How are we gonna beat ISIS?

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jgoose71

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Can you tell me why the fringe right has glommed onto RT DOT COM... the modern incarnation of PRAVDA as THE place to go for news.... Its the mouthpiece of what used to be the COMMUNIST PARTY.... are you a commie there sport????

It is Hate America...all day everyday and has been since it was created. Do you HATE America that much????

At some point and time just about anyone can have an accurate assessment or valid point. Believe it or not, I think even Rachel Maddow says something worth while.... sometimes.

And you know what? Sometimes I think you have valid points from time to time, although, sometimes they are hard to find between all the vitriol and conspiracy theories..... kind of like Glenn Beck or Alex Jones. He does Infowars, right?

I am not Sorry..... but its the only way I can get some of the turd suckers to pay attention.


It is not a conspiracy theory when facts are available out there on reliable news outlets.... NOT Lush Rimjob or FAUX.....
OR PRAVDA Lite or Al Jizz Leera

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stayhigh

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as much as a your regular Christian is not responsible of those who bomb abortion clinics.

dude, that's solid argument right there.

I'm pretty sure she's not a dude.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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jgoose71

I think Obama has taken the absolutely wrong stance on ISIS. The first thing he should have done is say:

"This is a Muslim problem. The muslims have to take back their religion from the extremists."

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Just my $.02.

EVERY president since 1948 should have stayed out of the Middle East. Western meddling has done zero of value there.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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kallend

***I think Obama has taken the absolutely wrong stance on ISIS. The first thing he should have done is say:

"This is a Muslim problem. The muslims have to take back their religion from the extremists."

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Just my $.02.

EVERY president since 1948 should have stayed out of the Middle East. Western meddling has done zero of value there.

Pfffffft.....Woulda, Shoulda, Coulda....

Globalization started to fuck us back in the 70's when wages flat-lined and women had to join the work force just so we could sustain our way of life even tho production/profits continued to rise....

In the 90's we all had to live off equity/credit to keep the dream alive....even tho production/profits continued to rise...

In the late 2000's it all went to shit and we had nowhere to turn...even tho production/profits continued to rise...

The US economy at that point should've fixed itself, but that won't happen since American businesses that affect the American economy are not subject to American law....

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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Actually, women had been joining the workforce before then. For one thing, not every woman wants to be a full time housekeeper and mommy. Worthy though being a parent is (and it is), some people aren't cut out to do it full time. Believe it or not, some of those people are women.

Being assigned a role is stultifying.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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I like you a lot, but sometimes you just annoy me...

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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How ??

By treating the "radicals", radically !!!

Notify the area that in 72 hours... we WILL detonate a nuclear explosion in that part of the world...
Then,,,DO It, as a real-life demonstration of the horror and wide spread destruction of such arms,,, and to show, that "What Iran Wants", is far more devastating, than even THEY can imagine....Give the citizenry 3 days to evacuate and then figure out Where the greatest concentration of ISIS Zealots are located and target THAT area....
Too bad so Sad.. Now the area currently being fought over,,, will be a wasteland. No one will want it.. travel through it will be impossible, and those trying to "occupy " it will be foiled...
Owe it up to karma.... for THEM...Impress the zealots with what REAL power is... up close & and IN their back yard.... Make Each of the ISIS fighters martyrs....send them to "their reward"....Leave things for Iran to clean up and fix... Teach them the message that "this stuff is serious business"
Clear All of our manpower, equipment, bases, and personnel OUT, and do NOT return...

Harsh???? yes. Outrageous ? Maybe....
But taking the approach to Cut off the Heads of those with whom you disagree,, is no less vile and is ON a personal level...
Create a wasteland of their "homeland"...and leave it for them to brew upon..Keep the size of the detonation sensible, yet effective... and Notify Tehran... that the next one will mark the Center of that City....
Don't Do it.... and who Knows how worse things will get....?? ISIS is not only destroying the peace and geographic borders in that area, but also Ancient artifacts, architecture, museums and art.... They ARE waaay out of control and Take what they want......
Time to give them something,,,, they may NOT want..

Ok,,,, fire away.. I am ready for any sort of feedback..

jmy

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In order to save the village, you want to destroy it?

You would be killing thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of innocent people. You think ISIS will just let civilians leave? They will hold them hostage, then we have to decide if we want to commit a worse atrocity that ISIS could ever manage.

And after you've dropped a couple nukes, you think everyone over there is going to love America? Your plan is the best recruiting tool ISIS could ever hope for.

- Dan G

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DanG

In order to save the village, you want to destroy it?

You would be killing thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of innocent people. You think ISIS will just let civilians leave? They will hold them hostage, then we have to decide if we want to commit a worse atrocity that ISIS could ever manage.

And after you've dropped a couple nukes, you think everyone over there is going to love America? Your plan is the best recruiting tool ISIS could ever hope for.

