Using wind, solar, water and CO2 to make diesel

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Pretty cool:

http://www.sciencealert.com/audi-have-successfully-made-diesel-fuel-from-air-and-water

[ryoder 1,590]

"Blue crude";
The spirit of Walter White lives on!

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[wayneflorida 0]

I worry about the excess oxygen being pumped into the atmosphere. Won't this make forest fires worst.

I guess with less forests there will be less oxygen however, so everything is back to good.

And the excess water can be shipped to California.

So all is good.

[billvon 3,120]

>I worry about the excess oxygen being pumped into the atmosphere.

It gets used up by burning the fuel you just created.

[brenthutch 444]

Global warming and energy crisis all fixed in one solution. We just have to outlaw all other fuels and the world will be saved.

[brenthutch 444]

billvon

>I worry about the excess oxygen being pumped into the atmosphere.

It gets used up by burning the fuel you just created.

I don't understand why this is not getting more traction. It checks off all of the boxes; green energy, sustainability, carbon neutral etc.., while filling the tanks of F-350 duellys. Why isn't everybody getting behind this?

[BartsDaddy 7]

brenthutch

***>I worry about the excess oxygen being pumped into the atmosphere.

It gets used up by burning the fuel you just created.

I don't understand why this is not getting more traction. It checks off all of the boxes; green energy, sustainability, carbon neutral etc.., while filling the tanks of F-350 duellys. Why isn't everybody getting behind this?
Because it is still in pilot plant status. Give it time.

Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

[brenthutch 444]

BartsDaddy

******>I worry about the excess oxygen being pumped into the atmosphere.

It gets used up by burning the fuel you just created.

I don't understand why this is not getting more traction. It checks off all of the boxes; green energy, sustainability, carbon neutral etc.., while filling the tanks of F-350 duellys. Why isn't everybody getting behind this?
Because it is still in pilot plant status. Give it time.

So is solar, wind and geothermal. Why don't we go to this right now?

[billvon 3,120]

>I don't understand why this is not getting more traction. It checks off all of the boxes;
>green energy, sustainability, carbon neutral etc.., while filling the tanks of F-350
>duellys. Why isn't everybody getting behind this?

Because it's expensive and the intermediate product (electricity) is more valuable. But drive down the price of that (say with solar and wind) and it might be a viable option.

Keep in mind that this process (group of processes actually) has been around for almost 100 years now.

[brenthutch 444]

billvon

>I don't understand why this is not getting more traction. It checks off all of the boxes;
>green energy, sustainability, carbon neutral etc.., while filling the tanks of F-350
>duellys. Why isn't everybody getting behind this?

Because it's expensive and the intermediate product (electricity) is more valuable.

Yay! Bill gets a gold star for Econ 101. Now if you can just apply the same acumen to wind and solar we wil be making some real progress.

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brenthutch

***>I don't understand why this is not getting more traction. It checks off all of the boxes;
>green energy, sustainability, carbon neutral etc.., while filling the tanks of F-350
>duellys. Why isn't everybody getting behind this?

Because it's expensive and the intermediate product (electricity) is more valuable.

Yay! Bill gets a gold star for Econ 101. Now if you can just apply the same acumen to wind and solar we wil be making some real progress.

Other countries seem to be doing it just fine... the weaning process is occurring but 100 years from now it will be a done deal on the ever shrinking land our descendants will find themselves living on.

[brenthutch 444]

Amazon

******>I don't understand why this is not getting more traction. It checks off all of the boxes;
>green energy, sustainability, carbon neutral etc.., while filling the tanks of F-350
>duellys. Why isn't everybody getting behind this?

Because it's expensive and the intermediate product (electricity) is more valuable.

Yay! Bill gets a gold star for Econ 101. Now if you can just apply the same acumen to wind and solar we wil be making some real progress.

Other countries seem to be doing it just fine... the weaning process is occurring but 100 years from now it will be a done deal on the ever shrinking land our descendants will find themselves living on.

Only a lefty would categorize this as success.

"In a stunning admission, the German Government recently announced that its transition to Renewable Energy was, “On the Verge of Failure.” This blunt statement was released by Germany’s Economic Minister and Vice Chancellor to Angela Merkel, Sigmar Gabriel at an event at SMA Solar… Germany’s leading manufacturer of Solar technology.

According to the article, Angela Merkel’s Vice Chancellor Stuns, Declares Germany’s ‘Energiewende’ To Be On The Verge Of Failure:

In the speech Gabriel tells the audience how the energy transformation is on the verge of failure:

Gabriel at SMA

“The truth is that in all fields we under-estimated the complexity of the Energiewende.”

Gabriel is not only the national economics minister and vice chancellor to Angela Merkel, he is also head of Germany’s socialist SPD party, which is now the coalition partner in Angela Merkel’s CDU/SPD grand coalition government. Moreover Gabriel was once the country’s environment minister and a devout believer in global warming and in Al Gore’s Inconvenient Truth.

“Those who are the engines of the transformation to renewable energies, that’s you, you don’t see how close we are to the failure of the energy transformation.”

The solar energy audience reacts with dead, stunned silence (3:03). That can’t believe what they just heard.

