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[Amazon 7]

A pursuit on horseback ends with a man getting tased, then punched and repeatedly kicked by sheriff deputies, KNBC reports

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/report-man-tased-beaten-by-deputies/vi-AAaFFwN?ocid=mailsignout

[Kadde 0]

I have to laugh at the way they come "running" like pinguins and join in on the kicking only so that they can be a part of the gang.
Same mentality that keeps them from reporting each other even when its not a groupbeating.

[masterrig 1]

I saw that on the news this morning and my wife, who is retired from law enforcement was thoroughly disgusted with the deputies actions. I agree, there is no excuse for what they did. We're trying to figure out the increase in law enforcement actions anymore. Is it lack of training? Badge heavy? Beating suspects for no good reason, shooting suspects in the back while they run away? What the hell!


Chuck

[Hjeada 0]

masterrig

I saw that on the news this morning and my wife, who is retired from law enforcement was thoroughly disgusted with the deputies actions. I agree, there is no excuse for what they did. We're trying to figure out the increase in law enforcement actions anymore. Is it lack of training? Badge heavy? Beating suspects for no good reason, shooting suspects in the back while they run away? What the hell!


Chuck

Lots and lots of disturbing behavior by LEO's, and it's been going on for a really long time. I don't understand the mentality...suspect running, gets down on the ground arm and legs out (obviously surrendering), now, let's beat the hell out of him...WTF?

Dudeist Skydiver #0511

[skycop 0]

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Lots and lots of disturbing behavior by LEO's, and it's been going on for a really long time. I don't understand the mentality...suspect running, gets down on the ground arm and legs out (obviously surrendering), now, let's beat the hell out of him...WTF?

Because they are pissed, if they can't control themselves after a chase because they are pissed, they are no better than the people they are chasing.

These dumbasses are using up the capital the rest of us build up everyday.

Like I've said before, I'll call a spade a spade. This is no different than Rodney King. Once there is that much of a numbers advantage in that close, there is no reason to hit the guy. These deputies are going to get jammed up, and for good reason.

I've been in a shitload of chases and fights, there is no excuse for this type of behavior.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[wmw999 2,583]

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no better than the people they are chasing

i heard something today that made a whole lot of sense. It's the whole feeling of "we're not them" that helps to engender this separation between police and "the genpop."
Police, welcome to your fellow human beings. You can't expect us all to be perfect, just as we can't expect all of you to be perfect. But as long as you make it clear that you expect the worst, it'll be a whole lot easier to interpret whatever we do that way, and a whole lot easier for us to say to ourselves "fuckit" and just behave that way.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[skycop 0]

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Police, welcome to your fellow human beings. You can't expect us all to be perfect, just as we can't expect all of you to be perfect. But as long as you make it clear that you expect the worst, it'll be a whole lot easier to interpret whatever we do that way, and a whole lot easier for us to say to ourselves "fuckit" and just behave that way.

When you constantly deal with the dark, negative side of human nature, it's extremely hard and takes a conscious effort not to do that.
That's what makes a good cop, not doing that as a default. It's extremely hard not to lose a bit of your humanity when dealing with some really, really bad things.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[Boomerdog 0]

I was enjoying an Easter Sunday breakfast in Gettysburg in a restaurant right across the street from the National Cemetery. So there's a guy and a gal in the next booth and he's talking about his cop days and now that he's retired, he can say "this, that and the other." By his estimates, 3% of the cops nation wide are dirtbags who should not be wearing a badge. Even at 3%, that's not an ignorable number.

That "something's gotta give" is more like "something's gonna give" if this crap keeps up. Yea the dirtbags are ruining it for the rest of you but a large part of that solution is in your hands and your fellow cops of like mind. One bad apple in the barrel has an inductive effect which means the rot spreads when nothing is done.

This of course means either the good cops are going to band together and do something about this mess to a resolution everyone can live with OR someone is going to come in and make decisions for you of which you and everyone else is not going to like.

[skycop 0]

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This of course means either the good cops are going to band together and do something about this mess to a resolution everyone can live with OR someone is going to come in and make decisions for you of which you and everyone else is not going to like.

Your prose as always, is ever enlightening.

I think perhaps you should change your username to:

Captain Obvious

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[masterrig 1]

Hjeada

***I saw that on the news this morning and my wife, who is retired from law enforcement was thoroughly disgusted with the deputies actions. I agree, there is no excuse for what they did. We're trying to figure out the increase in law enforcement actions anymore. Is it lack of training? Badge heavy? Beating suspects for no good reason, shooting suspects in the back while they run away? What the hell!


Chuck

Lots and lots of disturbing behavior by LEO's, and it's been going on for a really long time. I don't understand the mentality...suspect running, gets down on the ground arm and legs out (obviously surrendering), now, let's beat the hell out of him...WTF?

