AGW +2C? +6C? It has happened before.

[kallend 2,150]

rushmc

***>Now I know why you really like Tesla

And we all know why you really like coal.

Coal and oil can survive without tax breaks


So why do they contribute so much to politicians in order to keep their tax breaks?

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,150]

rushmc

So, in your mind, when is the ,they are paying enough, level reached?

Since corporations wish to be treated as "persons" for the purposes of the 1st Amendment, they should be treated as persons for tax purposes too. That would put them at 39.6%

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[lawrocket 3]

kallend

******>Now I know why you really like Tesla

And we all know why you really like coal.

Coal and oil can survive without tax breaks


So why do they contribute so much to politicians in order to keep their tax breaks?

Because politicians have their hands out.

Here's a suggestion: limit the power of politicians. There is a reason why they'll spend millions of their own money to campaign for a job that pays them far less. Selfless public service ain't the answer.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[brenthutch 444]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2013/12/05/energy-subsidies-are-going-to-junk-investments-and-failing-companies/

[turtlespeed 226]

DanG

So no comment on the fact that most loans were successful? (Note lack of adverb)

Let's ask China what they think about our loans.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[brenthutch 444]

DanG

So no comment on the fact that most loans were successful? (Note lack of adverb)

Ok you got me. Hundreds of millions in loan guarantees to that plucky little startup, Ford Motor company, to help them retool and make that eco box F150, is a great example of a good green loan.

[normiss 898]

It was significantly more than "hundreds of millions", yet not near the amount donated to Chevrolet.

[rushmc 23]

normiss

It was significantly more than "hundreds of millions", yet not near the amount donated to the unions who worked at Chevrolet.

FIFY

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 898]

Then you're not current on what shareholders have and are doing.
Look, my surprise face:

[rushmc 23]

normiss

Then you're not current on what shareholders have and are doing.
Look, my surprise face:

I remember the court ruling
Do you?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 898]

When referring to multiple car manufacturers, "the court ruling" is quite the needle, wouldn't you agree?

[rushmc 23]

Nope

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Quote

"Overwhelming" is opinion. "Critical" is opinion.

It's like saying my wife is hotter than yours. It's opinion. Or that your wife has better judgment on picking a spouse. It's an opinion. I agree, but opinion.

No it isn't. If I define overwhelming as anything over 95% succes rate and it is clear what success is, then overwhelming success isn't an opinion, it is fact.

[turtlespeed 226]

SkyDekker

Quote

"Overwhelming" is opinion. "Critical" is opinion.

It's like saying my wife is hotter than yours. It's opinion. Or that your wife has better judgment on picking a spouse. It's an opinion. I agree, but opinion.

No it isn't. If I define overwhelming as anything over 95% succes rate and it is clear what success is, then overwhelming success isn't an opinion, it is fact.

The problem is that there is no clear definitions, by default becomes opinion.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[SkyDekker 1,465]

In this case.....Jerry is talking in absolutes.

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

In this case.....Jerry is talking in absolutes.

I think only you think that......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Quote

I think

Its a start I guess.

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

Quote

I think

Its a start I guess.

You usually are guessing

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[lawrocket 3]

SkyDekker

In this case.....Jerry is talking in absolutes.

You are correct. A bit of opinion taints a fact. There is some absolute tk it.

There are absolutes. Facts are 100% objectively verifiable. We can look at facts versus opinions and even combinations of the two:
- the Maple Leafs of 2024-15 did not match the high expectations of the preseason
- the Maple Leafs proved to be a spectacularly bad team
- the Maple Leafs failed to make the playoffs for 2015
- the Maple Leafs are the worst managed franchise in the NHL
- with a pedestrian 61 points and an abysmal -34 in 2014-15, Phil Kessel was an underwhelming failure

Facts are there. The opinions are seen in the statements when I say what I think about it. No matter how much people may agree that -34 is abysmal, it is still an opinion.

There are absolutes. Absolutes are facts. Measurable and verifiable. Heck, the Raiders have Carr as a QB. Depending on even the stats, he either had one of the best rookie seasons for a QB in the past 20 years or one of the worst.

Me? Let me see the stats and I'll make some conclusions myself. Don't tell me something g was an overwhelming success. Show me the data and let me decide.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[billvon 3,120]

>Coal and oil can survive without tax breaks
>Tesla and wind can not

Tesla would certainly survive. Wind would decline but continue to grow.

[brenthutch 444]

billvon

Wind would decline but continue to grow.

[brenthutch 444]

brenthutch

***Wind would decline but continue to grow.

Oh, and Tesla will be bankrupt within five years.

[billvon 3,120]

April 9, Brenthutch: "Chevy halts production of the Volt . . . . Car of the Year, my ass."

May 29th, Cleantechnica: "2016 Chevy Volt Ordering In California Has Begun!"

June 16, Brenthutch: "Oh, and Tesla will be bankrupt within five years."

[brenthutch 444]

billvon

April 9, Brenthutch: "Chevy halts production of the Volt . . . . Car of the Year, my ass."

May 29th, Cleantechnica: "2016 Chevy Volt Ordering In California Has Begun!"

June 16, Brenthutch: "Oh, and Tesla will be bankrupt within five years."

From greencarreports.com "We don't have confirmed numbers on what today's Volt costs to build, but Akerson himself admitted last May that GM loses money on each one."

Only a lefty would define that as success.

[billvon 3,120]

>Only a lefty would define that as success.

Uh . . . . OK. I guess you don't think the Falcon 9 is a success, either. (Or the Apollo program, or the X-15, or Arpanet.)

(Think crow will taste any better in five years?)