"22 Inconvenient Truths About Global Warming"

[rushmc 23]

see my other post

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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It is not and has never been the governments role to make sure a product wanted by the people has a societal benefit.

Which is also not what he wrote.

Government plays a role in promoting products that do have a societal benefit and (what is the opposite of promoting?) making it harder for people to acquite prodects that have a detrimental impact on society.

Then some examples are listed.

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DanG

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But I will narrow down what Tesla exemplifies. When a company is advertising the government benefits one can get by buying a car, it is not interested in developing products that are beneficial to the consumer but instead is interested in creating products that provide favors to the governing elite.

I'm not sure I buy that argument. No company is in the business of developing products that are beneficial to the consumer. All companies (ones that wish to succeed at least) develop products that consumers will buy. Whether or not the product has any great societal benefit doesn't matter. The government's role (in a partially controlled economy) is to help make those products which do have a great societal benefit more attractive to the consumer. Hence the tax on cigarettes, and the incentives for buying a non-polluting car. You can argue (and I'll agree to a limited extent) that the government shouldn't be doing that. But it isn't just with "green" companies, or even "liberal" companies that this is happening. The largest subsidies go to farmers and traditional energy companies, not to mention big box stores like Walmart. Subsidies to companies like Tesla are a drop in the bucket. You can't complain about Tesla subsidies, while turning a blind eye to subsidies of oil, gas, and coal companies.

I don't turn a blind eye to it. The subsidies are ridiculous. Paying farmers to grow stuff (I've long argued that the number one subsidy on my list to eliminate would be corn) and paying farmers to NOT grow stuff.

The oil companies don't need subsidies. Subsidies are a way for central planning to tell people what they will get and for what price it will be. Instead of letting the people themselves decide.

It used to be that products were developed for people. Successful products were those that people wanted and were willing to pay for. Then as more wanted them, more people would supply them and the cost would go down.

It's not like that anymore. Now products are developed because the government will pay for it and can't lose. Have the right connections, get an earmark, and you're in fine shape.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[kallend 2,148]

DanG

I don't understand why you can't make the connection between that fact and the idea that we might be pushing the climate into one of those periods of rapid change.

Marc works for an energy company. His salary depends on not making the connection.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

kallend

*** I don't understand why you can't make the connection between that fact and the idea that we might be pushing the climate into one of those periods of rapid change.

Marc works for an energy company. His salary depends on not making the connection.

You lie well

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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rushmc

****** I don't understand why you can't make the connection between that fact and the idea that we might be pushing the climate into one of those periods of rapid change.

Marc works for an energy company. His salary depends on not making the connection.

You lie well

You obfuscate frequently and your desire to muddy the water with your incessant attempts to transfer the information you are fed is completely lost on those who are not so gullible.

[kallend 2,148]

rushmc

****** I don't understand why you can't make the connection between that fact and the idea that we might be pushing the climate into one of those periods of rapid change.

Marc works for an energy company. His salary depends on not making the connection.

You lie well

The company you work for admits to spewing tens of millions of tons of CO2 into the air every year.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

kallend

********* I don't understand why you can't make the connection between that fact and the idea that we might be pushing the climate into one of those periods of rapid change.

Marc works for an energy company. His salary depends on not making the connection.

You lie well

The company you work for admits to spewing tens of millions of tons of CO2 into the air every year.

So
I work to deliver power so you can open your plane hanger door
the only thing the AWG bs will do to me is cause me to pay higher electricity bills
Same for you

and you know this

Yet you continue to lie

Priceless

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,148]

rushmc

************ I don't understand why you can't make the connection between that fact and the idea that we might be pushing the climate into one of those periods of rapid change.

Marc works for an energy company. His salary depends on not making the connection.

You lie well

The company you work for admits to spewing tens of millions of tons of CO2 into the air every year.

So
I work to deliver power so you can open your plane hanger door
the only thing the AWG bs will do to me is cause me to pay higher electricity bills
Same for you

and you know this

Yet you continue to lie

Priceless

So you DO work for an energy company, and your salary DOES depend on your not understanding, notwithstanding all your weaseling.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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kallend

********* I don't understand why you can't make the connection between that fact and the idea that we might be pushing the climate into one of those periods of rapid change.

Marc works for an energy company. His salary depends on not making the connection.

You lie well

The company you work for admits to spewing tens of millions of tons of CO2 into the air every year.

So do cows, humans, mice, volcanos, airplanes that Al Gore flys in, airplanes that we jump out of,

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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the only thing the AWG bs will do to me is cause me to pay higher electricity bills

Not sure how a standard for wire gauges is going to up your electricity bills. But I am thinking that every time you type AWG you really mean AGW.

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SkyDekker

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the only thing the AWG bs will do to me is cause me to pay higher electricity bills

Not sure how a stanader for wire gauges is going to up your electricity bills. But I am thinking that every time you type AWG you really mean AGW.

