skycop 0 #76 August 8, 2015 Read the entire post, But it was much harder to be a Brown Shirt, because they respected everyone's right to bear arms to a fault. No I'm not playing fast and hard, nor am I reaching for straws......... We've already had this discussion at some point........... "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 868 #77 August 9, 2015 He calls them excuses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #78 August 9, 2015 33% of officers killed are killed with their own firearms....... "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,566 #79 August 9, 2015 skycop 33% of officers killed are killed with their own firearms....... Link? (Love the logic by the way: "I am armed, therefore I must shoot you for my own protection lest you disarm me!"Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,566 #81 August 9, 2015 normiss Suicides? Hah! You know what always smells like bullshit? Round numbers.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #82 August 9, 2015 Quote Hah! You know what always smells like bullshit? Round numbers.Unimpressed Your jump number is a round number...Just saying Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #83 August 9, 2015 jakee ***There is a gun at every scene, What, a cops gun? Yeah, should make it that much easier to subdue an unarmed guy without shooting him, right? Looks like the only guns at this incident were cops guns.... http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/texas-officer-fatally-shoots-unarmed-college-student/ar-BBlx0JU?ocid=spartandhp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #84 August 9, 2015 Quote n the 1970s (the first time the FBI started tracking statistics on officers killed and injured in the line of duty) and into the 1980s, about 20% of the cops killed in the line of duty were shot with their own sidearms. Thanks to high-security holsters (these require multiple actions or specific counter-intuitive movements to release the gun from the holster) and better weapon retention training, this has dropped to less than 5%, often much less. It happens, but these days it doesn't happen very often. My numbers were old, so am I, so sue me, it does happen still more than it should. High retention level holsters have reduced this number significantly. I had one try to grab mine during a fight a couple years ago, mine worked. Didn't work out so well for him............ As far as suicides go, I've had two friends do it in the last year. The dangers of police work aren't just physical, both were good people fighting demons no one knew about. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BartsDaddy 7 #85 August 9, 2015 skycop Quote n the 1970s (the first time the FBI started tracking statistics on officers killed and injured in the line of duty) and into the 1980s, about 20% of the cops killed in the line of duty were shot with their own sidearms. Thanks to high-security holsters (these require multiple actions or specific counter-intuitive movements to release the gun from the holster) and better weapon retention training, this has dropped to less than 5%, often much less. It happens, but these days it doesn't happen very often. My numbers were old, so am I, so sue me, it does happen still more than it should. High retention level holsters have reduced this number significantly. I had one try to grab mine during a fight a couple years ago, mine worked. Didn't work out so well for him............ As far as suicides go, I've had two friends do it in the last year. The dangers of police work aren't just physical, both were good people fighting demons no one knew about. Is that the way you write reports also? My numbers were off so sue me. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #86 August 9, 2015 Yea because this thread is going straight to court. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BartsDaddy 7 #87 August 9, 2015 Anvilbrother Yea because this thread is going straight to court. So if it is not going to court it is ok to inflate the numbers by 600 percent give or take, huh? Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 868 #88 August 9, 2015 Neither one of these two seem to be doing well with facts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #89 August 9, 2015 It's a discussion on a skydiving website about cops not a deposition. Have you never mentioned any statistic in the course of a discussion that you remembered seeing at one time, but found out later it was Misquoted or off the number? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #90 August 9, 2015 normiss Neither one of these two seem to be doing well with facts. What facts have I missed? You think cops criminal defense are paid with public funds. You seem to be one with verified fact issues. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 868 #91 August 9, 2015 Justified. Next case! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BartsDaddy 7 #92 August 9, 2015 Anvilbrother It's a discussion on a skydiving website about cops not a deposition. Have you never mentioned any statistic in the course of a discussion that you remembered seeing at one time, but found out later it was Misquoted or off the number? Yes I once quoted you could trust law enforcement to protect you. That time is long gone. So yes I was wrong on that. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #93 August 9, 2015 Another quality troll post by the master himself. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,566 #94 August 9, 2015 skycop My numbers were old, so am I, so sue me, it does happen still more than it should. Yeah, that's a nice way of saying "I'm sorry I was totally wrong...."Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,566 #95 August 9, 2015 Anvilbrother Quote Hah! You know what always smells like bullshit? Round numbers.Unimpressed Your jump number is a round number...Just saying And you're right to be suspicious, it's closer to 1150 at this point. Which is massively closer than 33% is to 5%, or even 33% to 20%Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #96 August 9, 2015 I make a mistake, then make an attempt at humor, the results are like a scene out of grumpy old men......... An accurate statement would have been "at one time, up to 33% of officers were killed with their own guns". The causes of officers deaths are dynamic stats that change yearly. I've been out of the formal training business for a while, the stat I quoted was old and out of date evidently. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,114 #97 August 9, 2015 normiss He calls them excuses. "Excuses" are the bogus reasons he gives for the rate of killings by cops in the USA being so far out of line with the rest of the western world.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,566 #98 August 9, 2015 skycop An accurate statement would have been "at one time, up to 33% of officers were killed with their own guns". Link? Because according to the quote you posted that is a massively inaccurate statement...Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #99 August 9, 2015 There is no link, Through almost 30yrs and thousands of hours of training, the number was quoted to me, at some point it was accurate, it is no longer. The internet makes everyone an expert. I've had people try to get to my weapon on several occasions during fights, none were successful. In the 80's I had a guy run from me, when I caught him he decided to fight, he broke my jaw, and got me into a headlock. At one point I was very close to losing consciousness, I also came very close to shooting him. The guy was unarmed, but an unconscious cop is easily disarmed. I eventually won the fight, but sometimes cops don't. I'm sorry I misquoted a stat, it might be because sometimes I don't sleep well because my jaw is still fucked up, who knows. I don't just sit and pound a keyboard, I live this stuff.......... "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,566 #100 August 9, 2015 Quote Through almost 30yrs and thousands of hours of training, the number was quoted to me, at some point it was accurate, it is no longer. How do you know it was accurate? The quote you provided as support says it was never anywhere remotely close to being accurate. Quote The internet makes everyone an expert. Yeah, luckily decades old hearsay is so much more reliableDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
