billvon 3,120 #26 May 11, 2015 >Which pests should we get rid of? Look at small pox. Its elimination had an effect on >the biosphere. Yes, it changed us, since smallpox only affects humans. Mosquitoes, meanwhile, almost exclusively affect species other than humans, both as a vector for disease and as a food source. I am reminded of the introduction of rabbits to Australia. They will only have good effects for hunters. No one could imagine what bad could come of those cuddly, small, totally innocent, easy-to-shoot critters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #27 May 11, 2015 lawrocket*** Short sighted and arrogant. Arrogant, as if humans are the only important species on Earth. Short sighted, for discounting the chain reaction damage to the biosphere that would be wrought by eliminating an important food source for many species that prey on mosquitoes. Which pests should we get rid of? Look at small pox. Its elimination had an effect on the biosphere. We are busily trying to rid the world of diseases and the like I. The name of public health. I just don't know where the line is drawn. Why is it good to destroy soms species and bad to destroy others? Humans have been a continual source of species extinction..... and have accelerated that sad record in recent centuries.... eventually that is going to bite OUR species in the butt. http://www.npr.org/2014/02/12/275885377/in-the-worlds-sixth-extinction-are-humans-the-asteroid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #28 May 11, 2015 Andy9o8 Short sighted and arrogant. Arrogant, as if humans are the only important species on Earth. Short sighted, for discounting the chain reaction damage to the biosphere that would be wrought by eliminating an important food source for many species that prey on mosquitoes. So which species is the most important?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #29 May 11, 2015 billvonNo one could imagine what bad could come of those cuddly, small, totally innocent, easy-to-shoot critters. wabbits......the increase alone of falling anvils and ACME products has spurred the economy to new heights ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #30 May 11, 2015 rehmwa***No one could imagine what bad could come of those cuddly, small, totally innocent, easy-to-shoot critters. wabbits......the increase alone of falling anvils and ACME products has spurred the economy to new heights And the dust clouds . . . And look at all the hand held signs, that industry must be booming.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #31 May 11, 2015 turtlespeed*** Short sighted and arrogant. Arrogant, as if humans are the only important species on Earth. Short sighted, for discounting the chain reaction damage to the biosphere that would be wrought by eliminating an important food source for many species that prey on mosquitoes. So which species is the most important? I vote for moose and squirrel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #32 May 11, 2015 Andy9o8****** Short sighted and arrogant. Arrogant, as if humans are the only important species on Earth. Short sighted, for discounting the chain reaction damage to the biosphere that would be wrought by eliminating an important food source for many species that prey on mosquitoes. So which species is the most important? I vote for moose and squirrel. That's a rocky stance to take.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #33 May 11, 2015 turtlespeed*** Short sighted and arrogant. Arrogant, as if humans are the only important species on Earth. Short sighted, for discounting the chain reaction damage to the biosphere that would be wrought by eliminating an important food source for many species that prey on mosquitoes. So which species is the most important? Elk. Definitely elk.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #34 May 11, 2015 Stumpy****** Short sighted and arrogant. Arrogant, as if humans are the only important species on Earth. Short sighted, for discounting the chain reaction damage to the biosphere that would be wrought by eliminating an important food source for many species that prey on mosquitoes. So which species is the most important? Elk. Definitely elk. I like hunting elk...... nice big males.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #35 May 12, 2015 Amazon********* Short sighted and arrogant. Arrogant, as if humans are the only important species on Earth. Short sighted, for discounting the chain reaction damage to the biosphere that would be wrought by eliminating an important food source for many species that prey on mosquitoes. So which species is the most important? Elk. Definitely elk. I like hunting elk...... nice big males.... I'm sensing a pattern here.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #36 May 12, 2015 Amazon********* Short sighted and arrogant. Arrogant, as if humans are the only important species on Earth. Short sighted, for discounting the chain reaction damage to the biosphere that would be wrought by eliminating an important food source for many species that prey on mosquitoes. So which species is the most important? Elk. Definitely elk. I like hunting elk...... nice big males.... Just what I'd expect from you and your elk.