The mood at SMA Solar, which has been a huge benefactor of the renewable energy subsidies brought on by Germany’s EEG feed-in act, was somber and shock and Gabriel delivered the reality. Many in attendance seemed unable to fathom what Gabriel was unloading: the heady days at the green energy feeding trough are over – live with it.

This announcement is a DEATH-BLOW to the advocates of renewable energy such as Wind & Solar. One of the major problems with wind and solar is that the projects aren’t commercially viable without huge Govt subsidies including long-term contracts by energy utilities to pay 2-4 times the going wholesale electric rate for solar and wind generated power.

These higher costs were ultimately pushed onto the German consumer. "

[billvon 3,120]

>Yay! Bill gets a gold star for Econ 101. Now if you can just apply the same acumen
>to wind and solar we wil be making some real progress.

We are seeing real progress; solar and wind are expanding at exponential rates. Why? Again, simple economics.

Source Cost ($/mwhr average)

Wind, onshore 60
Wind, offshore 150
Solar PV 110
Solar CSP 160
Geothermal 75
Hydropower 70
Ocean 240
Distributed Generation 70
Natural Gas Combined Cycle 75
Natural Gas Combustion Turbine 170
Coal, pulverized, scrubbed 105
Coal, integrated gasification, combined cycle 135
Nuclear 110

http://en.openei.org/apps/TCDB/

[Amazon 7]

brenthutch

*********>I don't understand why this is not getting more traction. It checks off all of the boxes;
>green energy, sustainability, carbon neutral etc.., while filling the tanks of F-350
>duellys. Why isn't everybody getting behind this?

Because it's expensive and the intermediate product (electricity) is more valuable.

Yay! Bill gets a gold star for Econ 101. Now if you can just apply the same acumen to wind and solar we wil be making some real progress.

Other countries seem to be doing it just fine... the weaning process is occurring but 100 years from now it will be a done deal on the ever shrinking land our descendants will find themselves living on.

Only a lefty would categorize this as success.

"In a stunning admission, the German Government recently announced that its transition to Renewable Energy was, “On the Verge of Failure.” This blunt statement was released by Germany’s Economic Minister and Vice Chancellor to Angela Merkel, Sigmar Gabriel at an event at SMA Solar… Germany’s leading manufacturer of Solar technology.

According to the article, Angela Merkel’s Vice Chancellor Stuns, Declares Germany’s ‘Energiewende’ To Be On The Verge Of Failure:

In the speech Gabriel tells the audience how the energy transformation is on the verge of failure:

Gabriel at SMA

“The truth is that in all fields we under-estimated the complexity of the Energiewende.”

Gabriel is not only the national economics minister and vice chancellor to Angela Merkel, he is also head of Germany’s socialist SPD party, which is now the coalition partner in Angela Merkel’s CDU/SPD grand coalition government. Moreover Gabriel was once the country’s environment minister and a devout believer in global warming and in Al Gore’s Inconvenient Truth.

“Those who are the engines of the transformation to renewable energies, that’s you, you don’t see how close we are to the failure of the energy transformation.”

The solar energy audience reacts with dead, stunned silence (3:03). That can’t believe what they just heard.

The mood at SMA Solar, which has been a huge benefactor of the renewable energy subsidies brought on by Germany’s EEG feed-in act, was somber and shock and Gabriel delivered the reality. Many in attendance seemed unable to fathom what Gabriel was unloading: the heady days at the green energy feeding trough are over – live with it.

This announcement is a DEATH-BLOW to the advocates of renewable energy such as Wind & Solar. One of the major problems with wind and solar is that the projects aren’t commercially viable without huge Govt subsidies including long-term contracts by energy utilities to pay 2-4 times the going wholesale electric rate for solar and wind generated power.

These higher costs were ultimately pushed onto the German consumer. "


I wonder who Sigmar Gabriel is being paid by to unload his "facts"

Meanwhile....... http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/05/13/3436923/germany-energy-records/

[turtlespeed 226]

Lol, every time I see that word I think of the super friends.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[brenthutch 444]

From your article:
"coal imports are increasing in order to meet the country’s baseload power demands. And retail electricity rates are high and rising, putting pressure on lower income individuals in particular." Burn more coal and hurt the poor. Again only a lefty would call that success.

[billvon 3,120]

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coal imports are increasing in order to meet the country’s baseload power demands. And retail electricity rates are high and rising, putting pressure on lower income individuals in particular.

Increasing coal use? Hurting the "taker" poor? Sounds like a right winger daydream.

[brenthutch 444]

billvon

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coal imports are increasing in order to meet the country’s baseload power demands. And retail electricity rates are high and rising, putting pressure on lower income individuals in particular.

Increasing coal use? Hurting the "taker" poor? Sounds like a right winger daydream.

Sounds more like reality.
"Germany's agressive and reckless expansion of wind and solar power has come with a hefty pricetag for consumers, and the costs often fall disproportionately on the poor. Government advisors are calling for a completely new start.


