rushmc 23 #51 April 17, 2015 SkyDekkerQuoteAnd in the end the issue is not really if it is warming or not correct? The issue really is, is man affecting this Just to argue whether the temp is changing or not does not address the issue Look at the temp changes over time that these researchers came up with. Did man affect all of these? We know the answer to this So If temps have changed in the past, how can you or anyone, say without doubt, that man is changing how temps change??????? Marc, I am but a simple man and am not a scientist. When an overwhelming number of actual climate scientists are convinced that man has influenced climate, I see no reason not to believe that. To me it is similar to the overwhleming number of doctors stating that smoking as bad for you. I believe them, even if there are a few doctors who claim different....and there are some lifetime smokers who die of old age. I am a simple man as well and there are just as many actual scientist who do not believe man is having any significant influence Do something for me Seperate what changes are normal climates and what you think think are man caused then explain to me why we have seen in the past, high and higher levels of CO2 in the atmosphere, as well as higher temps (when man was on the planet) and how that could happen with mans influence? Way too many unanswered issues And the observations are not supporting the alarmists science The smokers comparison is bs but go with it if you want. but I knwo why it is used It is an observation thant can be looked at in a single lifetime THAT is what the climate alarmists are trying to do and in the 70's we were headed toward and ice age and we were all about to freeze to death Wow, what changed that so fast? Claims the oceans are acidifying are now in question Claims the oceans are hiding the temps are now in question More accurate temp gathering insturments indicate there is nno significat temp increase (for the last 17 plus years) Simple man? Explain these to me"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #52 April 17, 2015 Quoteand there are just as many actual scientist who do not believe man is having any significant influence Scientists....maybe. Climate scientists, not a chance. QuoteAnd the observations are not supporting the alarmists science In some cases they certainly don't support the predictions made. But that doesn't invalidate the science. It actually helps improve it. QuoteMore accurate temp gathering insturments indicate there is nno significat temp increase (for the last 17 plus years) Regardless of the validity of your claim, 17 years is nothing more than a fraction of a fraction, of a fraction of a blink of an eye.....in fast forward. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #53 April 17, 2015 SkyDekker ***and there are just as many actual scientist who do not believe man is having any significant influence Scientists....maybe. Climate scientists, not a chance. Judith Curry, a CLIMATE scientist, recently testified before congress stating just that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #54 April 17, 2015 But he said not a chance, so despite the facts you have shown you are still wrong. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #55 April 17, 2015 >Judith Curry, a CLIMATE scientist, recently testified before congress stating just that. Yes, there are those 3%. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #56 April 17, 2015 brenthutch *** Quote and there are just as many actual scientist who do not believe man is having any significant influence Scientists....maybe. Climate scientists, not a chance. Judith Curry, a CLIMATE scientist, recently testified before congress stating just that. Judith Curry is a pariah tk the climate alarmists. She is a climate scientist. She has the credentials. And she is absolutely detested because she admits to the uncertainties and the faults and the things not understood. Far from being a denier, she is one of those who says that models don't match obsevations. She points out flaws in reasoning on all sides. She isn't told she's wrong. She is told that she is waste people's time. That she is making points that are uninteresting. And she's being subjected to the House Unamerican Climate Committee actions. Reason is that it is politics more than science. Here's the thing: when climate scientists are testifying before congress, it's political. Deciding whether to do something about climate change isn't a matter of denying whether it can be done. Climate change is like the F-35. Are people who object to funding the F-35 technology deniers? Do they deny that stealth technology exists? Do they deny that the Air Force is necessary now And in the future? Or do we oppose it because the bang for the buck isnt there? That there are other strategies that wont cost trillions? That's the debate. It's political. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #57 April 17, 2015 SkyDekkerQuoteand there are just as many actual scientist who do not believe man is having any significant influence [RED]Scientists....maybe. Climate scientists, not a chance.[/RED] ***And the observations are not supporting the alarmists science In some cases they certainly don't support the predictions made. But that doesn't invalidate the science. It actually helps improve it. QuoteMore accurate temp gathering insturments indicate there is nno significat temp increase (for the last 17 plus years) Regardless of the validity of your claim, 17 years is nothing more than a fraction of a fraction, of a fraction of a blink of an eye.....in fast forward. I think you can throw in the scientists who are tracking the loss of species.... with far more..... threatened or heading toward extinction. http://news.discovery.com/animals/endangered-species/human-caused-322-animal-extinctions-in-past-500-years-140724.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction There have been quite a few extinction events that removed large numbers of species in the past..... those were caused by a change in environment beyond the ability of the organisms ability to adapt quickly enough. We are just another species on this planet.... change it enough and we are not immune to being just another interesting layer in the geological record. Welcome to the new geological period called the We-Should-Have-Cene or the Greed Epoch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #58 April 17, 2015 SkyDekker Regardless of the validity of your claim, 17 years is nothing more than a fraction of a fraction, of a fraction of a blink of an eye.....in fast forward. Dude this is exactly what you alarmist have been doing for decades!!!!! (basing your assuptions on very few year) THIS has been my point for years only NOW you reverse it Please catch up"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #59 April 17, 2015 You alarmist? lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #60 April 17, 2015 SkyDekkerYou alarmist? lol It is what you support Climate alarmism......."