rushmc 23 #1 May 8, 2015 I am curious to know what some of the UK locals think of the elections there. Anyone?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #2 May 8, 2015 rushmc I am curious to know what some of the UK locals think of the elections there. Anyone? You could just go to BBC... Or http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11591281/conservative-government-live.html Good to see Scotland is tired of the Tories.ETA..... UK Conservative does not equal what conservatives here seem to think it means. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #3 May 8, 2015 Which bit? There was a lot going on- the unexpected Tory majority, the Lib Dem wipeout, the SNP whitewash in Scotland (and consequently whether Labour can win an election again), Farage not winning his seat and hopefully now going away, and generally whether this is the end of the 2 (and a bit) party system and the beginning of genuine continental style multi party politics.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #4 May 8, 2015 jakeeWhich bit? There was a lot going on- the unexpected Tory majority, the Lib Dem wipeout, the SNP whitewash in Scotland (and consequently whether Labour can win an election again), Farage not winning his seat and hopefully now going away, and generally whether this is the end of the 2 (and a bit) party system and the beginning of genuine continental style multi party politics. I read something about Labour trying to go to a one person one vote... instead of the 3 person thing used. The US does not stand a chance in ever having a one person one vote counts as long as our electoral college is in place. That works out very well for those who like their politicians well bought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #5 May 8, 2015 Amazon Good to see Scotland is tired of the Tories.. Didn't they usually usta lean to LaboUr? And wasn't that very much a factor this time? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #6 May 8, 2015 Andy9o8 *** Good to see Scotland is tired of the Tories.. Didn't they usually usta lean to LaboUr? And wasn't that very much a factor this time? We are talking about the UK... they like their U's Yes Scotland was heavily Labour..... not so much now it seems... perhaps they finally are speaking with one voice after last years promises. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #7 May 8, 2015 Scotland did speak with one voice last year, and that voice said 'no' to independence quite clearly. However the campaign did galvanise the independence campaign, and now anyone that previously kinda sorta wanted independence now rates it above any other issues and will have voted SNP regardless of anything else. The people who don't want independence are as fragmented as ever - labour, lib dem, Tory, even UKIP and therefore don't stand a chance in first past the post voting against the SNP. Hence they can poll less than half the vote and get almost all the seats.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #8 May 8, 2015 rushmcI am curious to know what some of the UK locals think of the elections there. Anyone? The So. Dem. All. did quite well, I hear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #9 May 8, 2015 jakeeanyone........ wanted independence now rates it above any other issues . . . The people who don't want independence are as fragmented as ever I don't have the context from this specific election, but as a general philosophical comment, this is heartening If you are going to be a one issue voter, this is better than any of the one issue idiocy on this side of the Atlantic ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #10 May 8, 2015 AmazonI read something about Labour trying to go to a one person one vote... instead of the 3 person thing used. 3 person? Labour haven't usually been into PR since the current system suits them very well, the lib dems have pushed for it since it would almost always give them more seats if it was used. Also, first past the post was what let the Scots do so well. As a comparison UKIP got 12.6% of the national vote and won 2 seats. The SNP got 4.7% of the national vote and won 56 seats. That's not a typo.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #11 May 8, 2015 jakeeScotland did speak with one voice last year, and that voice said 'no' to independence quite clearly. However the campaign did galvanise the independence campaign, and now anyone that previously kinda sorta wanted independence now rates it above any other issues and will have voted SNP regardless of anything else. The people who don't want independence are as fragmented as ever - labour, lib dem, Tory, even UKIP and therefore don't stand a chance in first past the post voting against the SNP. Hence they can poll less than half the vote and get almost all the seats. Is the first past the post parliamentary voting system perfect? Heck no. But I think proportional representation has just as many if not more flaws. How can you send a fraction of a person to parliament when they garner X.Y% of the vote? I too live under the same first past the post parliamentary voting system that you have (heck we copied your parliamentary system) and I too just had an election the other day (a provincial one) where the winning party only had 40% of the popular vote but still won a massive majority mandate. For the first time in the Province of Alberta's history the socialist New Democratic Party rules the land ending the 44 year uninterrupted dynasty of the reigning Progressive Conservative Party. The PC Party used to be Conservative, but they have only been Conservative in name for the last 10-15 years. They became so arrogant, so corrupt, so progressive that the Conservatives in the party split off to form the Wildrose Party. The PC Party previous leader stepped down last year because of a spending scandal and was replaced by a new leader who succeeded in convincing many Wildrose politicians to cross the floor apparently decimating the official opposition and then this new PC leader passed an unpopular budget and thinking he had no opposition anymore he called an early election one year ahead of the fix election date laws his own party passed. Well the people of Alberta stood up and finally smelled the coffee to see how corrupt and arrogant this reigning party was and the people of Alberta voted for change and they got