"This is how easy it is to buy guns in America"

[Hooknswoop 19]

The only thing I can see they got wrong was if the seller at a gun show is a FFL dealer, then they must still perform a NICS background check for any firearm sold. Private sellers do not have to do a NICS background check.

I don't see how a) Requiring NICS background checks for private sales is enforceable, or b) if the aw is having any impact on keeping firearms out of criminal hands.

Last year, Colorado passed a few new gun laws. One of them was that every firearm sell must have a NICS background check done on the buyer, House Bill 13-1229. As of March, 2014, "three people have been convicted for failing to obey the new background check laws since a bill to expand the requirements went into effect in July 2013."

"Statewide, law-enforcement officials in numerous counties have vowed to refrain from enforcing the laws.

Smith said the private transfer of firearms had never been a concern of local law enforcement, and without required registration of firearms, deputies have no way of knowing whether someone sidestepped the background check requirement to obtain a firearm."

http://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2015/03/28/enforcement-light-colo-gun-restrictions/70616030/

"This is how easy it is to buy guns in America"

http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/19/news/guns-background-checks/index.html

"A background check is conducted only in store purchases. There, gun buyers have to fill out a form from the ATF, or the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
Required information includes: name, address, place of birth, race and citizenship. A social security number is only "optional," though it's recommended. The form also asks questions such as:
*Have you ever been convicted of a felony?
*Have you ever been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence?
*Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any other depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?
*Are you a fugitive from justice?
*Have you ever been committed to a mental institution?
The store then calls the FBI, which runs a background check on the person through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, also known as NICS. The background check can just take minutes.
NICS scans federal databases like the National Crime Information Center and Interstate Identification Index for information. If a purchaser has been convicted of a felony, or misdemeanors with sentences exceeding two years, or has been declared "mentally defective" by a court, then he or she won't pass the background check.
However, denials are rare, occurring less than 1% of the time. "More than 100 million such checks have been made in the last decade, leading to more than 700,000 denials," the FBI says on its web site.
Related: Background checks take minutes
But gun buyers don't have to go through a background check when they make a purchase at a gun show.
Most Americans live somewhere near a gun show. The web site www.gunshows-usa.com lists 29 gun shows scheduled for this coming Father's Day weekend, from Las Vegas and Philadelphia to Hickory, N.C. and Salmon, Idaho.
You won't find them in cities like New York, Chicago and Washington, D.C., where gun laws are far more restrictive.
Senator Dianne Feinstein, a Democrat from California, and President Obama tried to eliminate the gun show loophole in 2013, with a bill that would have expanded background checks. But Congress didn't pass it.
The President's effort came after the killing of 26 children and teachers at Sandy Hook Elementary school in Connecticut.
After this week's gun violence at a church in Charleston, South Carolina, where a white man killed nine African Americans in a racially motivated attack, Obama hinted that he might try again.
Related: Gun violence costs taxpayers $500 million
"At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this kind of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries," he said, in a speech. "It is in our power to do something about it."
The killer, Dylann Roof, bought his .45-caliber Glock at a gun store in Charleston, where he would have been required to pass a background check. Though he had been arrested earlier this year for trespassing and drug possession, he apparently met the legal criteria.
Roof also displayed racist symbols on Facebook (FB, Tech30), but the FBI said that kind of information would not come up in a background check, since the database includes information on prohibited persons as defined in the Gun Control Act."

Derek V

[Anvilbrother 0]

Let's see a list of the last 10 mass murders, and see where they got their guns. I bet almost all of them used in the murders was a family members, or bought legally for themselves through the background check system.

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[normiss 897]

The recent one was a b day gift for a nutter.
Dad should be in an cell.

I prefer to make a gun transaction with the help of law enforcement if not from a licensed dealer.

[turtlespeed 226]

normiss

The recent one was a b day gift for a nutter.
Dad should be in an cell.

I prefer to make a gun transaction with the help of law enforcement if not from a licensed dealer.

Are 100% sure about that?

Are you sure it wasn't bought with money given to him for a special occasion?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[Anvilbrother 0]

What was the weapon of choice, how old was the attacker, and what is the legal age to own and possess that weapon?

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[ryoder 1,590]

turtlespeed

***The recent one was a b day gift for a nutter.
Dad should be in an cell.

I prefer to make a gun transaction with the help of law enforcement if not from a licensed dealer.

Are 100% sure about that?

Are you sure it wasn't bought with money given to him for a special occasion?

His uncle says it was received from his father: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/18/charleston-shooting-gun-birthday_n_7614162.html

ETA And this article says he was given money: http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/charleston-church-shooting-main/index.html

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[normiss 897]

You're OK with insane nutters legally buying weapons?

[Anvilbrother 0]

Where did I say that? I was wondering if he was underage, someone said he got it as a gift.

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[normiss 897]

Sorry. I read it as a straight legal purchase quip.

It seems like most breaking stories with limited accuracy at this point.

[Anvilbrother 0]

No prob. As young as his picture looked I figured he was under 21 and his dad or uncle got him pistol which would have been illegal for him to possess or carry in my state.

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[normiss 897]

That's silly. Old enough to fight a war but not legally own within the country you're defending.

[RMK 3]

normiss

That's silly. Old enough to fight a war but not legally own within the country you're defending.

Yes, quite a fucked system. Can buy an 18yr old a .45 semi auto, but not a cold beer.

"Pain is the best instructor, but no one wants to attend his classes"

[turtlespeed 226]

RMK

***That's silly. Old enough to fight a war but not legally own within the country you're defending.

Yes, quite a fucked system. Can buy an 18yr old a .45 semi auto, but not a cold beer.

