OK for schools but not for their own convention

[kallend 2,146]

From The Tennessean:

The National Rifle Association will hold its annual convention April 10-12 in Nashville. Here's a breakdown of what you need to know.

6. Security

A multilevel security plan went into works not long after Nashville was chosen as the convention destination. All guns on the convention floor will be nonoperational, with the firing pins removed, and any guns purchased during the NRA convention will have to be picked up at a Federal Firearms License dealer, near where the purchaser lives, and will require a legal identification.

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[funjumper101 15]

The NRA can't trust their own highly trained members to handle guns correctly at a public event?

Guns belong everywhere, except their own convention. Really?

It would be really funny, except that it so hypocritical that it is nauseating.

[Glitch 0]

So, just to be clear....

1) The 'left' barks about the lack of some 'common sense' safety practices/rules/laws/etc...
2) Responsible folks implement some 'common sense' safety practices (especially since the venue would be a damn fine spot for a nutter lefty to make a point by waltzing in and shooting up the place...)
3) The left barks about the hipocrisy of the previously mentioned folks.

Randomly f'n thingies up since before I was born...

[Hjeada 0]

Glitch

2) Responsible folks implement some 'common sense' safety practices (especially since the venue would be a damn fine spot for a nutter lefty to make a point by waltzing in and shooting up the place...)

Bolding mine...and exactly.

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[DanG 1]

I thought only law abiding people would follow gun free zone signs, so gun free zones are ripe for mass shootings? That used to be the narrative. How will making the convention a gun free zone be any different?

- Dan G

[Glitch 0]

The convention will not a 'gun free zone'. If you think there won't be ample LEO presence ready to respond....

Randomly f'n thingies up since before I was born...

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Glitch

The convention will not a 'gun free zone'. If you think there won't be ample LEO presence ready to respond....

So LEO presence for the NRA convention is prudent....but in schools the answer is arming teachers?

The logic in this is all over the place.

I fail to understand why guns are not allowed at the NRA convention for safety reasons, but society at large should have guns for safety reasons.

One would think that if one specific group should be trusted to be armed at a convention, it would be NRA members at their annual conference.

[sfzombie13 324]

and before a shooting in el paso, one would have thought an army base was a relatively safe place also. i have always said that properly trained teachers carrying guns is a good thing, but an armed officer or two at every school would be better than that. funny how certain groups of people get to think they matter more than others when they reach a certain level of political influence...

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[lawrocket 3]

funjumper101

The NRA can't trust their own highly trained members to handle guns correctly at a public event?

Guns belong everywhere, except their own convention. Really?

It would be really funny, except that it so hypocritical that it is nauseating.

Yeah. True hypocrisy is following rules and laws. Removing firing pins from display weapons? Yeah. I'm sure you consider that to be a bad idea. After all, why have a display weapon hat can be fired inside a damned convention center? Might as well have a hours and display weapons there and shooting into fothe crowd to demonstrate?

I reckon this convention center isn't owned by the NRA. Think it has its own rules? Let's say the Oak Ridge Boys are playing a concert and firearms are prohibited. Then the next day there is an NRA convention. Do you seriously think that the owner of the facility will change its rules for he NRA? If that place did, I'm sure you'd be blasting about how the NRA expects and gets special treatment.

Tennessee has its own rules. As does he facility. And Nashville. That the NRA is respecting laws is something hat is anathema to a good liberal. Maybe the NRA should have done and Occupy Nashville and came armed to the teeth as a protest demonstration.

Seriously. Take some time to actually think.

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

All fair comments. Though I am surprised that the NRA would hold a convention in a centre and state not allowing the presence of working guns. Kind of goes against what they are advocating for.

One would think the NRA would choose to positively impact a centre and state in line with their own philosophy.

[rushmc 23]

Actually
concealed personal weapons will not have the firing pin removed

they will remove them from the guns on the show floor.
they thought this to be prudent as thousands of people will handel them

And this is done at many large gun shows

They need only follow TN state and fed laws


Now, go get your knee(s) fixed

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

DanG

I thought only law abiding people would follow gun free zone signs, so gun free zones are ripe for mass shootings? That used to be the narrative. How will making the convention a gun free zone be any different?

the knees needing repair from this thread is extensive

You all should know better than to follow something like this that quickly

John, can you even walk?



http://bearingarms.com/nra-isnt-banning-carry-guns-convention/

God you anti gun nuts are funny




Not aimed at you Dan

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rehmwa 2]

SkyDekker

One would think that if one specific group should be trusted to be armed at a convention, it would be NRA members at their annual conference.

I suspect it's not the NRA that mandated this.

I suspect the building or center that is hosting it has their own rules and this is the only way the NRA can have their weapons there and still comply with the rules of their hosts.