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #61 April 17, 2015 rushmc***You alarmist? lol It is what you support Climate alarmism....... Uhmmm no. But I can see how in a world here everything is "us vs them" you would think that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #62 April 17, 2015 Oh oh, now we have yet another NEW study that indicates wait for it still coming RAPID climate change in the past I suppose humans caused this too? Yes, you are an alarmist http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/04/15/strong-evidence-for-rapid-climate-change-found-in-past-millenia/ QuoteStrong evidence for ‘rapid climate change’ found in past millenia QuoteFrom the University of South Carolina, comes this paper that offers strong evidence of ‘rapid climate change’ occurring within less than a thousand years, with some occurring over just decades to centuries, near the same scale that proponents of man-made climate change worry so greatly about today. So Explain to me, why I should NOT look at this and wonder about the claims of the alarmists? As this has been one of thier staple arguments since the temp change has slowed (or ended) ?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #63 April 17, 2015 I don't understand how you constantly rail against "alarmist" for using biased information, by posting from a heavily biased site. Actually, I do understand it. What I really don't understand is how you don't see how moronic it is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #64 April 17, 2015 SkyDekker******You alarmist? lol It is what you support Climate alarmism....... Uhmmm no. But I can see how in a world here everything is "us vs them" you would think that. Welcome to my world I am called a denier by Bill all the time You exempt?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #65 April 17, 2015 SkyDekkerI don't understand how you constantly rail against "alarmist" for using biased information, by posting from a heavily biased site. Actually, I do understand it. What I really don't understand is how you don't see how moronic it is. You just proven you have not looked at anything in the sight. This sight refers to links and studies from Universities and other groups It asks for debate!!!!! The last link I posted is from a study from a university How the fuck is that biased? You got universtiy studies that support your alarmism? Post them!!! So, you dont want to look and keep you head in the sand? I understand I would not want you to go against your religion After all, anything contray goes against your faith"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 895 #66 April 17, 2015 Don't you ever wonder what the red underlines actually mean? It hurts to read some of your posts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #67 April 17, 2015 normiss Don't you ever wonder what the red underlines actually mean? It hurts to read some of your posts. Does not work on this machine Locks it up"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #68 April 17, 2015 QuoteI am called a denier by Bill all the time Well, you do deny that men has any influence on climate change. I agree that man has influence on climate. I don't believe that the apocalypse will happen any time soon because of it, or that we are at or near some point of no return. In other words, I don't believe there is some great need for alarm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #69 April 17, 2015 SkyDekkerQuoteI am called a denier by Bill all the time Well, you do deny that men has any influence on climate change. I agree that man has influence on climate. I don't believe that the apocalypse will happen any time soon because of it, or that we are at or near some point of no return. In other words, I don't believe there is some great need for alarm. But, I have yet to see you argue the point for the other side I too agree there is no reason for any alarm Not the case for many here"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #70 April 17, 2015 lawrocket ****** Quote and there are just as many actual scientist who do not believe man is having any significant influence Scientists....maybe. Climate scientists, not a chance. Judith Curry, a CLIMATE scientist, recently testified before congress stating just that. Judith Curry is a pariah tk the climate alarmists. She is a climate scientist. She has the credentials. And she is absolutely detested because she admits to the uncertainties and the faults and the things not understood. Far from being a denier, she is one of those who says that models don't match obsevations. She points out flaws in reasoning on all sides. She isn't told she's wrong. She is told that she is waste people's time. That she is making points that are uninteresting. And she's being subjected to the House Unamerican Climate Committee actions. Reason is that it is politics more than science. Here's the thing: when climate scientists are testifying before congress, it's political. Deciding whether to do something about climate change isn't a matter of denying whether it can be done. Climate change is like the F-35. Are people who object to funding the F-35 technology deniers? Do they deny that stealth technology exists? Do they deny that the Air Force is necessary now And in the future? Or do we oppose it because the bang for the buck isnt there? That there are other strategies that wont cost trillions? That's the debate. It's political. Did you work for RJ Renolds back in the eighties? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #71 April 17, 2015 QuoteYou just proven you have not looked at anything in the sight. This sight refers to links and studies from Universities and other groups It asks for debate!!!!! The last link I posted is from a study from a university How the fuck is that biased? The study may or may not be biased. The editorial around it is most certainly biased. You would think you know this by now. You have been caught dozens of times posting links to studies through these websites, only to find out the study didn't actually say what the editorial claimed it did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #72 April 17, 2015 QuoteBut, I have yet to see you argue the point for the other side Why would I argue that man has no effect on climate change? I have clearly stated that I agree with that far majority of climate scientists that man does have an effect on climate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #73 April 18, 2015 I have posted this before So I will repeat Anthony Watts, who is wattsupwiththat, has the same opinion of climate change as you "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #74 April 18, 2015 SkyDekkerQuoteBut, I have yet to see you argue the point for the other side Why would I argue that man has no effect on climate change? I have clearly stated that I agree with that far majority of climate scientists that man does have an effect on climate. Just in case you are too lazy to check http://wattsupwiththat.com/about-wuwt/about2/ Interesting denier huh........"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #75 April 18, 2015 rushmc***QuoteI am called a denier by Bill all the time Well, you do deny that men has any influence on climate change. I agree that man has influence on climate. I don't believe that the apocalypse will happen any time soon because of it, or that we are at or near some point of no return. In other words, I don't believe there is some great need for alarm. But, I have yet to see you argue the point for the other side I too agree there is no reason for any alarm Not the case for many here So . . . You are either with us or against us, right?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