They probably didn't realize that horse theft is a hangin' offense. Seriously, I believe that due to the fact that many cities are experiencing a shortage of police officers and the result is too many 'loose cannons' are being trained and sworn-in. I recently heard that some state trooper academies are being shortened so as to get more applicants. Right there is a problem. Bottom line, it appears to be difficult getting good police officers and the departments are 'adjusting' for that and taking their chances.


Chuck

[Boomerdog 0]

I retired at a higher rank than that and apparently it's not obvious or something would have at least been done by now don't ya think?

[billvon 3,107]

A quick guide to surviving bear police attacks:
http://i.imgur.com/iUwFU8I.jpg

[masterrig 1]

Hjeada

***I saw that on the news this morning and my wife, who is retired from law enforcement was thoroughly disgusted with the deputies actions. I agree, there is no excuse for what they did. We're trying to figure out the increase in law enforcement actions anymore. Is it lack of training? Badge heavy? Beating suspects for no good reason, shooting suspects in the back while they run away? What the hell!


Chuck

Lots and lots of disturbing behavior by LEO's, and it's been going on for a really long time. I don't understand the mentality...suspect running, gets down on the ground arm and legs out (obviously surrendering), now, let's beat the hell out of him...WTF?

The part that gets me about the guy who was shot in the back and killed by that cop is, there was no justifiable reason for it. If the cop couldn't out-run the guy and couldn't taze him... let him go! The guy's fingerprints were probably all over that Mercedez, if the cops didn't mess them up. The guy never showed a weapon of any kind, he just ran. If the work is done correctly and diligently, the cops would've gotten him at a later date. To me, it was out and out murder.


Chuck

[skycop 0]

Nice,
I really enjoyed the racial component, because moral outrage seems to be a purely one sided racial thing apparently.

I expected better, your analogies have sucked recently, now playing the race card.

Normally you post here with wit and logic, lately not so much...........

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[Amazon 7]

billvon

A quick guide to surviving bear police attacks:
http://i.imgur.com/iUwFU8I.jpg

I think some of the guys here handle bears quite well

[RMK 3]

Here's some additional advice from Chris Rock:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2plo4FOgIU

"Pain is the best instructor, but no one wants to attend his classes"

[skycop 0]

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They probably didn't realize that horse theft is a hangin' offense. Seriously, I believe that due to the fact that many cities are experiencing a shortage of police officers and the result is too many 'loose cannons' are being trained and sworn-in. I recently heard that some state trooper academies are being shortened so as to get more applicants. Right there is a problem. Bottom line, it appears to be difficult getting good police officers and the departments are 'adjusting' for that and taking their chances.

There are many factors I guess, we (the old salts) have been talking about this a lot recently.

We are getting better educated recruits, but not so street savvy ones. We have also seen a trend of the academy being very hesitant to fail recruits, for a number of reasons. The main two being money and potential legal issues. Makes no sense to us, but we have seen it happen.

We also discussed the current benefit/retirement changes in many states. Departments are starting to lose people because in some places there is no longer a defined benefit plan. There is no carrot at the end to get good people to stay. I was one of those people, I kind of fell into police work. I knew if I stayed and put up with all the bullshit there was a benefit at the end of the tunnel. It was a factor in why I chose what I did, I had many other options.

Now some good people stay a few years to pad their resume or they are involved in a critical incident and just say "fuck it, I don't need or can't deal with this shit anymore" and leave, there is no incentive to stay.

There are good paying jobs (not necessarily in safety/security) in the private sector where police experience is beneficial and even sought after.

If I had the answer I'd be a rich guy, these things have been cyclical throughout my career. I've been through several, this will pass but it is no less painful than the previous ones.

What we do is honorable, there is no honor in these two latest instances. IMHO

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[masterrig 1]

skycop

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They probably didn't realize that horse theft is a hangin' offense. Seriously, I believe that due to the fact that many cities are experiencing a shortage of police officers and the result is too many 'loose cannons' are being trained and sworn-in. I recently heard that some state trooper academies are being shortened so as to get more applicants. Right there is a problem. Bottom line, it appears to be difficult getting good police officers and the departments are 'adjusting' for that and taking their chances.

There are many factors I guess, we (the old salts) have been talking about this a lot recently.

We are getting better educated recruits, but not so street savvy ones. We have also seen a trend of the academy being very hesitant to fail recruits, for a number of reasons. The main two being money and potential legal issues. Makes no sense to us, but we have seen it happen.

We also discussed the current benefit/retirement changes in many states. Departments are starting to lose people because in some places there is no longer a defined benefit plan. There is no carrot at the end to get good people to stay. I was one of those people, I kind of fell into police work. I knew if I stayed and put up with all the bullshit there was a benefit at the end of the tunnel. It was a factor in why I chose what I did, I had many other options.

