Science WILL Matter to so many DUMBASSES

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/ancient-antarctic-ice-shelf-nearing-complete-collapse/ar-BBjOrLb?ocid=iehp

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According to some estimates, if Antarctica’s ice sheet melts completely, it would raise sea levels by over 200 feet -- enough to flood the planet's land masses. Although this is not something that is likely to happen anytime soon, the latest observation is one of the many pointing toward a warming trend on the continent.

And you would have us do what based on 18 years of observation... Why can't you just put the information out there without calling people dumbasses? You might get a bit more traction without the schoolyard name calling.

Please don't dent the planet.

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airdvr

According to some estimates, if Antarctica’s ice sheet melts completely, it would raise sea levels by over 200 feet -- enough to flood the planet's land masses. Although this is not something that is likely to happen anytime soon, the latest observation is one of the many pointing toward a warming trend on the continent.

And you would have us do what based on 18 years of observation... Why can't you just put the information out there without calling people dumbasses? You might get a bit more traction without the schoolyard name calling.

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“What is really surprising about Larsen B is how quickly the changes are taking place,” Khazendar said in the statement. The fastest moving part of the Flask Glacier, one of the shelf’s tributary glaciers, had accelerated 36 percent between 2002 and 2012. “Change has been relentless,” he said.

I might consider a more tempered approach if just one Far Right Wingnut was to chide some of his fellow travelers here in SC for their incessant use of nonsensical terms like perhaps to Stop using liberal for anyone that is not a fascist wingnut goosestepping to their billionaire masters tune.

Nah.. never happen....

Sorry but science deniers ARE the quintessential dumbasses ....... a modern day implementation of moronic beliefs similar to those who burned the Library at Alexandria nearly 2000 years ago.. and also seen today in Iraq and Syria with more wingnuts with the same kind of mindset who are destroying world heritage sites... because their leader thinks that craven images are evil... not worthy of respect

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Here is some info you might need to read about glaciers.

Total number of glaciers in the world is about 160,000.

The worst case scenario is not the average, just like the best case scenario is not the average.

This what typically comes alarmists.

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turtlespeed

Here is some info you might need to read about glaciers.

Total number of glaciers in the world is about 160,000.

The worst case scenario is not the average, just like the best case scenario is not the average.

This what typically comes alarmists.

I have spent a lifetime EXPERIENCING Glaciers first hand.

Many of the ones here in Washington I remember navigating when I first came here in the early 70's are long gone.....

Many of the huge ones in Alaska and BC that used to be far down into valleys are now retreated far up their U shaped valleys to much higher elevations...

If you red state flatlanders got out a bit more..... you might actually observe with your own eyes.. but with your heads stuck in the sand or mud....... out of sight.. out of mind for yall.

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***According to some estimates, if Antarctica’s ice sheet melts completely, it would raise sea levels by over 200 feet -- enough to flood the planet's land masses. Although this is not something that is likely to happen anytime soon, the latest observation is one of the many pointing toward a warming trend on the continent.

And you would have us do what based on 18 years of observation... Why can't you just put the information out there without calling people dumbasses? You might get a bit more traction without the schoolyard name calling.

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“What is really surprising about Larsen B is how quickly the changes are taking place,” Khazendar said in the statement. The fastest moving part of the Flask Glacier, one of the shelf’s tributary glaciers, had accelerated 36 percent between 2002 and 2012. “Change has been relentless,” he said.

I might consider a more tempered approach if just one Far Right Wingnut was to chide some of his fellow travelers here in SC for their incessant use of nonsensical terms like perhaps to Stop using liberal for anyone that is not a fascist wingnut goosestepping to their billionaire masters tune.

Nah.. never happen....