I think the TLA is AWG in Esperanto.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

winsor

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the only thing the AWG bs will do to me is cause me to pay higher electricity bills

Not sure how a stanader for wire gauges is going to up your electricity bills. But I am thinking that every time you type AWG you really mean AGW.

I think the TLA is AWG in Esperanto.

Nah that TLA is ACS.

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SkyDekker

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the only thing the AWG bs will do to me is cause me to pay higher electricity bills

Not sure how a stanader for wire gauges is going to up your electricity bills. But I am thinking that every time you type AWG you really mean AGW.

I think the TLA is AWG in Esperanto.

Nah that TLA is ACS.

I'll buy that. My Esperanto is pretty weak.

[billvon 3,116]

>I work to deliver power so you can open your plane hanger door

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” - Upton Sinclair

>the only thing the AWG bs will do to me is cause me to pay higher electricity bills

I pay $5 a month for my power while generating no greenhouse gases from electricity use.

What do you pay?

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>I work to deliver power so you can open your plane hanger door

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” - Upton Sinclair

>the only thing the AWG bs will do to me is cause me to pay higher electricity bills

I pay $5 a month for my power while generating no greenhouse gases from electricity use.

What do you pay?

I understand perfectly
Neither you nor kallend do is seems......

Oh
And I pay what most do
I am sure kallend is in the same boat as me

but you bring up a good item

Higher electric bills will not affect you so fuck everyone else

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,116]

>And I pay what most do
Hey, if that's what you choose to do, I support your right to make that choice.

>Higher electric bills will not affect you so fuck everyone else
Coming from the "I have medical insurance already so fuck everyone else" crowd that's pretty funny!

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>And I pay what most do
Hey, if that's what you choose to do, I support your right to make that choice.

>Higher electric bills will not affect you so fuck everyone else
Coming from the "I have medical insurance already so fuck everyone else" crowd that's pretty funny!

You are imagining things again

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[champu 1]

billvon

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” - Upton Sinclair

You and kallend keep repeating this quote but I think you're both reading "depends on" as "might be related in any way to." Such an interpretation basically boils down to, "all conflicts of interest are absolute" which I don't think is true.

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http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/scientists-earth-endangered-by-new-strain-of-fact-resistant-humans

The research, conducted by the University of Minnesota, identifies a virulent strain of humans who are virtually immune to any form of verifiable knowledge, leaving scientists at a loss as to how to combat them.

“These humans appear to have all the faculties necessary to receive and process information,” Davis Logsdon, one of the scientists who contributed to the study, said. “And yet, somehow, they have developed defenses that, for all intents and purposes, have rendered those faculties totally inactive.”

More worryingly, Logsdon said, “As facts have multiplied, their defenses against those facts have only grown more powerful.”

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champu

***“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” - Upton Sinclair

You and kallend keep repeating this quote but I think you're both reading "depends on" as "might be related in any way to." Such an interpretation basically boils down to, "all conflicts of interest are absolute" which I don't think is true.


It's also a double edged sword. Think a climate modeler whose salary depends on finding disaster will find reason? Using that quote me, hill and kallend would find it to be acceptable impossible

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[billvon 3,116]

>Think a climate modeler whose salary depends on finding disaster will find reason?

Absolutely - since a Nobel prize awaits anyone who can "disprove" climate change.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>Think a climate modeler whose salary depends on finding disaster will find reason?

Absolutely - since a Nobel prize awaits anyone who can "disprove" climate change.

It has to be proven first

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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billvon

>Think a climate modeler whose salary depends on finding disaster will find reason?

Absolutely - since a Nobel prize awaits anyone who can "disprove" climate change.

That's prize money. Okay, Bill. Interesting point. What would be needed to disprove climate change? I believe the statement to be a fool's errand since the definitions of climate change are varied.


I'll put it this way. Disprove that there were weapon ms of mass destruction in Iraq when Dubya started the war. Then I point to AAA that was seen on video. Then I point to how Tsarnaev was just convicted of using using a WMD in Boston. Thus Saddle had WMDs and that's why we went there.

No way you could disprove it.

And I think Clima e change is real. But I think there is a distortion of the probable effects. It's the uncertain stuff we don't know about, like what are the actual effects going to be in 2100. The more awful they sound the more interest it generates.

A climate researcher who says it's not a big deal won't have an easy ti.e unless tenured. Picture a researcher as GISS who calls dramatic climate change effects into doubt.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[kallend 2,148]

lawrocket

******“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” - Upton Sinclair

You and kallend keep repeating this quote but I think you're both reading "depends on" as "might be related in any way to." Such an interpretation basically boils down to, "all conflicts of interest are absolute" which I don't think is true.


It's also a double edged sword. Think a climate modeler whose salary depends on finding disaster will find reason? Using that quote me, hill and kallend would find it to be acceptable impossible

Confirming the accepted wisdom gets no-one any rewards, grants, research contracts or prizes. Disproving the accepted wisdom gets you awards and a place in the history books.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.