Now some good people stay a few years to pad their resume or they are involved in a critical incident and just say "fuck it, I don't need or can't deal with this shit anymore" and leave, there is no incentive to stay.

There are good paying jobs (not necessarily in safety/security) in the private sector where police experience is beneficial and even sought after.

If I had the answer I'd be a rich guy, these things have been cyclical throughout my career. I've been through several, this will pass but it is no less painful than the previous ones.

What we do is honorable, there is no honor in these two latest instances. IMHO

I fully understand what you said. I think, a lot of people go into law enforcement with visions of grandeur. Like you said, they lack 'street smarts' and you don't learn that at the academy. You learn it by 'living' it. There is a lot of pressure from the public to be protected and this seems to put police agencies in the position to sometimes take what they can get. A lot of pressure is like you said too, the possibility of law suits. It's not an easy career choice and some less qualified people are going to fall through the cracks.
The most recent incident points that out. Anyone with any common sense would know better than to shoot an un-armed person, running away. There was enough evidence to find-out who the guy was and get him later. Just a sad deal that should not have happened.


Chuck

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The most dangerous gang in America attacks again.

cavete terrae.

[skycop 0]

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I retired at a higher rank

That speak volumes, if your posts are any indication, I'd be one of the SNCO's rolling his eyes after a long winded speech.
Then translate after the troops would ask "what the fuck did he just say?".................

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[kallend 2,146]

Boomerdog

I retired at a higher rank than that and apparently it's not obvious or something would have at least been done by now don't ya think?

Admiral? Cool!

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masterrig

******I saw that on the news this morning and my wife, who is retired from law enforcement was thoroughly disgusted with the deputies actions. I agree, there is no excuse for what they did. We're trying to figure out the increase in law enforcement actions anymore. Is it lack of training? Badge heavy? Beating suspects for no good reason, shooting suspects in the back while they run away? What the hell!


Chuck

Lots and lots of disturbing behavior by LEO's, and it's been going on for a really long time. I don't understand the mentality...suspect running, gets down on the ground arm and legs out (obviously surrendering), now, let's beat the hell out of him...WTF?

The part that gets me about the guy who was shot in the back and killed by that cop is, there was no justifiable reason for it. If the cop couldn't out-run the guy and couldn't taze him... let him go! The guy's fingerprints were probably all over that Mercedez, if the cops didn't mess them up. The guy never showed a weapon of any kind, he just ran. If the work is done correctly and diligently, the cops would've gotten him at a later date. To me, it was out and out murder.


Chuck

That "warrior mentality" precludes that....... Ruby Ridge.....Waco.....and hundreds of others, all need not have occurred... there is a warrant.... great.... use some grey matter and be smarter in making the arrest at a better time and place

[masterrig 1]

Amazon

*********I saw that on the news this morning and my wife, who is retired from law enforcement was thoroughly disgusted with the deputies actions. I agree, there is no excuse for what they did. We're trying to figure out the increase in law enforcement actions anymore. Is it lack of training? Badge heavy? Beating suspects for no good reason, shooting suspects in the back while they run away? What the hell!


Chuck

Lots and lots of disturbing behavior by LEO's, and it's been going on for a really long time. I don't understand the mentality...suspect running, gets down on the ground arm and legs out (obviously surrendering), now, let's beat the hell out of him...WTF?

The part that gets me about the guy who was shot in the back and killed by that cop is, there was no justifiable reason for it. If the cop couldn't out-run the guy and couldn't taze him... let him go! The guy's fingerprints were probably all over that Mercedez, if the cops didn't mess them up. The guy never showed a weapon of any kind, he just ran. If the work is done correctly and diligently, the cops would've gotten him at a later date. To me, it was out and out murder.


Chuck

That "warrior mentality" precludes that....... Ruby Ridge.....Waco.....and hundreds of others, all need not have occurred... there is a warrant.... great.... use some grey matter and be smarter in making the arrest at a better time and place

I was always told the police were smarter than the bad guys. I have a few questions on that topic!


Chuck

[sfzombie13 324]

not true. the warrior mentality is to take care of those who cannot take care of themselves...pawo. the thug mentality is to shoot it out or use violence as a means to an end. a true warrior tries at all costs to avoid violence.

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[JerryBaumchen 1,462]

Hi sky,

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I really enjoyed the racial component

I have read nearly all of your posts on this site, and agree with just about everything that you have posted.

I read Bill's attachment in its entirety and do not see any 'racial component.'

I would guess that we read things differently.

I have never met Bill, but from his postings here, I seriously doubt that he has any racist tendencies.

Jerry Baumchen