"I am a climate skeptic who believes in global warming"

[rushmc 23]

I can pay attention to this guy

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Guest essay by Richard J. Petschauer

A skeptic that believes in global warming? How can that be? We have been told that climate skeptics, sometime incorrectly called “deniers”, still believe the earth is flat and disagree with 97% of scientists. Well, first of all, most of us have seen a globe and know what it represents. Second, do you know on what these scientists agree? If not, don’t feel bad. Those making these claims, mostly politicians, probably don’t know either. Actually, a rather poor survey was done looking at a summary of many technical papers. If any one of many climate related points were made, they were put in the 97% camp. This article would probably have qualified too.

But the real question, not covered in the survey: How fast will the earth warm if we do nothing to curtail the growth of man made carbon dioxide emissions? And how much can we reduce the warming if we cut world emissions by some factor? The impact and costs of doing nothing or something will not be covered here, but it is obvious they would depend on how fast warming will occur. This we will discuss.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/04/25/i-am-a-climate-skeptic-who-believes-in-global-warming/

This guy explains the dance done by alarmist here very accuratly.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,116]

>A skeptic that believes in global warming?

It is really very simple. Skeptics, in general, DO "believe in global warming." They are part of that 97% that acknowledges that the Earth is warming and mankind is the primary reason. Deniers don't believe that.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>A skeptic that believes in global warming?

It is really very simple. Skeptics, in general, DO "believe in global warming." They are part of that 97% that acknowledges that the Earth is warming and mankind is the primary reason. Deniers don't believe that.

You did not read it did you? He speaks to 97% bs.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,116]

>You did not read it did you?

Oh, I did - and I agree with much of what he says.

He is a skeptic - he disagrees with some of the second order effects, like cloud-albedo feedback. This leads to disagreements concerning the overall sensitivity. He does not deny that we are increasing the temperature of the planet with our CO2 emissions, nor does he deny that there might be bad results from this - so he is not a denier.

Indeed, here are a few statements he's made that you have repeatedly and consistently denied:

He agrees "on well established methods to estimate how greenhouse gases absorb and emit heat, and that doubling of CO2 will reduce the heat leaving the planet by a little more than 3.5 watts per square meter."

He agrees "on how much the average surface will warm to make up for this heat loss: about 1 C (1.8 F)" when considered alone.

So are you now changing your tune, and admitting that we are warming the planet with our emissions?

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>You did not read it did you?

Oh, I did - and I agree with much of what he says.

He is a skeptic - he disagrees with some of the second order effects, like cloud-albedo feedback. This leads to disagreements concerning the overall sensitivity. He does not deny that we are increasing the temperature of the planet with our CO2 emissions, nor does he deny that there might be bad results from this - so he is not a denier.

Indeed, here are a few statements he's made that you have repeatedly and consistently denied:

He agrees "on well established methods to estimate how greenhouse gases absorb and emit heat, and that doubling of CO2 will reduce the heat leaving the planet by a little more than 3.5 watts per square meter."

He agrees "on how much the average surface will warm to make up for this heat loss: about 1 C (1.8 F)" when considered alone.

So are you now changing your tune, and admitting that we are warming the planet with our emissions?

He also stated the 97% consensus story is bs

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,116]

>He also stated the 97% consensus story is bs

No, he didn't. Read the article.

[rushmc 23]

I did

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A skeptic that believes in global warming? How can that be? We have been told that climate skeptics, sometime incorrectly called “deniers”, still believe the earth is flat and disagree with 97% of scientists. Well, first of all, most of us have seen a globe and know what it represents. Second, do you know on what these scientists agree? If not, don’t feel bad. Those making these claims, mostly politicians, probably don’t know either. Actually, a rather poor survey was done looking at a summary of many technical papers. If any one of many climate related points were made, they were put in the 97% camp. This article would probably have qualified too.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,116]

>If any one of many climate related points were made, they were put in the 97% camp.

Incorrect. This is the exact criteria they used for inclusion in that 97%: "Humans are contributing more than 50% of global warming, consistent with the 2007 IPCC statement that most of the global warming since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations."

>This article would probably have qualified too.

Correct, since the author accepts that most climate change has come from humans. Do you agree with them?

[JohnnyMarko 1]

This thread is adorable

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>If any one of many climate related points were made, they were put in the 97% camp.

Incorrect. This is the exact criteria they used for inclusion in that 97%: "Humans are contributing more than 50% of global warming, consistent with the 2007 IPCC statement that most of the global warming since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations."

>This article would probably have qualified too.

Correct, since the author accepts that most climate change has come from humans. Do you agree with them?

You can parse it anyway you want however, it is clear he thinks the 97% claim is bogus

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Translation: I have made up my mind and no fact will ever change it.