+10

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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kallend

***I think Obama has taken the absolutely wrong stance on ISIS. The first thing he should have done is say:

"This is a Muslim problem. The muslims have to take back their religion from the extremists."

....

Just my $.02.

EVERY president since 1948 should have stayed out of the Middle East. Western meddling has done zero of value there.

I think you need to take that all the way back to 1917 and the Balfour Declaration, and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and not just American Presidents. The hubris of the western democracies in stepping into the quagmire of the tribal as well as religious divisions of that part of the world is pointless. They have been doing a great job of decimating themselves for over a millennia.

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kallend

***I think Obama has taken the absolutely wrong stance on ISIS. The first thing he should have done is say:

"This is a Muslim problem. The muslims have to take back their religion from the extremists."

....

Just my $.02.

EVERY president since 1948 should have stayed out of the Middle East. Western meddling has done zero of value there.

I wouldn't go that far, though your broad point is valid and well taken. But morality aside, it gave the US decades of cheap oil, and that was of no small economic effect. Pro and con, but plenty of pro. Oh, and Camaros and cheap jump tickets.

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DanG

In order to save the village, you want to destroy it?

You would be killing thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of innocent people. You think ISIS will just let civilians leave? They will hold them hostage, then we have to decide if we want to commit a worse atrocity that ISIS could ever manage.

And after you've dropped a couple nukes, you think everyone over there is going to love America? Your plan is the best recruiting tool ISIS could ever hope for.

+ ecological catastrophe.

'Can a man still be brave if he's afraid?'
'That is the only time a man can be brave.'
George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones

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jgoose71

I think Obama has taken the absolutely wrong stance on ISIS. The first thing he should have done is say:

"This is a Muslim problem. The muslims have to take back their religion from the extremists."

By trying to take this line of ISIS members are not really muslims he has given the Imams a way out where they don't have to do shit. The Imams, especially the Sunni Imams in Saudi Arabia since they are at the Mecca of their cult, need to take a hard line on this. Especially since a lot of the money that started these guys up came from Saudi Arabia.

Isis pretty much finds them selves now, but the Saudi Imams are still considered the heart of Sunni Muslims. Until you are able to successfully put pressure on them to change, change will not happen. Just my $.02.

Obama's stance is wrong? Every president since 1948 has taken the wrong stance. Should have left the Middle East to sort out its own problems.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[stayhigh 2]

Obama's stance is direct result of Vietnam.

Don't start a fight if you can't finish.

Bernie Sanders for President 2016

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kallend

***I think Obama has taken the absolutely wrong stance on ISIS. The first thing he should have done is say:

"This is a Muslim problem. The muslims have to take back their religion from the extremists."

By trying to take this line of ISIS members are not really muslims he has given the Imams a way out where they don't have to do shit. The Imams, especially the Sunni Imams in Saudi Arabia since they are at the Mecca of their cult, need to take a hard line on this. Especially since a lot of the money that started these guys up came from Saudi Arabia.

Isis pretty much finds them selves now, but the Saudi Imams are still considered the heart of Sunni Muslims. Until you are able to successfully put pressure on them to change, change will not happen. Just my $.02.

Obama's stance is wrong? Every president since 1948 has taken the wrong stance. Should have left the Middle East to sort out its own problems.

Maybe it is just an extremely wide stance.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjj2n1fHXQs

fuckin comedy.

navy seal critiques isis training video

Bernie Sanders for President 2016

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turtlespeed

******I think Obama has taken the absolutely wrong stance on ISIS. The first thing he should have done is say:

"This is a Muslim problem. The muslims have to take back their religion from the extremists."

By trying to take this line of ISIS members are not really muslims he has given the Imams a way out where they don't have to do shit. The Imams, especially the Sunni Imams in Saudi Arabia since they are at the Mecca of their cult, need to take a hard line on this. Especially since a lot of the money that started these guys up came from Saudi Arabia.

Isis pretty much finds them selves now, but the Saudi Imams are still considered the heart of Sunni Muslims. Until you are able to successfully put pressure on them to change, change will not happen. Just my $.02.

Obama's stance is wrong? Every president since 1948 has taken the wrong stance. Should have left the Middle East to sort out its own problems.

Maybe it is just an extremely wide stance.


I am betting he is not one of those self loathing closet types with the wide stance like those who populate the ranks of the Family Values party.....

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kallend

***I think Obama has taken the absolutely wrong stance on ISIS. The first thing he should have done is say:

"This is a Muslim problem. The muslims have to take back their religion from the extremists."

....

Just my $.02.

EVERY president since 1948 should have stayed out of the Middle East. Western meddling has done zero of value there.


+1

"Here's a good specimen of my own wisdom. Something is so, except when it isn't so."

Charles Fort, commenting on the many contradictions of astronomy

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stayhigh

Obama's stance is direct result of Vietnam.

