Planned Parenthood and the term "slippery slope" .

[DanG 1]

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Running out of space huh...

I don't even know what that means.

If there is a "born-alive" infant, then I think the medical professionals have a moral obligation to try and keep it alive. I suspect that the number of "born-alive" infants resulting from abortion procedures is extremely small, if it even happens at all.

Anyway, your quote says specifically that chemical abortions are not done if they think they can use the tissue, so it's really a moot point as far as this discussion goes.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

DanG

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Running out of space huh...

I don't even know what that means.

If there is a "born-alive" infant, then I think the medical professionals have a moral obligation to try and keep it alive. I suspect that the number of "born-alive" infants resulting from abortion procedures is extremely small, if it even happens at all.

Anyway, your quote says specifically that chemical abortions are not done if they think they can use the tissue, so it's really a moot point as far as this discussion goes.

Ah

Read further
Or better yet
If you can stand it
look at the video

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,114]

>So, if these so called fetus's are born aborted alive, are you still ok with
>shipping them out for parts?

Up to the parents. If a child dies, the parents decide whether they want to donate the child's body to save other children.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>So, if these so called fetus's are born aborted alive, are you still ok with
>shipping them out for parts?

Up to the parents. If a child dies, the parents decide whether they want to donate the child's body to save other children.

Now you have to slip away from what is happening to TRY and make a case

Sickening

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,594]

turtlespeed

*********No.

So they are, how did you put it, hypocritical partisan hacks?

No.

Then they must not be Americans then.

No, I'm pretty sure they're Americans.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[turtlespeed 226]

jakee

************No.

So they are, how did you put it, hypocritical partisan hacks?

No.

Then they must not be Americans then.

No, I'm pretty sure they're Americans.

And you bolded "all". I think it was even all caps.

So . . .

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[turtlespeed 226]

billvon

>So, if these so called fetus's are born aborted alive, are you still ok with
>shipping them out for parts?

Up to the parents. If a child dies, the parents decide whether they want to donate the child's body to save other children.

I don't believe the question was whether the parents bore the responsibility, the question was whether or not you were OK with them shipping the babies pieces and parts away.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[rushmc 23]

turtlespeed

***>So, if these so called fetus's are born aborted alive, are you still ok with
>shipping them out for parts?

Up to the parents. If a child dies, the parents decide whether they want to donate the child's body to save other children.

I don't believe the question was whether the parents bore the responsibility, the question was whether or not you were OK with them shipping the babies pieces and parts away.

It is against federal law to alter an abortion to save tissue.

These so called Dr's are comitting felonies

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,114]

>I don't believe the question was whether the parents bore the responsibility,
>the question was whether or not you were OK with them shipping the babies
>pieces and parts away.

IF the parents are OK with it, then so am I. They get to decide what to do with the body. They can ship it off to a cremation facility, or funeral home for burial, or a medical facility for transplant. Up to them.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>I don't believe the question was whether the parents bore the responsibility,
>the question was whether or not you were OK with them shipping the babies
>pieces and parts away.

IF the parents are OK with it, then so am I. They get to decide what to do with the body. They can ship it off to a cremation facility, or funeral home for burial, or a medical facility for transplant. Up to them.

Changing the procedure to get baby parts (so you can sell them) is a felony
Becuase it endangers the mothers health

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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Changing the procedure to get baby parts (so you can sell them) is a felony
Becuase it endangers the mothers health

A. They aren't baby parts. They are dead tissue.
B. You're made it quite clear you don't care about the mother's health.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

DanG

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Changing the procedure to get baby parts (so you can sell them) is a felony
Becuase it endangers the mothers health

A. They aren't baby parts. They are dead tissue.semantics
B. You're made it quite clear you don't care about the mother's health.

Bullshit

You can not find one post that backs that lie up

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,114]

>Changing the procedure to get baby parts (so you can sell them) is a felony

Aaand - there go the goal posts! Nice move.

[gowlerk 2,275]

First line of the OP

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I have made my views on abortion very very clear on this site.

Yes, you have. Now cut the bullshit phony outrage. It's just tissue after the murder. If you object to murder just say so. If the life of the fetus is more important than the wishes of the owner of the womb carrying it, just say so. Yes abortion is gross to watch, that's completely beside the point. Have you ever watched an autopsy? Gross as well, but not immoral.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>Changing the procedure to get baby parts (so you can sell them) is a felony

Aaand - there go the goal posts! Nice move.