Texas, it is legal to have your parents buy you drinks, if you are with them.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Anvilbrother

No prob. As young as his picture looked I figured he was under 21 and his dad or uncle got him pistol which would have been illegal for him to possess or carry in my state.

You sure about that?

Here in WI, under 21 is unable to purchase through a FFL, purchase ammuntion, or obtain a carry permit.

But possession (pistol or ammo) is perfectly legal. To include open carry. And private party purchases are legal too.

Louisiana seems to be the same:

http://smartgunlaws.org/minimum-age-to-purchase-or-possess-firearms-in-louisiana/

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[Anvilbrother 0]

No joke! I stand corrected. When I was under 21 the big joke about turning 21 was you could finally buy alcohol, pistols, and your insurance got cheaper. Guess they changed the law. Thanks.

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[RMK 3]

Anvilbrother

No joke! I stand corrected. When I was under 21 the big joke about turning 21 was you could finally buy alcohol, pistols, and your insurance got cheaper. Guess they changed the law. Thanks.

Living in the US in the 80's when the state moved the drinking age from 18 to 19 then 21 over a few years, I was legal drinking age (twice). Was odd to be able to go to bars and purchase alcohol for a near a year, then be underage again. Had one friend who was legal drinking age for just one day.

Was always curious why a 20yr old having a beer or (God forbid) seeing a bare breast in the media/advertising would harm society.

"Pain is the best instructor, but no one wants to attend his classes"

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

RMK

***No joke! I stand corrected. When I was under 21 the big joke about turning 21 was you could finally buy alcohol, pistols, and your insurance got cheaper. Guess they changed the law. Thanks.

Living in the US in the 80's when the state moved the drinking age from 18 to 19 then 21 over a few years, I was legal drinking age (twice). Was odd to be able to go to bars and purchase alcohol for a near a year, then be underage again. Had one friend who was legal drinking age for just one day.

Was always curious why a 20yr old having a beer or (God forbid) seeing a bare breast in the media/advertising would harm society.

Really? I was "grandfathered" in. When they passed the laws around here, anyone who was legal age (18) continued to be legal. There was simply a "cutoff date" after which the new age limit would apply (born after a certain date). The people who were really pissed were the ones who missed the cutoff date by a couple days.

And the one of the biggest arguments was the "bloody border" situation. For example, Wisconsin was 18 and Illinois was 21. So all the 18 year olds would drive up to Wisconsin, get drunk and kill themselves (and others) driving home.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[Amazon 7]

wolfriverjoe

******No joke! I stand corrected. When I was under 21 the big joke about turning 21 was you could finally buy alcohol, pistols, and your insurance got cheaper. Guess they changed the law. Thanks.

Living in the US in the 80's when the state moved the drinking age from 18 to 19 then 21 over a few years, I was legal drinking age (twice). Was odd to be able to go to bars and purchase alcohol for a near a year, then be underage again. Had one friend who was legal drinking age for just one day.

Was always curious why a 20yr old having a beer or (God forbid) seeing a bare breast in the media/advertising would harm society.

Really? I was "grandfathered" in. When they passed the laws around here, anyone who was legal age (18) continued to be legal. There was simply a "cutoff date" after which the new age limit would apply (born after a certain date). The people who were really pissed were the ones who missed the cutoff date by a couple days.

And the one of the biggest arguments was the "bloody border" situation. For example, Wisconsin was 18 and Illinois was 21. So all the 18 year olds would drive up to Wisconsin, get drunk and kill themselves (and others) driving home.


That was just payback for all the people from Wisconsin who used to drive to the IL border to buy Oleo.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Anvilbrother

Let's see a list of the last 10 mass murders, and see where they got their guns. I bet almost all of them used in the murders was a family members, or bought legally for themselves through the background check system.

But the easy availability of guns has no impact on violence right?

[Hooknswoop 19]

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But the easy availability of guns has no impact on violence right?

I haven't seen anyone pitch an idea for a law that would make a positive difference. The Magazine limit and private sales background check laws here in Colorado are un-enforcable and have had zero positive impact. Magpie left the state, taking their tax revenue and jobs with them.

Derek V

[turtlespeed 226]

SkyDekker

***Let's see a list of the last 10 mass murders, and see where they got their guns. I bet almost all of them used in the murders was a family members, or bought legally for themselves through the background check system.

But the easy availability of guns has no impact on violence right?

Society is the impact on violence.

Does the easy availability of nail guns make home building rise?

Does the over production of scalpels increase the number of surgery so done?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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I haven't seen anyone pitch an idea for a law that would make a positive difference.

Depends on how long you are willing to wait for this positive difference.

Unfortunately your founding fathers set the stage for a society which has gotten more violent as time goes on. Any attempt at making a difference would take at least a generation to manifest.

The other question is, where does doing nothing take you?

[kallend 2,148]

Hooknswoop

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But the easy availability of guns has no impact on violence right?

I haven't seen anyone pitch an idea for a law that would make a positive difference. The Magazine limit and private sales background check laws here in Colorado are un-enforcable and have had zero positive impact. Magpie left the state, taking their tax revenue and jobs with them.

Derek V

Don't need new laws. Need better, effective, and uniform enforcement of restrictions that already exist.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Hooknswoop 19]

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The other question is, where does doing nothing take you?

I'm OK with where we are at now. I'm OK with less fatalities as long as the new law(s) don't infringe on my right(s). My understanding is that the data shows that violence is decreasing.

A few mass shootings a year? Small price compared to the price we willingly pay for private ownership and lax laws for vehicles every year.

Derek V

[Hooknswoop 19]

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Don't need new laws. Need better, effective, and uniform enforcement of restrictions that already exist.

I'm OK with that as well.

The magazine limit and private background check laws should be repealed though. Un-enforcable and no impact.

Derek V