If you want to do something big, you have to start small. That's something German Environment Minister Peter Altmaier knows all too well. The politician, a member of the center-right Christian Democratic Union (CDU), has put together a manual of practical tips on how everyone can make small, everyday contributions to the shift away from nuclear power and toward green energy. The so-called Energiewende, or energy revolution, is Chancellor Angela Merkel's project of the century.

"Join in and start today," Altmaier writes in the introduction. He then turns to such everyday activities as baking and cooking. "Avoid preheating and utilize residual heat," Altmaier advises. TV viewers can also save a lot of electricity, albeit at the expense of picture quality. "For instance, you can reduce brightness and contrast," his booklet suggests.

Altmaier and others are on a mission to help people save money on their electricity bills, because they're about to receive some bad news. The government predicts that the renewable energy surcharge added to every consumer's electricity bill will increase from 5.3 cents today to between 6.2 and 6.5 cents per kilowatt hour -- a 20-percent price hike.

German consumers already pay the highest electricity prices in Europe. But because the government is failing to get the costs of its new energy policy under control, rising prices are already on the horizon. Electricity is becoming a luxury good in Germany, and one of the country's most important future-oriented projects is acutely at risk."

[billvon 3,120]

>Germany's agressive and reckless expansion of wind and solar power has come with a
>hefty pricetag for consumers, and the costs often fall disproportionately on the poor.

So you honestly think that Germany's power problems are all about alternative energy and have nothing to do with the fact that they shut down half of their nuclear power plants in the past few years - plants that supplied almost a quarter of their electrical energy needs in 2010?

Might want to check your math.

[brenthutch 444]

billvon

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coal imports are increasing in order to meet the country’s baseload power demands. And retail electricity rates are high and rising, putting pressure on lower income individuals in particular.

Increasing coal use? Hurting the "taker" poor? Sounds like a right winger daydream.

"What’s causing the rise in carbon dioxide emissions? Coal power, according to Die Zeit. The newspaper writes that “CO2 emissions continue to rise as more and more coal and lignite power stations” are brought online and natural gas plants remain uneconomical to operate.

German power prices have been driven to three times what they are in the U.S. and 50 percent higher than the rest of Europe because of green energy tariffs. In order to meet its emission reduction targets, Germany has been taxing businesses and households to subsidize green energy sources, like wind and solar."

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brenthutch

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coal imports are increasing in order to meet the country’s baseload power demands. And retail electricity rates are high and rising, putting pressure on lower income individuals in particular.

Increasing coal use? Hurting the "taker" poor? Sounds like a right winger daydream.

"What’s causing the rise in carbon dioxide emissions? Coal power, according to Die Zeit. The newspaper writes that “CO2 emissions continue to rise as more and more coal and lignite power stations” are brought online and natural gas plants remain uneconomical to operate.

German power prices have been driven to three times what they are in the U.S. and 50 percent higher than the rest of Europe because of green energy tariffs. In order to meet its emission reduction targets, Germany has been taxing businesses and households to subsidize green energy sources, like wind and solar."

Part of the green liberal utopia

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[brenthutch 444]

billvon

>Germany's agressive and reckless expansion of wind and solar power has come with a
>hefty pricetag for consumers, and the costs often fall disproportionately on the poor.

So you honestly think that Germany's power problems are all about alternative energy and have nothing to do with the fact that they shut down half of their nuclear power plants in the past few years - plants that supplied almost a quarter of their electrical energy needs in 2010?

Might want to check your math.

You might want to check this out.
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Spain has been held up by the gullible and naïve (some might say, cynical and malign) hard-green-left as the model for our “new” energy future. Some “model”!!
The Spaniards have thrown 100s of billions of euros in subsidies at solar and wind power, and have achieved nothing but economic punishment in return.
The power generated is delivered at chaotic, random intervals: the sun sets every day and the wind stops blowing, just like everywhere else in the world; requiring 100% of wind and solar capacity to be matched by fossil fuel generation sources.
As a result, in the last decade, the true cost of power has spiralled out of control. However, the Spanish government used price caps in an effort to keep prices artificially low. But that simply left taxpayers with an even greater burden to cover the massive cost of renewables subsidies (which represent a state-mandated transfer from the poorest to the richest) – add mounting government debt used to keep the subsidy stream flowing – and it can be fairly said that Spain’s energy policy is nothing short of an economic disaster.
The much touted promise of thousands of so-called “green” jobs never materialized. No surprises there. Instead, the insane cost of subsidising wind and solar power has killed productive industries, with the general unemployment rate rocketing from 8% to 26% (and still rising) – youth unemployment is nearer to 50% in many regions."

[Coreeece 2]

brenthutch

***>I worry about the excess oxygen being pumped into the atmosphere.

It gets used up by burning the fuel you just created.

I don't understand why this is not getting more traction. It checks off all of the boxes; green energy, sustainability, carbon neutral etc.., while filling the tanks of F-350 duellys. Why isn't everybody getting behind this?

Dude, this tech has been around for awhile...some here in the US have even lost their lives/livelihoods over it.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[brenthutch 444]

It was a rhetorical question

[Zep 0]

why, because the major American controlled conglomerates bought or stole the patents
to keep it off the markets.

Gone fishing