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

Translation: I have made up my mind and no fact will ever change it.

Just the fact that I posted the link in this thread and stated I can listen to him shows you comment here to be bs

you asked me what would change my mind
I gave you three of four issues I have with the alarmism. There are more
It appears YOU are the one with a closed mind

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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you asked me what would change my mind

No, that is not what I asked.

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

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you asked me what would change my mind

No, that is not what I asked.

Science is settled? Change my mind?

MEH


Again
You are are the closed minded one here

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Science is settled? Change my mind?

MEH

You may change your mind when you consider the science settled, but that doesn't mean that the science is settled when you change your mind.

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You are are the closed minded one here

Says the guy who will consider science settled when he changes his mind.

[billvon 3,116]

>You can parse it anyway you want . . . .

The author states that he accepts that most climate change has come from humans. Do you agree with him?

[kallend 2,148]

Here's nice, PEER REVIEWED, study by reputable climate scientists, and not filtered through any opinion piece.

www.nature.com/articles/nclimate2617.epdf?referrer_access_token=9d2OGvG6QQFh_Wyj63tcJNRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0MiqNJsr0khJzfLkhisC13QcS45BnWyX1giYD8vtOz3-32cIQvSr5zhZ8TEbWqeucyo_dVT-x0IRyT6svDejhNybbZaY4wbtX9J_QiHuCjvKSU3gSV5RvMVQgKOoJA2nrFlamiTf_TrNX3ca6LkdpDEYyz88IQFa4qFj2Da2qYRmp2cY6m08HfljGgF6Hxt6X26RcHV96ei4KBTAhoe5OBd

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>You can parse it anyway you want . . . .

The author states that he accepts that most climate change has come from humans. Do you agree with him?

Not to the level he goes
Some effect? Maybe
Regardless, the changes you would push will do littl to nothing
Again
I am not against anything you like
I just dont think it has enough effect to push it on everyone

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

kallend

Here's nice, PEER REVIEWED, study by reputable climate scientists, and not filtered through any opinion piece.

www.nature.com/articles/nclimate2617.epdf?referrer_access_token=9d2OGvG6QQFh_Wyj63tcJNRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0MiqNJsr0khJzfLkhisC13QcS45BnWyX1giYD8vtOz3-32cIQvSr5zhZ8TEbWqeucyo_dVT-x0IRyT6svDejhNybbZaY4wbtX9J_QiHuCjvKSU3gSV5RvMVQgKOoJA2nrFlamiTf_TrNX3ca6LkdpDEYyz88IQFa4qFj2Da2qYRmp2cY6m08HfljGgF6Hxt6X26RcHV96ei4KBTAhoe5OBd

I too have posted peer reviewed papers
That YOU did not like or accept

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>You can parse it anyway you want . . . .

The author states that he accepts that most climate change has come from humans. Do you agree with him?

And he still calls eveyone out on the 97% bs

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,116]

>Not to the level he goes

OK, so you disagree with the author. Fair enough. (To be expected; he is a skeptic, not a denier.)

[lawrocket 3]

kallend

Here's nice, PEER REVIEWED, study by reputable climate scientists, and not filtered through any opinion piece.

www.nature.com/articles/nclimate2617.epdf?referrer_access_token=9d2OGvG6QQFh_Wyj63tcJNRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0MiqNJsr0khJzfLkhisC13QcS45BnWyX1giYD8vtOz3-32cIQvSr5zhZ8TEbWqeucyo_dVT-x0IRyT6svDejhNybbZaY4wbtX9J_QiHuCjvKSU3gSV5RvMVQgKOoJA2nrFlamiTf_TrNX3ca6LkdpDEYyz88IQFa4qFj2Da2qYRmp2cY6m08HfljGgF6Hxt6X26RcHV96ei4KBTAhoe5OBd

Interesting study. At present time extreme rainfall events are primarily attributable to natural causes. But the majority of extreme daytime high temperatures are anthropogenic.

This is big trouble for the alarmists because not only are floods primarily natural but extreme rainfall events are not linked to higher temperatures. Meaning thirty years of pronouncements or extreme flooding goes down the drain.

Don't you love it when settled science becomes unsettled?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>Not to the level he goes

OK, so you disagree with the author. Fair enough. (To be expected; he is a skeptic, not a denier.)

and you are an alarmist
So what is your point?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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and you are an alarmist

Can you explain why Bill is an alarmist? Other than that he doesn't agree with you?

Has he made any specific predictions that called for alarm? Has he agreed with anybody who made predictions cause for alarm?

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

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and you are an alarmist

Can you explain why Bill is an alarmist? Other than that he doesn't agree with you?

Has he made any specific predictions that called for alarm? Has he agreed with anybody who made predictions cause for alarm?

Why am I a denier just because he doesnt agree with me?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln