Andy9o8 2 #51 April 22, 2015 GoneCodFishing(to lawrocket) So what did YOU do to deserve reparation? He and his parents paid taxes which provide the US's lopsided participation in NATO's considerable role in the security umbrella which protects the UK (and the rest of Western Europe) , at the expense of any meaningful universal health care system in the US, so that citizens of the UK (and the rest of Western Europe) could retain enough assets to fund their own national health care systems. Oh, and I think he filled out some kind of application. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #52 April 22, 2015 GoneCodFishingSo what did YOU do to deserve reparation? That's a very good question and an important one. But before I answer it let us take a step back and ask what haven't I or any other similarly situated American done? We Americans have a long history of facing the tough questions and issues of our time. Sadly, this has been lost over the last several years in smoke and obfuscation. What we need is to get solid answers now, not later, and provide solutions that are the best for everybody. This is why I have appointed a committee to consider new ideas that go beyond the usual way of business. Because we, as Americans, deserve better. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #53 April 22, 2015 kallend More, on topic: www.nytimes.com/2015/04/21/opinion/fix-the-flaws-in-forensic-science.html?&moduleDetail=section-news-0&action=click&contentCollection=Opinion®ion=Footer&module=MoreInSection&pgtype=article Then, several years ago, three men from the Washington area — Kirk Odom, Santae Tribble and Donald Gates — were exonerated in separate cases. They had served more than 70 years in prison in total. In each case, F.B.I. examiners had told juries that the defendant’s hair matched hair at the crime scene, based on microscopic hair analysis. One prosecutor put the odds at perhaps one in 10 million that the hairs belonged to someone other than the defendant. (In fact, subsequent DNA testing found that none of the hair samples matched the defendant, and that one was from a dog.) ... To its credit, the Justice Department reached an agreement with the Innocence Project to review F.B.I. testimony about hair analysis in more than 2,500 cases in more than 40 states from 1985 to 1999. The results of the first 268 cases examined were reported Sunday in The Washington Post. The review found that F.B.I. testimony was fundamentally flawed in 257 of those cases — a stunning 96 percent of the total. Of those defendants, 33 received the death penalty and nine have been executed so far. Although the errors don’t necessarily mean the defendants are innocent — other evidence might have supported conviction — the F.B.I. plans to notify prosecutors and prisoners of the findings. Well at least the science is finally settled...Perhaps we'll learn not to trust them so blindly...Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #54 April 22, 2015 lawrocket ***So what did YOU do to deserve reparation? That's a very good question and an important one.. I expect the reparations for the cost of fighting the French and Indian Wars without recompense, plus compound interest for some 250 years, will just about cover the cost of your reparations.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #55 April 22, 2015 kallend ******So what did YOU do to deserve reparation? That's a very good question and an important one.. I expect the reparations for the cost of fighting the French and Indian Wars without recompense, plus compound interest for some 250 years, will just about cover the cost of your reparations.I need some reparations for being persecuted by your wonderful king, forcing us to board the mayflower and head for Plymouth rock.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #56 April 22, 2015 turtlespeed *********So what did YOU do to deserve reparation? That's a very good question and an important one.. I expect the reparations for the cost of fighting the French and Indian Wars without recompense, plus compound interest for some 250 years, will just about cover the cost of your reparations.I need some reparations for being persecuted by your wonderful king, forcing us to board the mayflower and head for Plymouth rock. Read a little history and you'll discover it was the Puritans who did the persecuting. Continued it in the colony too. Hanged a bunch of harmless ladies IIRC, and tortured (by crushing) one guy to death.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #57 April 22, 2015 lawrocketI demand reparations from Britain. Hundreds of thousands of American casualties and buy billion of dollars of equipment lost by defending Britain. You're still confused about the timeline. Britain was no longer a target when the US entered the war, and American logistical assistance up to that point was bought and paid for.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #58 April 22, 2015 jakee***I demand reparations from Britain. Hundreds of thousands of American casualties and buy billion of dollars of equipment lost by defending Britain. You're still confused about the timeline. Britain was no longer a target when the US entered the war, and American logistical assistance up to that point was bought and paid for. Never mind that many businesses and banks had no problem doing business with the Nazis at the same time. They weren't helping anybody, they were just making money. Now the conveniently forget that they "helped" the nazis, but they like to play up how much they "helped" the British. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #59 April 22, 2015 jakee***I demand reparations from Britain. Hundreds of thousands of American casualties and buy billion of dollars of equipment lost by defending Britain. You're still confused about the timeline. Britain was no longer a target when the US entered the war, and American logistical assistance up to that point was bought and paid for. Okay. I'll admit that I'm still hung up about the Limeys burning th e white House during the War of 1812. We never got solid revenge for that, short of using England as a staging area to beat the Germans. For which we are grateful. But let us do something like fuck up the London Bridge. Dammit. We have that, too. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #60 April 22, 2015 kallend ************So what did YOU do to deserve reparation? That's a very good question and an important one.. I expect the reparations for the cost of fighting the French and Indian Wars without recompense, plus compound interest for some 250 years, will just about cover the cost of your reparations.I need some reparations for being persecuted by your wonderful king, forcing us to board the mayflower and head for Plymouth rock. Read a little history and you'll discover it was the Puritans who did the persecuting. Continued it in the colony too. Hanged a bunch of harmless ladies IIRC, and tortured (by crushing) one guy to death. Separatists left because the king of England controlled the Church of England.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #61 April 22, 2015 turtlespeed ***************So what did YOU do to deserve reparation? That's a very good question and an important one.. I expect the reparations for the cost of fighting the French and Indian Wars without recompense, plus compound interest for some 250 years, will just about cover the cost of your reparations.I need some reparations for being persecuted by your wonderful king, forcing us to board the mayflower and head for Plymouth rock. Read a little history and you'll discover it was the Puritans who did the persecuting. Continued it in the colony too. Hanged a bunch of harmless ladies IIRC, and tortured (by crushing) one guy to death. Separatists left because the king of England controlled the Church of England. Until Cromwell... and then the New Model Army was quite astute at persecuting everyone else... not like them. Lots of Convert or DIE... sound familiar??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #62 April 22, 2015 turtlespeed ***************So what did YOU do to deserve reparation? That's a very good question and an important one.. I expect the reparations for the cost of fighting the French and Indian Wars without recompense, plus compound interest for some 250 years, will just about cover the cost of your reparations.I need some reparations for being persecuted by your wonderful king, forcing us to board the mayflower and head for Plymouth rock. Read a little history and you'll discover it was the Puritans who did the persecuting. Continued it in the colony too. Hanged a bunch of harmless ladies IIRC, and tortured (by crushing) one guy to death. Separatists left because the king of England controlled the Church of England. In no way contradicts my statement. The Puritans were a bunch of nasty bastards who were pissed that they could no longer impose their beliefs on others. So they went to the colonies where they could still hang nice old ladies for witchcraft.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #63 April 22, 2015 Amazon ******************So what did YOU do to deserve reparation? That's a very good question and an important one.. I expect the reparations for the cost of fighting the French and Indian Wars without recompense, plus compound interest for some 250 years, will just about cover the cost of your reparations.I need some reparations for being persecuted by your wonderful king, forcing us to board the mayflower and head for Plymouth rock. Read a little history and you'll discover it was the Puritans who did the persecuting. Continued it in the colony too. Hanged a bunch of harmless ladies IIRC, and tortured (by crushing) one guy to death. Separatists left because the king of England controlled the Church of England. Until Cromwell... and then the New Model Army was quite astute at persecuting everyone else... not like them. Lots of Convert or DIE... sound familiar??? Cromwell was a Puritan. QED.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #64 April 23, 2015 kallend *********************So what did YOU do to deserve reparation? That's a very good question and an important one.. I expect the reparations for the cost of fighting the French and Indian Wars without recompense, plus compound interest for some 250 years, will just about cover the cost of your reparations.I need some reparations for being persecuted by your wonderful king, forcing us to board the mayflower and head for Plymouth rock. Read a little history and you'll discover it was the Puritans who did the persecuting. Continued it in the colony too. Hanged a bunch of harmless ladies IIRC, and tortured (by crushing) one guy to death. Separatists left because the king of England controlled the Church of England. Until Cromwell... and then the New Model Army was quite astute at persecuting everyone else... not like them. Lots of Convert or DIE... sound familiar??? Cromwell was a Puritan. QED. I know that John..... and one of the reasons more than a few of my family lines fled England..... which was better than how Cromwell's "Christians" sent several other orphans who survived the loss of their entire families and founded their own family lines after surviving the trip from Ireland to Barbados at the age of 7 and 10 respectively and then sold as slaves there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #65 April 23, 2015 WHat is lost in all of this is that the FBI basically manufactured new science to help get LEO and prosecutors convictions. Nobody will go to jail over this. A government agency invented science to help put innocent people in jail, to kill innocent people, yet there will be no repercussions. Crime labs answer to prosecutors. In same cases crime labs are compensated based on the number of convictions they get. So much for that freedom.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #66 April 23, 2015 I wonder if a defense attorney would be allowed to bring that up on the stand. "So Mr. crime lab analyst how is your company compensated?" Might cast some doubt in a jurors mind if he knew the lab was not independent but actually worked for the prosecuterYou can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #67 April 25, 2015 Excellent article at The Intercept about the pseudo-science that gets passed off as "forensic science": https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/04/24/badforensics/ And here is the PBS Frontline episode "The Real CSI" that exposed this three years ago:http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/real-csi/"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
