2 Gunmen killed outside Muhammad cartoon drawing contest event

[Driver1 0]

Anybody wanna bet the gunmen were muslims?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/officials-2-gunmen-killed-outside-muhammad-cartoon-contest-in-texas/ar-BBj87QM

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[quade 4]

Can somebody tell me why Pamela Geller hasn't been arrested for inciting a riot?

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[yoink 321]

Let me say this first: The gunmen were completely in the wrong. I'm not saying what they did was OK.


That said... there is a certain amount of 'you must have expected this would cause massive trouble?' in my brain.

Take some of the deepest held beliefs people have and then publicly proface and risucule them... What did you think was going to happen? It is kinda like painting a bullseye on your own head.

There are better ways to address the issue I think.

[bigbearfng 18]

yoink

Let me say this first: The gunmen were completely in the wrong. I'm not saying what they did was OK.


That said... there is a certain amount of 'you must have expected this would cause massive trouble?' in my brain.

Take some of the deepest held beliefs people have and then publicly proface and risucule them... What did you think was going to happen? It is kinda like painting a bullseye on your own head.

There are better ways to address the issue I think.

So free speech should be set aside if someone will get offended?

[Coreeece 2]

yoink

Take some of the deepest held beliefs people have and then publicly proface and risucule them... What did you think was going to happen? It is kinda like painting a bullseye on your own head.

What if you just painted a bullseye on your own head?

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[Stumpy 284]

Agreed - the gunmen were in the wrong. But this is the equivalent of taking a shit on the us flag at, say, arlington cemetery and claiming it's just free speech. Posters on this site have said they would respond with violence to something like that. Blatant provocation in any arena is a shitty idea.

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[skycop 0]

Those cops were too militarized, and dressed too scary!

All those weapons, and especially that "military" look could have intimidated and scared those gunman, right before they got shot..................

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/04/us/garland-mohammed-drawing-contest-shooting/index.html

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[Coreeece 2]

Stumpy

Agreed - the gunmen were in the wrong. But this is the equivalent of taking a shit on the us flag at, say, arlington cemetery and claiming it's just free speech. Posters on this site have said they would respond with violence to something like that.

What type of violence?

Something like what?

...just trying to get an understanding of wtf you're talking about.

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[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

quade

Can somebody tell me why Pamela Geller hasn't been arrested for inciting a riot?

Ummm...

Because she isn't inciting a riot?

She isn't standing at a mike saying "Go out and... (kill Muslims, burn Mosques, loot Kwik-E-Marts, ect)", which would be directing people to commit violent acts.

That is "incitement."

She is provoking a response by being deliberately offensive.
Exercising her 1st A right to be a douche.

She's deliberately "pushing buttons" to show people that Muslims are easily offended and react violently when insulted.

No different than if I desecrated a flag and someone reacted by, say, trying to steal the flag.

Although, in that case, I would be a douche for desecrating the flag, the person who stole the flag (or assaulted me if Ron happened to be there ) would be the one in the wrong.

And yes, I know Apu isn't Muslim.

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[winsor 236]

quade

Can somebody tell me why Pamela Geller hasn't been arrested for inciting a riot?

Thoughtcrime?

[Driver1 0]

quade

Can somebody tell me why Pamela Geller hasn't been arrested for inciting a riot?

Riot? WHAT riot?

Two gunmen showed up, started shooting. Security shot back and killed both gunmen. End of story.

Where is this "inciting a riot" falling into play?

She's a douche, no doubt about that. She had to have known this event would draw some angry Muslims, if in fact that's what those gunmen were.

ETA - I guess you could say this guy is a douche? See attached

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

Is this the same Texas where the Governor has instructed the State Guard to spy on a Special Forces training exercise, because he is afraid it is really a ruse to take over the state by the Federal Government?

That Texas?

As some one else posted on Facebook, even the crazy is bigger in Texas.

[kallend 2,150]

bigbearfng

***Let me say this first: The gunmen were completely in the wrong. I'm not saying what they did was OK.


That said... there is a certain amount of 'you must have expected this would cause massive trouble?' in my brain.

Take some of the deepest held beliefs people have and then publicly proface and risucule them... What did you think was going to happen? It is kinda like painting a bullseye on your own head.

There are better ways to address the issue I think.

So free speech should be set aside if someone will get offended?

Just because you can do something doesn't mean it's a good idea. In fact maybe it's a really bad, dumb, stupid idea.

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[Channman 2]

quade

Can somebody tell me why Pamela Geller hasn't been arrested for inciting a riot?

This would have never happened if it was cartoon drawing contest about Jesus, urine and elephant dung, I'm sure it would never have rated enough response to end up on DZ.COM.

[kallend 2,150]

Channman

***Can somebody tell me why Pamela Geller hasn't been arrested for inciting a riot?

This would have never happened if it was cartoon drawing contest about Jesus, urine and elephant dung, I'm sure it would never have rated enough response to end up on DZ.COM.

Meh - all religions are equally stupid. Some are just more equal than others.