The NRA does have this terrible history of following the law and also respecting the rules of private organizations. Unlike groups on the other side of the spectrum.


Edit: Lawrocket kinda beat me to this theme.....and Rush's note about it only applying to display weapons is another option..

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[rushmc 23]

rehmwa

***One would think that if one specific group should be trusted to be armed at a convention, it would be NRA members at their annual conference.

I suspect it's not the NRA that mandated this.

I suspect the building or center that is hosting it has their own rules and this is the only way the NRA can have their weapons there and still comply with the rules of their hosts.

The NRA does have this terrible history of following the law and also respecting the rules of private organizations. Unlike groups on the other side of the spectrum.

You got it right
They are following the rules of the center as well as state and fed laws

Damn law abiders

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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I suspect it's not the NRA that mandated this.

I suspect the building or center that is hosting it has their own rules and this is the only way the NRA can have their display weapons there and still comply with the rules of their hosts.

Or as rush sort of pointed out, a standard rule for these types of trade shows/conventions with that many people handling the guns. That would make sense to me.

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SkyDekker

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I suspect it's not the NRA that mandated this.

I suspect the building or center that is hosting it has their own rules and this is the only way the NRA can have their display weapons there and still comply with the rules of their hosts.

Or as rush sort of pointed out, a standard rule for these types of trade shows/conventions with that many people handling the guns. That would make sense to me.

yeah, I should have read the thread through.....both points were already covered and conceded....

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[rushmc 23]

funjumper101

The NRA can't trust their own highly trained members to handle guns correctly at a public event?

Guns belong everywhere, except their own convention. Really?

It would be really funny, except that it so hypocritical that it is nauseating.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

rushmc

Actually
concealed personal weapons will not have the firing pin removed

they will remove them from the guns on the show floor.
they thought this to be prudent as thousands of people will handel them

And this is done at many large gun shows

They need only follow TN state and fed laws


Now, go get your knee(s) fixed

And now....Handel away

[billvon 3,107]

>Removing firing pins from display weapons? Yeah. I'm sure you consider that to be a bad idea.

OK so it's a good idea to remove firing pins for safety. Let's extend that to guns in schools, where there HAVE been deadly shootings.

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billvon

>Removing firing pins from display weapons? Yeah. I'm sure you consider that to be a bad idea.

OK so it's a good idea to remove firing pins for safety. Let's extend that to guns in schools, where there HAVE been deadly shootings.

I agree - whenever the school decides to have an open gun show display for the kids to handle and learn about gun use and gun safety - that's a great idea.


I suspect, though, in that scenario, since guns are inherently evil just by existing, that the incidence of pistol whippings will increase dramatically during the event

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[DanG 1]

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The convention will not a 'gun free zone'. If you think there won't be ample LEO presence ready to respond....

I was responding to Hjeda's comment that it would be a fine place for a "lefty" to come in and shoot up the place.

Rendering display weapon's inert makes perfect sense.

- Dan G

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billvon

>Removing firing pins from display weapons? Yeah. I'm sure you consider that to be a bad idea.

OK so it's a good idea to remove firing pins for safety. Let's extend that to guns in schools, where there HAVE been deadly shootings.

It's not just firing pins that aren't allowed in schools but the whole gun. Hasn't worked.

I would think that a law that says that the firing pin must be removed before bringing a weapon on campus to kill people probably wouldn't be followed.

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[Glitch 0]

Actually, that was my comment... he just agreed with me. In actuality, you'd have to be more that a few french fries short of a happy meal to even consider that plan though.

You asked how making it a gun free zone would be different... I was commenting that it wouldn't be a free zone.

Removing the firing pins would reduce / eliminate accidental firings among the masses during handling... Every 3-5 persons present being armed eliminates / reduces nutters trying to shoot the place up. At a minimum it would reduce the casualty count.

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[billvon 3,107]

>It's not just firing pins that aren't allowed in schools but the whole gun. Hasn't worked.

But it will work at gun shows? Why the difference?

[champu 1]

Display models at gun shows, gun stores, and conventions like this have the firing pins removed and/or zip-ties through the action as a backup safety measure. People are likely to be handling firearms they are less familiar with (who would go to a gun show to look at guns they already own?) and, while the rules of gun safety should be followed to prevent accidents even with unfamiliar firearms, this serves as just one more backstop. It's similar to the practice of using chamber flags at a range when you're not shooting a particular firearm. It's there to prevent honest (however arguably stupid) mistakes.

As others have pointed out, this rule doesn't apply to personally owned firearms being carried in accordance with all applicable laws. This policy does not emulate gun free zone policies. Gun free zones are not about preventing honest (however arguably stupid) mistakes.