kallend 2,175 #1 April 8, 2015 What do our legal eagles think of this case? www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/07/in-an-iowa-courtroom-an-astonishing-case-of-sex-and-alzheimers/... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,600 #2 April 8, 2015 No legal eagle here, but it seems to show the depths to which angry families will descend, kind of like divorce and custody cases. Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #3 April 8, 2015 wmw999 No legal eagle here, but it seems to show the depths to which angry families will descend, kind of like divorce and custody cases. Wendy P. My wife is a geriatrician. She says much of the trouble around issues like this come from adult children by previous marriages.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SivaGanesha 2 #4 April 9, 2015 wmw999 No legal eagle here, but it seems to show the depths to which angry families will descend, kind of like divorce and custody cases. I believe that an angry family is part of the picture here, certainly. I also believe politics is another part of the story. The man who is charged was, until recently, a Republican lawmaker. The prosecutor who decided to proceed with charges is a Democratic appointee."It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #5 April 9, 2015 SivaGanesha ***No legal eagle here, but it seems to show the depths to which angry families will descend, kind of like divorce and custody cases. I believe that an angry family is part of the picture here, certainly. I also believe politics is another part of the story. The man who is charged was, until recently, a Republican lawmaker. The prosecutor who decided to proceed with charges is a Democratic appointee. My gut tells me that's not the main factor, although I'm not ignoring it. I suppose it may be relevant how much influence the ex-lawmaker continues to wield. I wouldn't discount the angry family factor too soon, though. Adult children of recently-widowed elderly parents often worry about their parent being exploited by the new spouse should he/she remarry, on multiple conceivable levels (financial, physical, emotional, etc.). Or, sometimes they just plain dislike the new stepparent, for whatever reason(s). I've seen and heard of that happening many times. This feels to me to be an offshoot of that dynamic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #6 April 9, 2015 QuoteWhen is a previously consenting spouse suffering from dementia no longer able to say yes to sex? A fascinating question. I've never had occasion to think about it in just that factual form before. Personally, I'll still need to ponder it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #7 April 9, 2015 Andy9o8QuoteWhen is a previously consenting spouse suffering from dementia no longer able to say yes to sex? A fascinating question. I've never had occasion to think about it in just that factual form before. Personally, I'll still need to ponder it. Well, when the doctors already inform you that she can't consent to sex, it's probably a good idea to keep your 80-year-old dick in your pants... ...but no, this guy just stops by for quickie, closes the curtain and bangs his wife out with another patient in the room and then just takes off after only visiting for 30 minutes - what a creep... I don't blame her daughters one bit...Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #8 April 9, 2015 Andy9o8 Quote When is a previously consenting spouse suffering from dementia no longer able to say yes to sex? A fascinating question. I've never had occasion to think about it in just that factual form before. Personally, I'll still need to ponder it. My wife the geriatrician reckons she'll sign a waiver in advance....... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #9 April 9, 2015 Coreeece***QuoteWhen is a previously consenting spouse suffering from dementia no longer able to say yes to sex? A fascinating question. I've never had occasion to think about it in just that factual form before. Personally, I'll still need to ponder it. Well, when the doctors already inform you that she can't consent to sex, it's probably a good idea to keep your 80-year-old dick in your pants... But remember the doctor only made this determination right after meeting with the daughter in the absence of the husband. Who knows if the daughter lied, as stepchildren with a grudge are prone to do.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #10 April 9, 2015 kallend******QuoteWhen is a previously consenting spouse suffering from dementia no longer able to say yes to sex? A fascinating question. I've never had occasion to think about it in just that factual form before. Personally, I'll still need to ponder it. Well, when the doctors already inform you that she can't consent to sex, it's probably a good idea to keep your 80-year-old dick in your pants... But remember the doctor only made this determination right after meeting with the daughter in the absence of the husband. Who knows if the daughter lied, as stepchildren with a grudge are prone to do. From the affidavit: Quote During an interview with a DCI Agent on June 12th, 2014, the Defendant admitted to having sexual contact with D.R. on May 23, 2014 and to having a copy of the documentation regarding D.R.'s inability to give consent due to her lack of cognitive ability.