Sorry but science deniers ARE the quintessential dumbasses ....... a modern day implementation of moronic beliefs similar to those who burned the Library at Alexandria nearly 2000 years ago.. and also seen today in Iraq and Syria with more wingnuts with the same kind of mindset who are destroying world heritage sites... because their leader thinks that craven images are evil... not worthy of respect

As a science expert, I am sure I do not have to tell you the difference between shelf ice and sheet ice and the effects of each on sea level. And as a sciency scientist who scientifically sciences science and sciences the antiscience antiscientists, I am sure that you can understand that there is no direct connection between the breakup of shelf ice and sea level.

I shake my head at how little science itself matters to those who espouse it the most. The science isn't what you think it is.

If the Antarctic Ice sheet melts completely? Yeah. When the average temperature of Antarctica picks up by 30 degrees then we can wait another few thousand years for it to all melt. How about focusing on more immediate issues? Things that will happen well before Antarctica becomes a tropical paradise. Like Crater Lake being emptied by a volcanic eruption. Or Rainier melting all the ice on it before anthropogenic CO2 gets a chance.

Try pulling some actual science and reason into this. Here's an if: if a mile wide asteroid hit the earth before 4000 AD it may lead to a mass extinction.

Guess which is more likely to happen. An asteroid hitting us or the Antarctic ice sheet melting? If you said "asteroid" then you are correct.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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***Here is some info you might need to read about glaciers.

Total number of glaciers in the world is about 160,000.

The worst case scenario is not the average, just like the best case scenario is not the average.

This what typically comes alarmists.

I have spent a lifetime EXPERIENCING Glaciers first hand.

Many of the ones here in Washington I remember navigating when I first came here in the early 70's are long gone.....

Many of the huge ones in Alaska and BC that used to be far down into valleys are now retreated far up their U shaped valleys to much higher elevations...

If you red state flatlanders got out a bit more..... you might actually observe with your own eyes.. but with your heads stuck in the sand or mud....... out of sight.. out of mind for yall.

It's alarming, but even if it weren't, what in hell is wrong with reducing greenhouse gas emissions, improving biodiversity and reversing deforestation? It makes no sense that these issues should not be addressed, irrespective of whether they (human actions) are responsible for global heating, which I firmly believe they directly are, junk science be damned.

mh
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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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Many of the ones here in Washington I remember navigating when I first came here in the early 70's are long gone

And if you asked people in the 1930s, they would tell you about how many of the glaciers they remembers back in the 1870s were gone.

Show me the glaciers and the temperature records for the last 150 years. You will no doubt be surprised at them.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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lawrocket

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Many of the ones here in Washington I remember navigating when I first came here in the early 70's are long gone

And if you asked people in the 1930s, they would tell you about how many of the glaciers they remembers back in the 1870s were gone.

Show me the glaciers and the temperature records for the last 150 years. You will no doubt be surprised at them.

Pictures from the Alps do not lie.... Pictures from North American mountains of glaciers do not lie....

Pictures from every continent.. of then and now show a huge retreat of glaciers worldwide show the changes.. but your degree in Climate Law seems to indicate otherwise....

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Glacial+Retreat+Before+and+After&FORM=RESTAB

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I thought Amazon was gone..... Till I saw the thread title.....

Odd she's back.

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

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mirage62

I thought Amazon was gone..... Till I saw the thread title.....

Odd she's back.

That bugs the fuck out of you doesn't it... Too fuckin bad

Get over it

[Anvilbrother 0]

Hang around a few days she will get banned or take a much needed "self ban" as she said herself again.

Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

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Anvilbrother

Hang around a few days she will get banned or take a much needed "self ban" as she said herself again.

Don't bet on it

[lawrocket 3]

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Many of the ones here in Washington I remember navigating when I first came here in the early 70's are long gone

And if you asked people in the 1930s, they would tell you about how many of the glaciers they remembers back in the 1870s were gone.

Show me the glaciers and the temperature records for the last 150 years. You will no doubt be surprised at them.

Pictures from the Alps do not lie.... Pictures from North American mountains of glaciers do not lie....

Pictures from every continent.. of then and now show a huge retreat of glaciers worldwide show the changes.. but your degree in Climate Law seems to indicate otherwise....

