ.99

You film me, I film you. Then I draw my gun on you for filming me!

Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana

[wmw999 2,557]

To me the problem in part is one of power. The police have it within the context of police work, and sometimes forget that's a limited context. But most really are trying to do the right thing most of the time (though this guy is a serious dipshit)

And some minorities are defensive of the power they have as citizens -- remember that many (most?) of them have immediate family member's who can remember when they had either a lot less, or none. Of course it's going to be jealously guarded.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[BIGUN 1,438]

Since when did being a "Constitutionalist" = crazy?

I see the problem also as one wherein we live by the Constitution, but they're still living by the Patriot Act.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[skycop 0]

There is no video of what led up to this, I'm sure there was some type of incident between the two before this video started.
I'd be curious to find out what that was, and if any threats were made (actual or implied) previous to the video.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[jakee 1,568]

skycop

There is no video of what led up to this, I'm sure there was some type of incident between the two before this video started.
I'd be curious to find out what that was, and if any threats were made (actual or implied) previous to the video.

On the one hand, yeah, there is clearly a history and it would be interesting to know what it was.

On the other hand, it doesn't matter a flying fuck to the right or wrong of the cops behaviour. He doesn't get to come onto the guy's property with his gun out demanding to see hands without a clear reason to do so in the immediate present.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Amazon 7]

BIGUN

Since when did being a "Constitutionalist" = crazy?

I see the problem also as one wherein we live by the Constitution, but they're still living by the Patriot Act.

Seems a lot of people are dying by the rather ill named Patriot Act when one of the BLUE Gang is all afeared of those he is supposed to be pertectin

[BIGUN 1,438]

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Why We Should Eliminate the Department of Homeland Security

With a large portion of state and local terrorism funding residing at DHS and ICE's existence in the department, state and local law enforcement must contend with multiple intelligence entities...


http://reason.com/archives/2015/06/23/president-bush-was-right-before-he-was-w/

In other words, local police no longer exist to serve the community; but to serve their employers and financiers.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[skycop 0]

There MAY have been threats and weapons involved, if not then I agree with you.
I haven't seen this reported in the media much, so I'd bet there is much more to it.
But who knows..........

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[champu 1]

The interesting part of the video to me is near the end where the officer, with gun still drawn, chooses to turn his back on the guy and awkwardly step over the trailer and walk around the driver's side of the car rather than just return to his vehicle in a straight line.

Psychologically I think I know why he did that, but I'm curious as to other people's opinions.

[jakee 1,568]

skycop

There MAY have been threats and weapons involved, if not then I agree with you.

but how does that make sense for the situation?

There was somehow a threat so serious that the cop felt the need to step out of his vehicle and approach with his weapon drawn, but at the same time so trivial that he just turned his back on the guy and left when it became clear that the guy wouldn't just roll over?

There is absolutely no way of constructing that scenario that makes the cops actions any less ridiculous and unnecessary.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[skycop 0]

If the guy has a history of prior contacts, involving violence or weapons.
My guess is there is an extensive history between this guy and the PD.
With that said, if the guy is just a pain in the ass, then the officers actions were not warranted and he should be looking for another job.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[jakee 1,568]

skycop

If the guy has a history of prior contacts, involving violence or weapons.

Yeah, like I said - if the guy has a history of violence and weapons then why was the cop happy to turn his back on him and walk away without ever finding out what was in the guy's pocket? One minute the situation is so dangerous the cop needs to exit his vehicle and approach the guy on his own property with weapon drawn then the next minute, despite the guy being uncooperative and hostile, it's safe enough to walk away?

It's bullshit, no matter which way you try and approach it.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[skycop 0]

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It's bullshit, no matter which way you try and approach it.

What's bullshit is an edited video with no context.
We'll see how this shakes out.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[jakee 1,568]

What edits are there in between him drawing his weapon, demanding to see the guys hand out of his pocket, and then turning his back and leaving without ever finding out if the guy was armed?

You haven't yet directly commented on that part of it, probably because you know it's indefensible bullshit from the cop.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[normiss 868]

"it's indefensible bullshit from the cop. "

Yet never by another cop.

To me, that's a very large part of the problem.

[skycop 0]

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You haven't yet directly commented on that part of it, probably because you know it's indefensible bullshit from the cop.

You simply choose not to read.

If this guy wasn't armed, or there is isn't a significant threat or history, the officer should be looking for another job.

I'm pointing out there could be (and usually is) more to the story.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[jakee 1,568]

I've read exactly what you've said, and I'm pointing out that it is also crystal clear what you are not saying.

IF there was a significant threat, IF he was armed, then at what point during the encounter in (which the guy refused to show the cop his hand, refused to show him what was in his pocket, refused to cooperate in any way and was clearly hostile in demeanour) did the cop decide it was then safe to turn his back and walk away?

Since you refuse to answer I can only assume that you think the cop acted correctly (if there had been a credible threat), and there was a clear point during the encounter that changed the situation from 'dangerous' to 'safe'.

Which is clearly bullshit.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[skycop 0]

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I'm pointing out there could be (and usually is) more to the story.

Yawn............
If there wasn't more to it, and the officer got pissed off and acted that way, he should be out of a job.
BUT, you or I have no idea what led up to this. I've been in enough messed up situations to withhold judgment unless I have ALL information.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[normiss 868]

It's interesting that in the case of LEO's, the default assumption is one of a justified shooting, always holding out hope that there is something there to justify it.
It's not quite as interesting to see a complete 180 when it's a non-blue liner.

[jakee 1,568]

Yes, it is really boring when you keep missing the point in the same way.

If there was more to it, the cop's actions are still bullshit. I've basically run out of other ways to say it, so if you want to keep pretending not to understand then I've got nothing more for ya.

You win by attrition. Well done.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[skycop 0]

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It's interesting that in the case of LEO's, the default assumption is one of a justified shooting, always holding out hope that there is something there to justify it.
It's not quite as interesting to see a complete 180 when it's a non-blue liner.

Throw yourself into thousands of fucked up situations, many that defy any reason or cause. Then do so on purpose, where these things happen often, and see why you look at things with a bit more of a critical eye.

Do that and we'll talk.

I call things as I see them, always have, always will.

There are always two sides to every story, we don't know the other side.

But youtube and the internet make us all experts.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[normiss 868]

No, the hundreds of cops shooting and killing citizens, the number of times the federal justice department gets involved, the number of times citizens are killed by cops because they are afraid of them, and the number of times innocents are shot while complying show us these events are a problem and why this problem is finally being recognized.

Nothing is making any of us "experts" or we would be working TOGETHER to solve the problem.

[Anvilbrother 0]

Do you know all the facts about this incident?

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[Amazon 7]

Anvilbrother

Do you know all the facts about this incident?

Well we at least know that the citizen did not die.... when the officer had his gun on him.... if he would twitched at that moment I guess he could have used the "I feared for my life" like so many seem to be doing...

[Anvilbrother 0]

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Hyperbole much??????

Thanks I did not even have to type it out, just cut and paste from your post.

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