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #11 April 9, 2015 Coreeece*********QuoteWhen is a previously consenting spouse suffering from dementia no longer able to say yes to sex? A fascinating question. I've never had occasion to think about it in just that factual form before. Personally, I'll still need to ponder it. Well, when the doctors already inform you that she can't consent to sex, it's probably a good idea to keep your 80-year-old dick in your pants... But remember the doctor only made this determination right after meeting with the daughter in the absence of the husband. Who knows if the daughter lied, as stepchildren with a grudge are prone to do. From the affidavit: Quote During an interview with a DCI Agent on June 12th, 2014, the Defendant admitted to having sexual contact with D.R. on May 23, 2014 and to having a copy of the documentation regarding D.R.'s inability to give consent due to her lack of cognitive ability. How does that contradict what I wrote?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #12 April 9, 2015 kallend************QuoteWhen is a previously consenting spouse suffering from dementia no longer able to say yes to sex? A fascinating question. I've never had occasion to think about it in just that factual form before. Personally, I'll still need to ponder it. Well, when the doctors already inform you that she can't consent to sex, it's probably a good idea to keep your 80-year-old dick in your pants... But remember the doctor only made this determination right after meeting with the daughter in the absence of the husband. Who knows if the daughter lied, as stepchildren with a grudge are prone to do. From the affidavit: Quote During an interview with a DCI Agent on June 12th, 2014, the Defendant admitted to having sexual contact with D.R. on May 23, 2014 and to having a copy of the documentation regarding D.R.'s inability to give consent due to her lack of cognitive ability. How does that contradict what I wrote? My bad, It doesn't... ..but it should be noted that even if the daughter lied to the doctors/staff, they still had almost two months of observation on which to base the determination.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #13 April 9, 2015 Coreeece *** Quote When is a previously consenting spouse suffering from dementia no longer able to say yes to sex? A fascinating question. I've never had occasion to think about it in just that factual form before. Personally, I'll still need to ponder it. Well, when the doctors already inform you that she can't consent to sex, it's probably a good idea to keep your 80-year-old dick in your pants... ...but no, this guy just stops by for quickie, closes the curtain and bangs his wife out with another patient in the room and then just takes off after only visiting for 30 minutes - what a creep... I don't blame her daughters one bit... He banged her for 30-minutes? Damn! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #14 April 9, 2015 masterrig ****** Quote When is a previously consenting spouse suffering from dementia no longer able to say yes to sex? A fascinating question. I've never had occasion to think about it in just that factual form before. Personally, I'll still need to ponder it. Well, when the doctors already inform you that she can't consent to sex, it's probably a good idea to keep your 80-year-old dick in your pants... ...but no, this guy just stops by for quickie, closes the curtain and bangs his wife out with another patient in the room and then just takes off after only visiting for 30 minutes - what a creep... I don't blame her daughters one bit... He banged her for 30-minutes? Damn! Chuck I'm starting to feel a bit uncomfortable with my description... Suffice it to say that if I thought there was a possibility of the family reading these posts, I probably would've been a bit more sensitive in my phrasing...Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #15 April 9, 2015 QuoteIn May, Dunshee and Donna’s other daughter, Suzan Brunes, met with Concord staff and drew up a care plan for Donna, according to a state affidavit. At the meeting, the women and doctors concluded that Donna was no longer able to consent to sex, a fact Rayhons was informed of. Does anyone else find it strange that her sex life was discussed in the meeting? Doubt the doctors brought it up.Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #16 April 9, 2015 Coreeece ********* Quote When is a previously consenting spouse suffering from dementia no longer able to say yes to sex? A fascinating question. I've never had occasion to think about it in just that factual form before. Personally, I'll still need to ponder it. Well, when the doctors already inform you that she can't consent to sex, it's probably a good idea to keep your 80-year-old dick in your pants... ...but no, this guy just stops by for quickie, closes the curtain and bangs his wife out with another patient in the room and then just takes off after only visiting for 30 minutes - what a creep... I don't blame her daughters one bit... He banged her for 30-minutes? Damn! Chuck I'm starting to feel a bit uncomfortable with my description... Suffice it to say that if I thought there was a possibility of the family reading these posts, I probably would've been a bit more sensitive in my phrasing... The way you worded it just struck me as being funny. I'm not very 'PC', anyhow. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #17 April 9, 2015 Bolas***In May, Dunshee and Donna’s other daughter, Suzan Brunes, met with Concord staff and drew up a care plan for Donna, according to a state affidavit. At the meeting, the women and doctors concluded that Donna was no longer able to consent to sex, a fact Rayhons was informed of. Does anyone else find it strange that her sex life was discussed in the meeting? Doubt the doctors brought it up.[/quote I doubt they did too. I guess, the kids still fee the idea of their mom having sex is yucky. Good Lord! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #18 April 9, 2015 masterrig***In May, Dunshee and Donna’s other daughter, Suzan Brunes, met with Concord staff and drew up a care plan for Donna, according to a state affidavit. At the meeting, the women and doctors concluded that Donna was no longer able to consent to sex, a fact Rayhons was informed of. Does anyone else find it strange that her sex life was discussed in the meeting? Doubt the doctors brought it up.[/quote I doubt they did too. I guess, the kids still fee the idea of their mom having sex is yucky. Good Lord! Chuck As I wrote previously, my wife is a geriatrician and she says adult children DO have this idea that their parents should be asexual. My wife also says that the elderly and even Alzheimers are frequently still very interested in sex, despite what their children may think.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #19 April 9, 2015 kallend******In May, Dunshee and Donna’s other daughter, Suzan Brunes, met with Concord staff and drew up a care plan for Donna, according to a state affidavit. At the meeting, the women and doctors concluded that Donna was no longer able to consent to sex, a fact Rayhons was informed of. Does anyone else find it strange that her sex life was discussed in the meeting? Doubt the doctors brought it up.[/quote I doubt they did too. I guess, the kids still fee the idea of their mom having sex is yucky. Good Lord! Chuck As I wrote previously, my wife is a geriatrician and she says adult children DO have this idea that their parents should be asexual. My wife also says that the elderly and even Alzheimers are frequently still very interested in sex, despite what their children may think. I had a doctor tell me once that the human 'sex drive' is the last thing to go. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #20 April 10, 2015 I recuse myself from this case and rescind my judgement...apparently they both had dementia: QuoteReger asked about their sex life. “It was not a regular thing,” Rayhons told the agent. At his age, he said, “you forget about that stuff and you just want togetherness.” He said Donna on occasion asked for sex by saying, “Shall we play a little bit?” He said he “never touched her when she didn’t want it and I only tried to fulfill her need when she asked for it.” Reger pressed him about the evening of May 23. Rayhons said he couldn’t remember being in Donna’s room. After suggesting that tiny video cameras had captured Rayhons having sex with Donna, Reger asked if Rayhons had placed his penis inside his wife. Rayhons said, “I would guess … if … if that’s what you’re saying, yeah.” The state hasn’t produced evidence thus far of videos taken in the room. Rayhons acknowledged seeing the document asserting that Donna couldn’t consent to sex. Then he argued with Reger about whether she could. “She still asks for it,” Rayhons said, and the agent replied, “I know that she didn’t ask for it that night, okay?” After letting Reger take DNA swabs of his mouth, Rayhons said, “I don’t remember having sex in that room with her. I really do not.” After the agent left, Rayhons drove his black Cadillac to son Dale’s house in Forest City, 13 miles away. Dale recalls his father as upset and confused: “He said, ‘I don’t know what just happened.’” Furthermore: QuoteThe state crime lab completed Donna’s rape test Nov. 20. It took six months to process because of a backlog at the lab. The exam showed no evidence of seminal fluid or DNA other than Donna’s on swabs of her mouth and vagina. A stain in her underwear “indicated the presence of seminal fluid; however, no spermatozoa were microscopically identified,” the two-page lab report said. Man, the more I read, the more I feel like I'm the one with dementia...wtf?Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #21 April 10, 2015 Uh-oh, John! Underweight people face significantly higher risk of dementia, study suggests Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #22 April 13, 2015 I'd be interested to know whether the new husband will be inheriting anything from his widow. If so, that likely plays into the actions of her children. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