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #37 May 12, 2015 kallend************ Short sighted and arrogant. Arrogant, as if humans are the only important species on Earth. Short sighted, for discounting the chain reaction damage to the biosphere that would be wrought by eliminating an important food source for many species that prey on mosquitoes. So which species is the most important? Elk. Definitely elk. I like hunting elk...... nice big males.... Just what I'd expect from you and your elk. Of course....... I am not an herbivore. Unlike most people I have been willing all my life to procure my own food in the forests and mountains... and I am very good at it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Suslique 0 #38 May 12, 2015 rehmwa***humans need to leave nature alone. we are part of nature - so I don't know what that means but i'm not a fan of overt efforts to destroy any species directly if we are powerful enough to directly destroy a species,,,,then we are powerful enough to mitigate the threat without destruction.. plus, evolution is powerful - destroy the mosquito,,,,just what is going to come and replace it? will it be worse for us? We are the only specie smart enough to destroy the whole planet. Do we need to see what happens if we make mosquito extinct? I bet no one expected " flesh eating superbug" a.k.a. mrsa either. We depend on the planet, not the other way around, it has a harmony and balance that barely fixes itself every time humans mess up (how are things on gulf of Mexico going on BTW?) Call me a tree hugging, canvas shopping bag carrying, kombutcha drinking hipster if u want but I'm all against the whole mosquito genocide thing 'Can a man still be brave if he's afraid?' 'That is the only time a man can be brave.' George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #39 May 13, 2015 Susliquecanvas shopping bag carrying a good idea in principle, but if you do it for groceries, wash those things frequently - food can leave nasty stuff in those especially when they just simmer in the car for the next trip to the store maybe the soapy washes will cancel the recycling benefits, but better than getting food poisoning as for the rest of the post - appears we agree. I only take exception to statements that puts us "outside" of nature - I think that's a tactical misuse of words to try and affect an emotional stance. If we want to do that, I think considering us as part of nature is more effective to the message. And it's less arrogant in general. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #40 May 13, 2015 rehmwa***canvas shopping bag carrying a good idea in principle, but if you do it for groceries, wash those things frequently - food can leave nasty stuff in those especially when they just simmer in the car for the next trip to the store maybe the soapy washes will cancel the recycling benefits, but better than getting food poisoning as for the rest of the post - appears we agree. I only take exception to statements that puts us "outside" of nature - I think that's a tactical misuse of words to try and affect an emotional stance. If we want to do that, I think considering us as part of nature is more effective to the message. And it's less arrogant in general. Food poisoning is caused by bacteria, all nature must be protected except humans.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Suslique 0 #41 May 13, 2015 rehmwa***canvas shopping bag carrying a good idea in principle, but if you do it for groceries, wash those things frequently - food can leave nasty stuff in those especially when they just simmer in the car for the next trip to the store maybe the soapy washes will cancel the recycling benefits, but better than getting food poisoning as for the rest of the post - appears we agree. I only take exception to statements that puts us "outside" of nature - I think that's a tactical misuse of words to try and affect an emotional stance. If we want to do that, I think considering us as part of nature is more effective to the message. And it's less arrogant in general. I wholeheartedly agree. I use castle soap or phosphate free (biodegradable) washing liquids/powders (my washing machine is pretty economic energy and water wise) and yes, shopping bags get washed and sunnied on regular basis:) I want to get sapindus, so far can't find an affordable option unfortunately 'Can a man still be brave if he's afraid?' 'That is the only time a man can be brave.' George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #42 May 13, 2015 They are that. On the other hand, our increasing insulation from germs of all types seems to be increasing our susceptibility to illness from them. If we don't get exposed to the occasional germ, then when a bunch of them show up we have no defenses already established. Kind of like how very small ingestion of peanuts on a regular basis seems to reduce overall population rates of peanut allergy (study) I've always gone with the "what I can't see can't hurt me" theory Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Suslique 0 #43 May 13, 2015 wmw999 They are that. On the other hand, our increasing insulation from germs of all types seems to be increasing our susceptibility to illness from them. If we don't get exposed to the occasional germ, then when a bunch of them show up we have no defenses already established. Kind of like how very small ingestion of peanuts on a regular basis seems to reduce overall population rates of peanut allergy (study) I've always gone with the "what I can't see can't hurt me" theory Wendy P. Yes also if woman is exposed to pets during pregnancy her child is less likely to develop pet related allergies in the future. 'Can a man still be brave if he's afraid?' 'That is the only time a man can be brave.' George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #44 May 13, 2015 wmw999 I've always gone with the "what I can't see can't hurt me" theory Triple Bypass Surgery Homer Simpson - "But what doesn't kill me only makes me stronger, right Doc?" Dr. Hibbert - "Oh my no! you're as weak as a kitten" “Oh, Doctor, I was in a wonderful place filled with fire and brimstone, and there were all these guys in red pajamas sticking pitchforks in my butt!” ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