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Glacial+Retreat+Before+and+After&FORM=RESTAB


Glaciers have been retreating for 10k years. That is no lie.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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lawrocket

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Many of the ones here in Washington I remember navigating when I first came here in the early 70's are long gone

And if you asked people in the 1930s, they would tell you about how many of the glaciers they remembers back in the 1870s were gone.

Show me the glaciers and the temperature records for the last 150 years. You will no doubt be surprised at them.

Pictures from the Alps do not lie.... Pictures from North American mountains of glaciers do not lie....

Pictures from every continent.. of then and now show a huge retreat of glaciers worldwide show the changes.. but your degree in Climate Law seems to indicate otherwise....

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Glacial+Retreat+Before+and+After&FORM=RESTAB


Glaciers have been retreating for 10k years. That is no lie.


Actually you are wrong... in that timeframe there have been several periods where they advanced like from the 1550's into the mid 1800's . It was called the little Ice Age. The last glacial maximum was about 22000 years ago in North America.

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As a science expert, I am sure I do not have to tell you the difference between shelf ice and sheet ice and the effects of each on sea level. And as a sciency scientist who scientifically sciences science and sciences the antiscience antiscientists, I am sure that you can understand that there is no direct connection between the breakup of shelf ice and sea level.

I shake my head at how little science itself matters to those who espouse it the most. The science isn't what you think it is.

If the Antarctic Ice sheet melts completely? Yeah. When the average temperature of Antarctica picks up by 30 degrees then we can wait another few thousand years for it to all melt. How about focusing on more immediate issues? Things that will happen well before Antarctica becomes a tropical paradise. Like Crater Lake being emptied by a volcanic eruption. Or Rainier melting all the ice on it before anthropogenic CO2 gets a chance.

Try pulling some actual science and reason into this. Here's an if: if a mile wide asteroid hit the earth before 4000 AD it may lead to a mass extinction.

Guess which is more likely to happen. An asteroid hitting us or the Antarctic ice sheet melting? If you said "asteroid" then you are correct.

Well played, Sir... well played.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

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Many of the ones here in Washington I remember navigating when I first came here in the early 70's are long gone

And if you asked people in the 1930s, they would tell you about how many of the glaciers they remembers back in the 1870s were gone.

Show me the glaciers and the temperature records for the last 150 years. You will no doubt be surprised at them.

Pictures from the Alps do not lie.... Pictures from North American mountains of glaciers do not lie....

Pictures from every continent.. of then and now show a huge retreat of glaciers worldwide show the changes.. but your degree in Climate Law seems to indicate otherwise....

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Glacial+Retreat+Before+and+After&FORM=RESTAB


Glaciers have been retreating for 10k years. That is no lie.


Actually you are wrong... in that timeframe there have been several periods where they advanced like from the 1550's into the mid 1800's . It was called the little Ice Age. The last glacial maximum was about 22000 years ago in North America.

Wow. So now the Little Ice Age, which ended 150 years ago, had more gladiators that the big Ice Age that ended 10k years ago. I see.

I'm also struck by your argument that I am wrong. Because glaciation has been decreasing since it ended. And when I say there was less ice a century ago than 150 years ago you seem shocked at the audacity of the claim.

This is when the effort tk make a point disproved it. As an aside, take a look at HCN data. Like I said. Find a station near your favorite glacier and see how the temperature data compares since your childhood tk now. See if there is a difference in the trend.

You might not like what it shows because it won't show what you think it does. Or, you might breathe a sigh of relief that the scientists actually have some measurements that can reassure you that what you are seeing was happening well before your childhood. As an aside, it's generally agreed that the human effects of CO2 weren't seen until the 1950s at the earliest.

I don't think you will be relieved. I think that like many others you are praying for a cataclysm just so you can tell people you were right.

It's a "kids these days" argument. The last generation was always better.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Whats your next ice story? You gonna tell us about how you and crossed the Bering land bridge thousands of years ago, and then bitch that its melted now because of humans?