it. Edmonton the Province's capital where all the government workers live and work overwhelming voted for the socialist NDP. There was no vote splitting going on in Edmonton at all. The majority of Edmonton voters voted to keep their government entitlements flowing. Do I like this? No, but it is democracy. In rural Alberta a handful of ridings near Edmonton and up north went to the socialist NDP and a couple of ridings also went to the reigning PC Party. But the vast majority of the rural ridings in the province went to the actual Conservative Wildrose Party. That left Calgary, a business city left to decide who would win. But the right learning Calgary vote was split between the reigning PC Party and the Wildrose Party which under the first past the post system allowed the socialist NDP to come up the middle and win tons of Calgary seats giving them their majority. Once again am I happy with the result? Only 40% of the voters voted for a socialist government (keeping in mind about 80% of Edmonton voted to keep their entitlements). Of course not. But this is how the first past the post democratic system works and in my opinion while it has it's flaws, it's still better than proportional representation. There are too many "you scratch mine I will scratch yours" backroom dealings going on in proportional representation. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #12 May 8, 2015 Whoa, sorry, but I need the cliff notes version. Anyhow bottom line you guys still have a king or something, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #13 May 8, 2015 Andy9o8Whoa, sorry, but I need the cliff notes version. Anyhow bottom line you guys still have a king or something, right? This week, vote splitting in the city of Calgary allowed a socialist government to win a massive majority mandate for the first time in the province of Alberta's history. Am I happy with the result? No ... but this is how the system works and I have to accept the result. Oh and I brought this up because I am sick and tired of people whining when their side loses an election because of the first past the post system. At other times their side won elections thanks to the first past the post system. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #14 May 8, 2015 Andy9o8Whoa, sorry, but I need the cliff notes version. Anyhow bottom line you guys still have a king or something, right? Think Freddie Mercury. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #15 May 8, 2015 AmazonUK Conservative does not equal what conservatives here seem to think it means. What's really important is whether or not they invest money into evil porn companies like Direct TV and Time Warner...Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #16 May 8, 2015 winsor***Whoa, sorry, but I need the cliff notes version. Anyhow bottom line you guys still have a king or something, right? Think Freddie Mercury. http://www.sonypictures.com/tv/thekingofqueens/assets/images/onesheet.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #17 May 8, 2015 QuoteBut I think proportional representation has just as many if not more flaws. How can you send a fraction of a person to parliament when they garner X.Y% of the vote? I would imagine that A) you don't and B) you have a set of rules governing how to round up and down to whole representatives. I've gotta say that seems pretty obvious to me, but if you want to go ahead with a plan to hack a few legs off instead then have at it.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #18 May 8, 2015 jakee Quote But I think proportional representation has just as many if not more flaws. How can you send a fraction of a person to parliament when they garner X.Y% of the vote? I would imagine that A) you don't and B) you have a set of rules governing how to round up and down to whole representatives. I've gotta say that seems pretty obvious to me, but if you want to go ahead with a plan to hack a few legs off instead then have at it. One day Miles and Bernard were minding their own business, discussing politics and the next thing you know they are falling to pieces.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #19 May 8, 2015 rushmcI am curious to know what some of the UK locals think of the elections there. Anyone? Monster Raving Loony Party did about as well as expected.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #20 May 9, 2015 kallend***I am curious to know what some of the UK locals think of the elections there. Anyone? Monster Raving Loony Party did about as well as expected. They did better than the BNP... Which is great news. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #21 May 9, 2015 yoink******I am curious to know what some of the UK locals think of the elections there. Anyone? Monster Raving Loony Party did about as well as expected. They did better than the BNP... Which is great news. Isnt that subjective?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #22 May 9, 2015 turtlespeed *********I am curious to know what some of the UK locals think of the elections there. Anyone? Monster Raving Loony Party did about as well as expected. They did better than the BNP... Which is great news. Isnt that subjective? Yeah, in the same way that 'it's good that the Nazis lost WW2' is subjectiveDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #23 May 9, 2015 Interesting perspective: What Republicans Can Learn From British Conservatives... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #24 May 9, 2015 jakee ************I am curious to know what some of the UK locals think of the elections there. Anyone? Monster Raving Loony Party did about as well as expected. They did better than the BNP... Which is great news. Isnt that subjective? Yeah, in the same way that 'it's good that the Nazis lost WW2' is subjectiveHoly FUCK, you just Godwin'd a thread about UK elections. WOW! Well done, sir.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #25 May 9, 2015 turtlespeed They did better than the BNP... Which is great news. Isnt that subjective? Yeah, in the same way that 'it's good that the Nazis lost WW2' is subjectiveHoly FUCK, you just Godwin'd a thread about UK elections. WOW! Well done, sir. The BNP are Neo-Nazis. I don't think comparing fascists to other fascists qualifies for Godwinning, since it really is the most direct comparison.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