Don't start a fight if you can't finish.

The error is starting the fight in the first place.

"Here's a good specimen of my own wisdom. Something is so, except when it isn't so."

Charles Fort, commenting on the many contradictions of astronomy

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Croc

***Obama's stance is direct result of Vietnam.

Don't start a fight if you can't finish.

The error is starting the fight in the first place.


The problem is...... we did not start the fight... we jumped in trying to be the County Sheriff.... in a White Hat ( think about it for a bit... ) who jumps into the middle of all that bullshit with all his deputies.

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We went to war with North Vietnam after the Johnson administration used as a pretext the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Years later, Robert McNamara admitted the alleged two incidents never occurred, and that the Vietnam War "was probably a mistake."

"Here's a good specimen of my own wisdom. Something is so, except when it isn't so."

Charles Fort, commenting on the many contradictions of astronomy

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Croc

We went to war with North Vietnam after the Johnson administration used as a pretext the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Years later, Robert McNamara admitted the alleged two incidents never occurred, and that the Vietnam War "was probably a mistake."

Yeah.. about that....... Do we see a trend here.....

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Croc

We went to war with North Vietnam after the Johnson administration used as a pretext the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Years later, Robert McNamara admitted the alleged two incidents never occurred, and that the Vietnam War "was probably a mistake."

Okay, the whole thing started when we turned our back on our allies against the Japanese in WWII. The Viet Minh had fought tenaciously, courageously and with honor, with assurances from the Roosevelt administration that they would have free elections and self-determination after cessation of hostilities.

Truman, who was a rabid anti-communist, tumbled to the fact that Ho, an ardent nationalist, had used an association with Moscow to his benefit prior to the outbreak of war. Truman then left the Japanese in place as 'administrators' until the French could return.

The Vietnamese Government that was in place when the French returned were thus those who collaborated with the Japanese during the war.

The French used the Foreign Legion to enforce their rule in Indochina, this group being made up of people who were very good at fighting and eager to shed their identities to avoid problems that arose while they were honing their combat skills.

So 'Give 'em hell Harry' was the one who screwed the Viet Minh coming and going, putting them under the thumbs of three groups who had been shooting at us in the very recent past - the Japanese, the French and the SS.

After Dien Bien Phu, the country was split along the DMZ, and the South became a CIA playground. Middle aged operatives got to play Walter Mitty, hanging out in Saigon with hot and cold running maid service, drinking at the Hotel Caravelle and generally having a great time while the wives and kiddies were back in Langley. Graham Greene never had it so good.

Jack Kennedy tried to use Special Forces to organize the corrupt South (these guys gave Quislings a bad name) to stave off takeover from the North, but Generals S. L. A. Marshall and James Gavin reported back that the only option was to cut our losses and pull out.

Kennedy was okay with losing troops until he won reelection, at which point his plan was to withdraw. Oswald kind of threw a wrench in the works, and LBJ was not in on the planning.

Johnson's primary concern was that he was not going to be the first president to lose a war, and he was swept up in the flow of events.

Marine Force Recon units were given to annoying the North, and would do such things as roaring into Haiphong Harbor at breakfast time, shooting up the place with M-2 fire before disappearing into the morning mist.

At one point, Vietnamese forces decided to give chase to the Force Recon guys; the craft they encountered when they came blasting out of the mist were not USMC go-fast boats but the Maddox (oh, fuck....), the crew of which was not in on the Marines' joke.

The fact that we wound up embroiled in the Southeast Asian War Games thereafter was a classic case of Hanlon's Razor.

It's debatable as to whether LBJ or W were more dunderheaded, but both qualified as world-class idiots.

In any event, ISIS can be defeated, but it won't be by brute force and ignorance (our primary skill set), and it certainly won't be by us.


BSBD,

Winsor

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To add to the soup: Ho Chi Minh was living in the United States in the fifties and traveled to Washington to meet with President Eisenhower to request aid to help get the French out of Vietnam. IKE told him that the US should help but couldn't, since he felt that without De Gaul's cooperation, NATO would never get off the ground. Ho Chi Minh then went to Moscow.

The point is, and I'll bet that we are all agreed, is that the United States should never have been in Vietnam; 60,000 Americans should never have died there; ten times that many Vietnamese, not one of whom ever threatened the United States, should not have been killed.

ISIS? How about we mind our own business for once!

"Here's a good specimen of my own wisdom. Something is so, except when it isn't so."

Charles Fort, commenting on the many contradictions of astronomy

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You forgot the part were the state department was allowed to block the military plan to decisively winning the war by blocking the Ho Chi Minh Trail in Laos for about a decade.

But generally agree with everyone. US intervention in the Middle East results in new problems which we feel inclined to fight. I don't understand why we need to be involved in their political climate. I buy gas from the gas station and don't feel the need to control who is working the register.