RonD1120 62 #151 April 25, 2015 They had faith in Christ.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #152 April 25, 2015 RonD1120But, He only provided healing to certain individuals. That is, you had to have faith to qualify. This is not supported in the Bible. He walked up to individuals, administered no test of faith, simply healed them.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #153 April 25, 2015 RonD1120They had faith in Christ. How would that be even vaguely possible? They didn't even know who he was yet.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #154 April 25, 2015 RonD1120But, He only provided healing to certain individuals. That is, you had to have faith to qualify. Now how does that compare to socialized medicine? You made that up. There's no evidence that he was selective in that way.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #155 April 25, 2015 Luke 8: 48 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace. 49 While he yet spake, there cometh one from the ruler of the synagogue's house, saying, Thy daughter is dead; trouble not the Teacher. 50 But Jesus hearing it, answered him, Fear not: only believe, and she shall be made whole. I am extrapolating from these verses. That may be a stretch. Preachers use this frequently. I believe that people went up to Him in faith. Without faith they would have most likely just gone about their business.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #156 April 25, 2015 RonD1120Luke 8: 48 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace. 49 While he yet spake, there cometh one from the ruler of the synagogue's house, saying, Thy daughter is dead; trouble not the Teacher. 50 But Jesus hearing it, answered him, Fear not: only believe, and she shall be made whole. I am extrapolating from these verses. That may be a stretch. Preachers use this frequently. I believe that people went up to Him in faith. Without faith they would have most likely just gone about their business. Of course, modern medicine uses placebos in clinical trials to avoid this kind of error.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #157 April 25, 2015 And Christ uses modern medicine and Christian physicians. It's all good.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #158 April 25, 2015 RonD1120And Christ uses modern medicine and Christian physicians. It's all good. Lot of Hindu physicians around here. Jews and Muslims too. And atheists to act as control. I don't believe any difference in outcomes has been noted.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #159 April 25, 2015 RonD1120 I believe that people went up to Him in faith. Without faith they would have most likely just gone about their business. Much like those in Nazareth... Coming to his hometown, he began teaching the people in their synagogue, and they were amazed. “Where did this man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers?” they asked. Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Aren’t all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?” And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town and in his own home.” And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #160 April 25, 2015 A Christian can petition God to guide a Hindu or for that matter an atheist physician.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #161 April 25, 2015 Thanks. I knew there was better example but couldn't think of it at the moment.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #162 April 25, 2015 RonD1120A Christian can petition God to guide a Hindu or for that matter an atheist physician. So what about when a Hindu doctor heals a Buddhist patient?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #163 April 25, 2015 RonD1120A Christian can petition God to guide a Hindu or for that matter an atheist physician. So let me get this straight... A person can pray for God to mind control another person's actions? Well, I guess they can ask.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #164 April 25, 2015 quade***A Christian can petition God to guide a Hindu or for that matter an atheist physician. So let me get this straight... A person can pray for God to mind control another person's actions? Well, I guess they can ask. Sure. And when all goes well and the patient recovers, it's all because "God Answered My Prayers." When it goes bad and the patient dies or suffers serious complications, then it's because that unbelieving doctor wasn't open to the "Grace of God" C'mon, this is basic self deception/religion."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #165 April 25, 2015 wolfriverjoe when all goes well and the patient recovers, it's all because "God Answered My Prayers." When it goes bad and the patient dies or suffers serious complications, then it's because that unbelieving doctor wasn't open to the "Grace of God" C'mon, this is basic self deception/religion. I don't think you'll get any argument from us against the deception of religion, but your whole thing about not being "open to the grace of God" seems to be somewhat of a straw man...I'm not really familiar with that idea, but perhaps you may have heard it during your youth or on the internet somewhere? ...but whatever, fair enough.... The thing that disturbs me the most is that many today seem to deny the innate concept of God based on another person's perception or behavior, rather than exploring if for themselves...Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #166 April 25, 2015 quade***But, He only provided healing to certain individuals. That is, you had to have faith to qualify. This is not supported in the Bible. He walked up to individuals, administered no test of faith, simply healed them. you mean he just did it on his own? voluntarily? that's crazy!! he must really hate the poor and minorities. Because, as a good liberals, he should have had his services hijacked by Caesar so he could only administer to those the government chose - and paid for by taxes by others I don't think socialism has any part of, or monopoly on, individuals choosing to help each other as per person choice for action. It's pretty close to the opposite. Maybe idealized communism....or idealized libertarianism. certainly not part or complete socialism - not as the left is advocating today. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #167 April 25, 2015 Coreeece *** when all goes well and the patient recovers, it's all because "God Answered My Prayers." When it goes bad and the patient dies or suffers serious complications, then it's because that unbelieving doctor wasn't open to the "Grace of God" C'mon, this is basic self deception/religion. I don't think you'll get any argument from us against the deception of religion... I don't think I phrased that correctly, lol......and no, it wasn't a Freudian slip.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #168 April 26, 2015 It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #169 April 26, 2015 normissIt's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now. Personally, I don't know wtf you're talking about....so when you post your idiotic one-liners, I just refer to your PM - attached.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #170 April 26, 2015 QuotePersonally, I don't know wtf you're talking about....so when you post your idiotic one-liners, I just refer to your PM - attached. Don't let that bother you, he doesn't know wtf he's talking about either. He's just a "Talking Head"-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #171 April 26, 2015 quade***But, He only provided healing to certain individuals. That is, you had to have faith to qualify. This is not supported in the Bible. He walked up to individuals, administered no test of faith, simply healed them. All that faith healing was overrated at best. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #172 April 26, 2015 Coreeece***It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now. Personally, I don't know wtf you're talking about....so when you post your idiotic one-liners, I just refer to your PM - attached. Kids! www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOmD-xqK2Es... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #173 April 26, 2015 No room for humor here. We are being talked down to again about the lack of belief in invisible beings. While breaking forum rules. Posting a half of an insulting and attacking exchange in pm. Classy. Like the pm that prompted the one he shared. Children. To say the least. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #174 April 26, 2015 normiss No room for humor here. We are being talked down to again about the lack of belief in invisible beings. While breaking forum rules. Posting a half of an insulting and attacking exchange in pm. Classy. Like the pm that prompted the one he shared. Children. To say the least. OK, but not sure why I get the tongue-out emoticon from you.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #175 April 26, 2015 >So, you know the problem. Why did you rag on me? Because your statement was hypocritical. Once again, you state that something is disrespectful - but it's OK when you do it because it's hard to do it right. I have come to expect that of you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