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Anvilbrother

Whats your next ice story? You gonna tell us about how you and crossed the Bering land bridge thousands of years ago, and then bitch that its melted now because of humans?

SUVs destroyed the Laurentian Ice Sheet. Had it not been for those SUVS we would have to worry about Massachusetts.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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markharju

It's alarming, but even if it weren't, what in hell is wrong with reducing greenhouse gas emissions, improving biodiversity and reversing deforestation? It makes no sense that these issues should not be addressed, irrespective of whether they (human actions) are responsible for global heating, which I firmly believe they directly are, junk science be damned.

mh
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My sentiments exactly. I don't see why we can't all be proponents of better care of the world we live in -- no matter what our political motivations may be.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

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masterblaster72

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It's alarming, but even if it weren't, what in hell is wrong with reducing greenhouse gas emissions, improving biodiversity and reversing deforestation? It makes no sense that these issues should not be addressed, irrespective of whether they (human actions) are responsible for global heating, which I firmly believe they directly are, junk science be damned.

mh
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My sentiments exactly. I don't see why we can't all be proponents of better care of the world we live in -- no matter what our political motivations may be.

This is a very fine philosophy. What reasonable person doesn't think we should do what we can for the sake of doing what we can? It's correct.

It's when the "in the name of protecting the earth you should all have your energy bills skyrocket" that we start thinking that there are issues. It's relatively easy for skydivers, who drop $500 on a weekend of trips up to altitude and drive an hour and a half each way to get there, while making bonfires and drinking carbonated beverages, to be able to afford an extra $300 per month for heating. It might mean canceling the road trip to Eloy, which would be infuriating.

Taking care of these things are comfortable things. The comfortable worry about this stuff. The rest of the people are dealing with part time jobs and straining to pay rent or mortgage and feed the kids.

Haiti is a fine example. It was deforested by people just trying to survive. Tell them to leave he trees alone and suffer even more.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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As a science expert, I am sure I do not have to tell you the difference between shelf ice and sheet ice and the effects of each on sea level. And as a sciency scientist who scientifically sciences science and sciences the antiscience antiscientists, I am sure that you can understand that there is no direct connection between the breakup of shelf ice and sea level.

I shake my head at how little science itself matters to those who espouse it the most. The science isn't what you think it is.

If the Antarctic Ice sheet melts completely? Yeah. When the average temperature of Antarctica picks up by 30 degrees then we can wait another few thousand years for it to all melt. How about focusing on more immediate issues? Things that will happen well before Antarctica becomes a tropical paradise. Like Crater Lake being emptied by a volcanic eruption. Or Rainier melting all the ice on it before anthropogenic CO2 gets a chance.

Try pulling some actual science and reason into this. Here's an if: if a mile wide asteroid hit the earth before 4000 AD it may lead to a mass extinction.

Guess which is more likely to happen. An asteroid hitting us or the Antarctic ice sheet melting? If you said "asteroid" then you are correct.

Well played, Sir... well played.

No... you have to actually READ the information in the article..... I know that is tough for some people.....


In 2002, two-thirds of the Larsen B Ice Shelf, located along the east coast of the Antarctic Peninsula, collapsed in a span of less than six weeks. According to a new NASA study, the remains of this ancient structure, which has existed for over 10,000 years, are likely to disintegrate completely before the end of the decade -- an event that would significantly contribute to global sea level rise.

“These are warning signs that the remnant is disintegrating,” Ala Khazendar from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, who led the study, said in a statement. “Although it’s fascinating scientifically to have a front-row seat to watch the ice shelf becoming unstable and breaking up, it’s bad news for our planet.”

Several recent studies have spotted an uptick in the melting of Antarctica’s floating ice shelves, which act as doorstops and hold back its glaciers and ice sheets from spreading outward into oceans. In some regions, the thickness of these shelves has fallen by as much as 18 percent over the past 18 years -- a process that has accelerated over the last decade.

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In 2002, two-thirds of the Larsen B Ice Shelf, located along the east coast of the Antarctic Peninsula, collapsed in a span of less than six weeks. According to a new NASA study, the remains of this ancient structure, which has existed for over 10,000 years, are likely to disintegrate completely before the end of the decade -- an event that would significantly contribute to global sea level rise.

“These are warning signs that the remnant is disintegrating,” Ala Khazendar from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, who led the study, said in a statement. “Although it’s fascinating scientifically to have a front-row seat to watch the ice shelf becoming unstable and breaking up, it’s bad news for our planet.”

Several recent studies have spotted an uptick in the melting of Antarctica’s floating ice shelves, which act as doorstops and hold back its glaciers and ice sheets from spreading outward into oceans. In some regions, the thickness of these shelves has fallen by as much as 18 percent over the past 18 years -- a process that has accelerated over the last decade.

I know. I posted a lengthy article from NASA on it.

This is discourse and debate.

He played a point well.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

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Anvilbrother

Whats your next ice story? You gonna tell us about how you and crossed the Bering land bridge thousands of years ago, and then bitch that its melted now because of humans?

Didn't they make a movie about your life???

[lawrocket 3]

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As a science expert, I am sure I do not have to tell you the difference between shelf ice and sheet ice and the effects of each on sea level. And as a sciency scientist who scientifically sciences science and sciences the antiscience antiscientists, I am sure that you can understand that there is no direct connection between the breakup of shelf ice and sea level.

I shake my head at how little science itself matters to those who espouse it the most. The science isn't what you think it is.

If the Antarctic Ice sheet melts completely? Yeah. When the average temperature of Antarctica picks up by 30 degrees then we can wait another few thousand years for it to all melt. How about focusing on more immediate issues? Things that will happen well before Antarctica becomes a tropical paradise. Like Crater Lake being emptied by a volcanic eruption. Or Rainier melting all the ice on it before anthropogenic CO2 gets a chance.

Try pulling some actual science and reason into this. Here's an if: if a mile wide asteroid hit the earth before 4000 AD it may lead to a mass extinction.

Guess which is more likely to happen. An asteroid hitting us or the Antarctic ice sheet melting? If you said "asteroid" then you are correct.

Well played, Sir... well played.

No... you have to actually READ the information in the article..... I know that is tough for some people.....


In 2002, two-thirds of the Larsen B Ice Shelf, located along the east coast of the Antarctic Peninsula, collapsed in a span of less than six weeks. According to a new NASA study, the remains of this ancient structure, which has existed for over 10,000 years, are likely to disintegrate completely before the end of the decade -- an event that would significantly contribute to global sea level rise.

“These are warning signs that the remnant is disintegrating,” Ala Khazendar from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, who led the study, said in a statement. “Although it’s fascinating scientifically to have a front-row seat to watch the ice shelf becoming unstable and breaking up, it’s bad news for our planet.”

Several recent studies have spotted an uptick in the melting of Antarctica’s floating ice shelves, which act as doorstops and hold back its glaciers and ice sheets from spreading outward into oceans. In some regions, the thickness of these shelves has fallen by as much as 18 percent over the past 18 years -- a process that has accelerated over the last decade.

I read the article. Another one of those pieces of rhetorical distorted slanted pieces that pushes a load of crap that preys on the ignorance of people who are too egotistical to know that they are ignorant. You know? The ones who think they are pro science because they agree with him the political interpretation of the reporter's interpretation of the scientist' press release about the science.

The article was about shelf ice. Then talked about the melting of sheet ice.

Shelf ice acts as a stopper for Glaciers. Meaning that they are part of a damned system that advances and retreats. Ice shelves break up. Then they regenerate. Then they break up. It happens. That is how it goes. How it works.

We've seen ice shelves break up before. We've seen Glaciers calve before. It's how it goes.

My wife is hotter than your wife.