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[lawrocket 3]

Stumpy

Agreed - the gunmen were in the wrong. But this is the equivalent of taking a shit on the us flag at, say, arlington cemetery and claiming it's just free speech. Posters on this site have said they would respond with violence to something like that. Blatant provocation in any arena is a shitty idea.

It's the equivalent of the bitch not doing the fucking dishes. Or of dressing provocatively at a frat party.


Yep. She just should have known it was going to happen.

Also See heckler veto. There is one thing out there that is not to be criticised or teased, right? Pick on anything or anyone else. Indeed, home a special status for Islam.

Penn Jillett explained why he won't criticism Islam. Because he wants to live. That's his criticism.

I've noticed there are people who wish to appease. No, don't say anything about the bully. Call the Christians evil, bemoan their treatment of women and call them the Sharia. But don't mention the Muslims!

Yes. I think it is absolutely despicable to blame free speech. Some people really hate it. Much in the same way women in Muslim countries get punished for being raped because it's their fault it happened. That girl in Afghanistan who got shot for speaking up should be in jail, right? She should have known her school bus would get shot up.

Disgusting.

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[kallend 2,150]

lawrocket

I've noticed there are people who wish to appease. No, don't say anything about the bully. Call the Christians evil, bemoan their treatment of women and call them the Sharia. But don't mention the Muslims!

A plague on ALL their houses, IMO. (With the possible exception of Buddhists)

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[lawrocket 3]

kallend

******Let me say this first: The gunmen were completely in the wrong. I'm not saying what they did was OK.


That said... there is a certain amount of 'you must have expected this would cause massive trouble?' in my brain.

Take some of the deepest held beliefs people have and then publicly proface and risucule them... What did you think was going to happen? It is kinda like painting a bullseye on your own head.

There are better ways to address the issue I think.

So free speech should be set aside if someone will get offended?

Just because you can do something doesn't mean it's a good idea. In fact maybe it's a really bad, dumb, stupid idea.

Yes. Like trying get to shoot people for drawing cartoons.

It's Only a dumb idea where. It is Muslims who might get upset. And you are seeking get to enable it.

The Muslims are right. The provocateurs deserve to be shot. And hold those guards responsible for the deaths of those poor Muslims who got set up and killed. Let us mourn their passing. T

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

kallend

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I've noticed there are people who wish to appease. No, don't say anything about the bully. Call the Christians evil, bemoan their treatment of women and call them the Sharia. But don't mention the Muslims!

A plague on ALL their houses, IMO. (With the possible exception of Buddhists)

The Rohingya would probably like the Buddhists included.

[kallend 2,150]

lawrocket

*********Let me say this first: The gunmen were completely in the wrong. I'm not saying what they did was OK.


That said... there is a certain amount of 'you must have expected this would cause massive trouble?' in my brain.

Take some of the deepest held beliefs people have and then publicly proface and risucule them... What did you think was going to happen? It is kinda like painting a bullseye on your own head.

There are better ways to address the issue I think.

So free speech should be set aside if someone will get offended?

Just because you can do something doesn't mean it's a good idea. In fact maybe it's a really bad, dumb, stupid idea.

Yes. Like trying get to shoot people for drawing cartoons.

It's Only a dumb idea where. It is Muslims who might get upset. And you are seeking get to enable it.

The Muslims are right. The provocateurs deserve to be shot. And hold those guards responsible for the deaths of those poor Muslims who got set up and killed. Let us mourn their passing. T

Just because you can bear arms doesn't mean its a good idea. In fact maybe it's a really bad, dumb, stupid idea for some people.

Have you EVER seen me condone shooting anyone for any reason?

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[lawrocket 3]

Never.

But I've seen you rip apart people for blaming the victims.

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[Driver1 0]

If the Westboro Baptist Church pukes started a protest with signs saying "Mohammed was a fag", will their church get bombed or their protest groups get attacked?

You see the difference between us and the Muslims? The WBC pukes makes us sick, but we respect their right to protest as long as there are limits as to where they protest especially in proximity to funerals. We don't shoot them, bomb them, behead them, etc.

I could care less if some muslim puke draws an offensive cartoon of Jesus.

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Driver1

You see the difference between us and the Muslims?

Who are these "us" people of whom you write?

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[rehmwa 2]

Normal for DZ.com to see a lot of strawmanning telling posters that they are anti-free speech for stating that people should expect retribution. The point that this is expected is not a comment on the nature of free speech or that some overly sensitive groups need to be accommodated - (no matter how much violent fanatics, religious and social agenda, try to scare society into it).

One take on the "they need to expect this" is a bit less dramatic - I'd think a reasonable application of "they need to expect this" is likely better used as a statement that we need to protect or be prepared against violent and UNLAWFUL reactions by these groups.

i.e., would it be reasonable for a group doing something like this to be able to request, and receive up front, additional protection from law enforcement? (or would that be 'profiling'?)

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[kallend 2,150]

lawrocket

Never.

But I've seen you rip apart people for blaming the victims.

You know, BEFORE you start doing stupid shit, even if it's perfectly legal, you might want to think for a minute or two about how other stupid people might react.

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