Nah

Been in many of links have provided

Nice diversion on your part however. Nice move

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Yes

Imoral imo

But i only ask for one thing

Do you know what that is?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[tkhayes 348]

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Now you have to slip away from what is happening....

it has already been established that 'nothing' is happening except that you are sickened by it. there is NOTHING happening that is illegal, against the law, not upheld by any court, out of the ordinary for medical science or research and nothing that has not happened for decades, perhaps centuries. Or for that matter, sickening. only to you

NOTHING is happening, therefor we are not actually obligated to make ANY case. you are the accuser...go head and make your case...ad nauseum, again and again and again, which is called rhetoric.

we get it - you are sickened. i am sickened by people like you - does that make my case to have you outlawed?

[gowlerk 2,275]

Yes, you want PP to be defunded. But the real reason for that is the fact that they provide abortion services to women. The tissue side issue is merely a vehicle to help you reach your goal. Your outrage over the tissue issue is phony.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[rushmc 23]

You are consistant

And desperate

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

gowlerk

Yes, you want PP to be defunded. But the real reason for that is the fact that they provide abortion services to women. The tissue side issue is merely a vehicle to help you reach your goal. Your outrage over the tissue issue is phony.

You are wrong

But then you dont care...

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[gowlerk 2,275]

Also from your OP:

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No tax dollars should be going to this group
Period!

From your last post:

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You are wrong

But then you dont care...

I know I'm wasting my time, but I have lots tonight. So here goes.

In exactly what way are you saying I am wrong? If you tell me that I'll tell you if you are correct about me not caring.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[rushmc 23]

I know I'm wasting my time, but I'll try anyway. So your mind reading tells you that I want to defund Planned Parenthood because I don't want them to get services. Well that's f****** hilarious. So that's not the case at all. I'm not against family planning. All I am against is tax dollars being used for abortions. So your mind reading his failed you again, and I'm sure I'm wasting my time pointing that out to you. In the end, all I want to know is my dollars are not used for abortions. Saying that they are not, is a delusion. You also claim that my outrage is phony. No, the only thing is phony is your mind reading powers. They must be much greater in your mind than they really are.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[gowlerk 2,275]

So, you don't want public funding for abortion and you do not accept that funding for PP can be separated into categories. I can agree with that. It is also phony to pretend that funding an organization for one thing does not help it to do the other. Money is fungible.

But the root source of your outrage is the abortion itself, not the tissue. If you believe abortion is murder, then that in itself is enough reason for outrage. The reason for the sting operation that resulted in the video where tissue sales get discussed is also to stop abortions, not tissue donation.

Are you willing to allow privately funded abortions or do they offend your morals as well? If you could would you outlaw abortions? What exactly is your position on abortions? Your OP says you have made it clear, perhaps you have in the past but you are being very obtuse about it in this thread.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[rushmc 23]

Look, I'm not going to go into my whole spiel about my views on abortion. I have a very long post in this site made to Wendy about my views. Again, all I want now, is public money taken out of the abortion business. Just for context, Planned Parenthood does 80 percent of the abortions in the United States. That 80%, is 3% of their total business. So taking away public funding from them should not hamper or hurt them in any way. As for privately funded, I am less inclined to be involved in first trimester decisions. After that it gets a little more diecy for me. Even many European countries do not allow 3rd trimester abortions without a government panel giving them permission. And no, I do not want to get the government any more involved than it is now here. If I could have my. druthers, I would for the most part make abortions almost impossible. I think it is a bad thing for society to allow, & I think it drags us to places we should not go. In reality, I know that'll never be the case. And it's something I'll have to accept

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[gowlerk 2,275]

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I think it is a bad thing for society to allow, & I think it drags us to places we should not go.

That's a more nuanced position than most people have. It roughly describes how I feel about the death penalty. I don't feel sorry for the few criminals who get executed, but I do feel it's a place we don't need to go. So I feel sorry for us for going there. And for those who end up having top do the actual work of killing people.

Your logic about public funding is a little fuzzy though. Abortions are not funded, but many of their other services are. If they lost all public funding for all services it would hurt many of the people who rely on them, not just those who choose abortion.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.